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crouchingtigress -> Do we have the right to ask..... (2/24/2008 12:36:33 PM)
not just for our dream bdsm life partner, and or bdsm play situation/s. but also for the dream job, dream house, dream life? why or why not?

wh0recristina -> RE: Do we have the right to ask..... (2/24/2008 12:40:38 PM)
I believe we do. It's that whole "pursuit of happiness" thing. The world and people around us will often times make harder. But we always have the right to ask for our dreams....as long as WE are willing to work for them and take risks for them.

Justme696 -> RE: Do we have the right to ask..... (2/24/2008 12:41:20 PM)
asking...yes..dreaming yes... better have wishes..then rot away in sadness

DesFIP -> RE: Do we have the right to ask..... (2/24/2008 12:42:27 PM)
Of course, as long as we accept that to get them requires work and trade off. For example if you want a job that you travel all over the world with, then accept that you won't also be home raising offspring. And that you can't have a pet at the same time. Plus you may have to accept two years of working other jobs while going to school at night to qualify for your dream job.

Padriag -> RE: Do we have the right to ask..... (2/24/2008 12:45:41 PM)
We have the "right" to anything we can achieve or acquire by our own means, and we may keep anything we can secure by our own means. Such are the only real rights any of us has. All else are merely privileges extended by our society, our government, our family or other such groups... and may be taken away by them just as easily as they were granted. There are a great many things I want... and I don't ask for them, I pursue them and work for them. What of them I will have, is entirely up to me. I do not ask, because I do not expect anyone to give me anything. I will take what is mine, and it is mine precisely because I can take it and keep it. But then I always saw the world through a harsher view...

crouchingtigress -> RE: Do we have the right to ask..... (2/24/2008 12:47:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: wh0recristina I believe we do. It's that whole "pursuit of happiness" thing. The world and people around us will often times make harder. But we always have the right to ask for our dreams....as long as WE are willing to work for them and take risks for them. welcome to the fora whaorechristina...if you dont mind i would like to probe some more if i may who are you asking? what risks are you willing to take?

crouchingtigress -> RE: Do we have the right to ask..... (2/24/2008 12:48:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Justme696 asking...yes..dreaming yes... better have wishes..then rot away in sadness thank you for the reply justme, mind if i ask who are you asking? and what does asking look like to you?

Constrictor1 -> RE: Do we have the right to ask..... (2/24/2008 12:49:31 PM)
I am not trying to sound arrogant or cocky, but I have almost everything you ask. I work for myself from home as a craftsman in a specialty industry, I have a wonderful and giving/loving slave of over 2 years now, and I just bought a HUGE victorian house that will be renovated over the next few years to include everything I want, including large private play area. The only thing missing is the third that we both seek. So to answer your question....YES we have the right to expect these things. Settling for less would be anathema to me. Just my feelings Constrictor

crouchingtigress -> RE: Do we have the right to ask..... (2/24/2008 12:50:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP Of course, as long as we accept that to get them requires work and trade off. For example if you want a job that you travel all over the world with, then accept that you won't also be home raising offspring. And that you can't have a pet at the same time. Plus you may have to accept two years of working other jobs while going to school at night to qualify for your dream job. celeste you make great points, do you think it is too much to ask for all of the above, and that some how there would be a way to have the core needs of say travel, with kids, and dogs possible...is there such a thing as asking for too much?

SirJohnMandevill -> RE: Do we have the right to ask..... (2/24/2008 12:50:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress not just for our dream bdsm life partner, and or bdsm play situation/s. but also for the dream job, dream house, dream life? why or why not? Ask whom? Everyone is responsible for their own actions. To get your dream anything, D/s-related or otherwise, you have to be willing to take the actions that will get you there. Les (Purveyor of Fine, Handcrafted Kink)

crouchingtigress -> RE: Do we have the right to ask..... (2/24/2008 12:55:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Padriag We have the "right" to anything we can achieve or acquire by our own means, and we may keep anything we can secure by our own means. Such are the only real rights any of us has. All else are merely privileges extended by our society, our government, our family or other such groups... and may be taken away by them just as easily as they were granted. There are a great many things I want... and I don't ask for them, I pursue them and work for them. What of them I will have, is entirely up to me. I do not ask, because I do not expect anyone to give me anything. I will take what is mine, and it is mine precisely because I can take it and keep it. But then I always saw the world through a harsher view... very interesting...not nessasarily "a harsher veiw"...but one that echos the values of og the industrial age...one where man is self suffcient and has to work hard for everything in his life.... i dont judge that view point but it intriques me to ask....does that veiw always serve you? do you turn down gift horses because they come easliy?

