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Can a Hillary supporter offer a good excuse why - 2/25/2008 3:21:42 PM   
OrionTheWolf


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Status: offline 		Can one of the Hillary supporters please stand up and explain why this kind of behavior is acceptable to you http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080225/cm_thenation/45290136

Especially when they are playing on a false rumor that some ignorant people still believe http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

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RE: Can a Hillary supporter offer a good excuse why - 2/25/2008 3:23:44 PM   
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Can one of the Hillary supporters please stand up and explain why this kind of behavior is acceptable to you http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080225/cm_thenation/45290136

Especially when they are playing on a false rumor that some ignorant people still believe http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp


You ask the impossible. Billary supports can't explain that anymore than they can explain why they feel she's the better choice (because she isn't.)

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RE: Can a Hillary supporter offer a good excuse why - 2/25/2008 3:28:34 PM   
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RE: Can a Hillary supporter offer a good excuse why - 2/25/2008 3:37:06 PM   
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RE: Can a Hillary supporter offer a good excuse why - 2/25/2008 3:39:03 PM   
Alumbrado


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RE: Can a Hillary supporter offer a good excuse why - 2/25/2008 3:40:03 PM   
Smith117


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I smell desperation...


Me too, it smells vaguely of water and vinegar and a slight 'floral' essence.

It's funny how she calls Obama a liar with his mailings, considering that the mailings said the exact same thing as the words that came out of her own mouth during the Texas debate on CNN.

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RE: Can a Hillary supporter offer a good excuse why - 2/25/2008 4:13:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hillary is on her way to obscurity.  I don't agree with Obama on the overwhelming majority of issues, but I fucking love him.  I can't help feeling all warm and fuzzy when I see Hillary resorting to this kind of shit.  She is showing her true colors.  I hope Obama wipes the floor with her next week in Texas and Ohio. 

Bye Bye Bill and Hill. 

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RE: Can a Hillary supporter offer a good excuse why - 2/25/2008 4:14:52 PM   
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Hillary is on her way to obscurity.  I don't agree with Obama on the overwhelming majority of issues, but I fucking love him.  I can't help feeling all warm and fuzzy when I see Hillary resorting to this kind of shit.  She is showing her true colors.  I hope Obama wipes the floor with her next week in Texas and Ohio. 

Bye Bye Bill and Hill. 


I just hung up on a recorded phone call advertising Billary. I'm thinking "Geee which candidate am I going for, the one who leaves me the hell alone or the one who ignores that this number is on the DO NOT CALL list and calls me anyway with some lame-ass recording?"

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RE: Can a Hillary supporter offer a good excuse why - 2/25/2008 4:45:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is pretty disgusting on Hillary's part.

Still, I'm trying to avoid beating her over it as I'm afraid it'll matyr her.  Can a matyr be a matyr if they richly deserved their political death?  I don't know, but I'm afraid it might happen.

Hillary was the first lady for eight years and she was rather politically active.  So, even if she's a snake, she does have enough backing that I'd fear a sympathetic backlash (particularly as she has played the gender card at points) if she were brought down too far.

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RE: Can a Hillary supporter offer a good excuse why - 2/25/2008 5:14:27 PM   
cyberdude611


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Status: offline 		Too late...Obama is already been made into a martyr because of his cult-following....

You can't look at the guy crosseyed without being publically based. He can do no wrong.

Like I said....you all will be sorry when he gets in and millions die because he hasn't a damn clue what he's going to do.

This quote from Hillary says it all....and it's the truth....
“Now I could stand up here and say, let’s get everybody together, let’s get unified the sky will open, the light will come down, celestial choirs will be singing,” she said, to a smattering of giggles. “And everyone will know we should do the right thing, and the world will be perfect.”
She added: “But I have no illusions about how hard this is going to be. You are not going to wave a magic wand and make the special interests disappear.”

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RE: Can a Hillary supporter offer a good excuse why - 2/25/2008 5:31:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wonder, if Obama's elected, how would he do?  How would his relative lack of experience work?

I'm rather well aware that people gain skills at very different rates.  It's entirely possible that Obama may yet be more practical than Hillary in other respects.  I mean, hell, he's certainly shown his prowless in gaining popularity against an already-powerful figurehead who had a strong starting basis and the supposedly priceless experience behind her.

It's kind of a moot point for my own voting.  There's no way I'd vote for someone I see as distasteful as Hillary has presented herself; I'd happily default to McCain.  But, it's still an interesting thing to think about.

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RE: Can a Hillary supporter offer a good excuse why - 2/25/2008 5:45:13 PM   
Alumbrado


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Status: offline 		What has my attention is that this presents the possibility of a reform in tactics....Hillary and everyone else uses mud slinging (while promising not to), rumor, innuendo, and 'dirty tricks'; because they work...nice guys have been finishing last for quite a while...

If they can't make campaigning-as-usual work against Obama, there might be hope for us yet.  Then all we would have to do is to get people to see past the Good Haircuts.

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RE: Can a Hillary supporter offer a good excuse why - 2/25/2008 5:47:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know.  We may never know who is responsible for that.  And we may never know who is responsible for spreading things about her, or any any of the other candidates. I have come across some pretty rediculous pictures of her as well, as of the one of the guy who sits in the White House now.