Don29 -> RE: Do we have the right to ask..... (2/24/2008 12:56:43 PM)
Hi crouchingtigress. Your question has the potential to produce circular answers! Literally, yes of course, we have the right to ask for these things you speak of. But we're not entitled to them!

crouchingtigress -> RE: Do we have the right to ask..... (2/24/2008 12:58:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SirJohnMandevill quote: ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress not just for our dream bdsm life partner, and or bdsm play situation/s. but also for the dream job, dream house, dream life? why or why not? Ask whom? Everyone is responsible for their own actions. To get your dream anything, D/s-related or otherwise, you have to be willing to take the actions that will get you there. Les (Purveyor of Fine, Handcrafted Kink) its intereesting that you picked up on part of the debate i was having in my head...are we asking ourselves? god? the universe? and what is it about asking that is more powerful then demanding...? or is it?

TracyTaken -> RE: Do we have the right to ask..... (2/24/2008 12:59:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SirJohnMandevill Ask whom? That was gonna be my answer. [:)] Maybe "ask" means "expect it of life"? I can't remember the exact quote, but it came from a person in a third-world country: "Do you realize that Americans are the only people in the world who 'expect' to be happy?" I don't think it's exclusive to the US, but it makes me wonder if the expectation of happiness leads to more happiness or more unhappiness. It also makes me think of another quote (again, can't remember): "You can have anything you want. You just can't everything you want." I think people have the right to hope for whatever they please.

crouchingtigress -> RE: Do we have the right to ask..... (2/24/2008 1:00:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Constrictor1 I am not trying to sound arrogant or cocky, but I have almost everything you ask. I work for myself from home as a craftsman in a specialty industry, I have a wonderful and giving/loving slave of over 2 years now, and I just bought a HUGE victorian house that will be renovated over the next few years to include everything I want, including large private play area. The only thing missing is the third that we both seek. So to answer your question....YES we have the right to expect these things. Settling for less would be anathema to me. Just my feelings Constrictor i hear that....and i would ask....are you done asking? is there anything else you want? what about the end of the war in iraq? do you have the right to ask for that too?

Redoubt -> RE: Do we have the right to ask..... (2/24/2008 1:11:45 PM)
I think we have every right to strive for whatever it is that makes life work for us. If that is holding out until we meet the perfect mate, then so be it. Regretably, most people who desperately want to find that dream partner are either lonely and waiting, or even worse "settle" for "Mr. Right now" but keep looking for Mr. Right while with them. Now, I don't feel like there is anything wrong with letting a potential "Right Now" partner, that you intend to keep searching - hence the casual and "play partner" relationships you see offered and pursued here. However, to not let that person know up front that they are merely someone to keep you company and could be dropped later for something better is pretty rehensible - it stops them from meeting somebody who would be compatible with them as a mate, not as a stepping stone. However if both parties understand that the relationship is transitionary from the start, then no harm, no foul.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Do we have the right to ask..... (2/24/2008 1:19:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress not just for our dream bdsm life partner, and or bdsm play situation/s. but also for the dream job, dream house, dream life? why or why not? The Parable of the Talents Not only is it right we ask, it is necessary that we ask for--and pursue--our dreams. Take what you have, and pursue what you desire. This is the life well lived.

crouchingtigress -> RE: Do we have the right to ask..... (2/24/2008 1:21:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Don29 Hi crouchingtigress. Your question has the potential to produce circular answers! Literally, yes of course, we have the right to ask for these things you speak of. But we're not entitled to them! Hi Don welcom to the fora! your question inspires me too....what if anything are we entiled to?

Constrictor1 -> RE: Do we have the right to ask..... (2/24/2008 1:23:01 PM)
No crouching I am never done asking. I do however try to be realistic in my asking. Not a rebuff. I still want more success for myself ,my business, my slave. I am also willing to work very hard at acheiving these "questions." As for those things that I cannot control, alzheimers, war in Iraq, world peace, etc... I have strong opinions that I try to voice every election year or when people look for donations for worthy causes. We occasionally play a game at the house. the questions are interesting for the insights they provide. I was asked that if I had magical abilities what is the first thing I would do? My immediate answer was to eliminate all the stupid people on earth by translating them to a different dimension. So again no I am not done asking[;)] Constrictor

ownedgirlie -> RE: Do we have the right to ask..... (2/24/2008 1:23:27 PM)
Amy, CM does not want me to reply to your thread! This is my third attempt (the first two booted me). Hopefully it will post this time :) I believe in the Law of Attraction, and we attract things to us according to our mindset. Someone who is always paranoid about getting cheated is, in my opinion, more likely to get cheated. Someone always worrying about being sick will probably get sick more, etc. Having said that, I do ask myself to allow good things to come to me. I also ask myself if I'm willing to do the work to attract and attain good things. I found that once I became open to goodness, I was overwhelmed by it. You bet we have a right to ask. But we also benefit from shaping our minds to receive.

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