I like Hilary, but with Obama's followers around, it is almost like I have to hide that fact.  She is gutsy, knows how to go after what she believes in & wants.  She has been fire tested & come through each with her head held high.  She can be tenacious, & gracious.  She has the experience & I believe her to be tough enough to withstand the global political climate we live in today.  I have grave misgivings about Obama & what he can accomplish other than words that incite or excite people.  Look at all the people that thought some of our greatest preachers of our generation were perfect.  They were great speakers with the following of many, many people.  And yet, when it came right down to it, they were just as susceptible to the temptations of our world as anyone else.  Obama has not been tested with any kind of fire from what I have been able to tell.  There is something about him I just don't trust on a gut level.  Maybe it is his inexperience.  I just don't know & can't put my finger on it. 

I think he would make a great vice president.  If he could prove himself in that capacity, I might be inclined to vote for him in a different election.  I don't think I would be able to vote for him for this one, which if he wins the democratic nomination leaves me & a few others without many choices.   At least McCain has shown & proven his love for our country.  I would hate to vote for a Republican, but it may come down to it at election time.


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RE: Can a Hillary supporter offer a good excuse why - 2/25/2008 5:55:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think Clinton was a great president. I am sure his wife helped him a lot! I mean, what a great presidency, what an absurd buffoon!

Nader seems ok to me though. Or Chuck Norris. He'd sort it out.

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RE: Can a Hillary supporter offer a good excuse why - 2/25/2008 6:11:36 PM   
cyberdude611


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Status: offline 		Do we even know that Hillary leaked that photo of Obama wearing that costume?

A lot of this could have been from the McCain campaign.

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RE: Can a Hillary supporter offer a good excuse why - 2/25/2008 6:13:11 PM   
thickerdenwater


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Status: offline 		IMO bill clinton was an awesome pres, but hill-dog still has that snuke in her and shes been running one of the most absurd campaigns ive ever seen. to be honest, im surprised she hasnt bowed out with all the shenanagans shes been using. everything to date screams big brother, and dirty tricks.

on another not, id rather have lack of experience and honesty, rather then to much experience and corruption.


and I second chuck norris.

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RE: Can a Hillary supporter offer a good excuse why - 2/25/2008 6:45:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Can one of the Hillary supporters please stand up and explain why this kind of behavior is acceptable to you http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080225/cm_thenation/45290136

Especially when they are playing on a false rumor that some ignorant people still believe http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp


This story first circulated via a right-wing email smear campaign, as my colleague Chris Hayes documented, but has since taken on a life of its own, spawning more and more fantastic conspiracies about Obama.


"via a right-wing email smear campaign, "
 
Nuff said....

(Matt)"Drudge says he received the photo from "Clinton staffers."

Anyone who thinks Drudge is impartial is a dummy or a right-winger.Either way he`s full of shit.

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RE: Can a Hillary supporter offer a good excuse why - 2/25/2008 6:48:17 PM   
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Like I said....you all will be sorry when he gets in and millions die because he hasn't a damn clue what he's going to do.



Spoken like a true smear-campaign manager. He's already united the country against Billary. Even the right wing talk hosts are supporting HER because they know McCain will destroy her in the election and they know Obama will destroy McCain with ease. First time I've ever heard a right-wing host praise a dem.

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This quote from Hillary says it all....and it's the truth....
“Now I could stand up here and say, let’s get everybody together, let’s get unified the sky will open, the light will come down, celestial choirs will be singing,” she said, to a smattering of giggles. “And everyone will know we should do the right thing, and the world will be perfect.”
She added: “But I have no illusions about how hard this is going to be. You are not going to wave a magic wand and make the special interests disappear.”



Actually what it says is that she's a petty, sarcastic little person who actually believes mocking someone is the way to win a campaign. It also says that's a moronic, literal idiot if she actually believes that Obama believes like she is saying. Obama has on more than one occasion said he knows it will be hard. But that the FIRST STEP is getting everyone together. She doesn't see this. And that is why she will fail.

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RE: Can a Hillary supporter offer a good excuse why - 2/25/2008 7:35:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I checked your link and then did some more digging. There is nothing that proves it is from the right, and the link I posted at least provides someone that will at least say where they received it. In politics you can never know but the Clintons have been using these kinds of tactics against Obama since he became a big threat to them.

I am waiting to see what Obama does, and I will be taking his measure when he goes up against McCain. This is one independent that will likely vote for him, if my choice is between him and McCain. I do not agree with his stance on all of the issues, but he appears to have a lot less double talk than the regular politicians. I am tired of business as usual politics, and if it takes Obama to shake things up, even if we suffer for four years, I believe this country is in need of a shake up.


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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Can one of the Hillary supporters please stand up and explain why this kind of behavior is acceptable to you http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080225/cm_thenation/45290136

Especially when they are playing on a false rumor that some ignorant people still believe http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp


This story first circulated via a right-wing email smear campaign, as my colleague Chris Hayes documented, but has since taken on a life of its own, spawning more and more fantastic conspiracies about Obama.


"via a right-wing email smear campaign, "
 
Nuff said....

(Matt)"Drudge says he received the photo from "Clinton staffers."

Anyone who thinks Drudge is impartial is a dummy or a right-winger.Either way he`s full of shit.


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RE: Can a Hillary supporter offer a good excuse why - 2/25/2008 8:16:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have no doubt that Hillary's team put this out.  When asked, they would neither deny or confirm it.  They also tried to spin it, and say that Obama shouldn't be ashamed of wearing traditional Somali garb.  In effect, they were essentially calling him a bigot for expressing disgust with their tactic. 

Like I said, I am not surprised that Hillary would stoop this low.  If she thought it would get votes, she would have a man in black face tap dance across the stage mocking Obama's idealistic catch phrases to the tune of 'Mammy'.  That's what you get from low-down, bottom feeding scumbags like the Clintons. 

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