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The Beginning of the Depression : Americans now living ... - 2/2/2008 2:18:56 AM

nouveauboy

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I read this article and was really suprised. Is this isolated or is it happening elsewhere in the US?

http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd338.htm

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RE: The Beginning of the Depression : Americans now liv... - 2/2/2008 2:34:47 AM

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Speaking as an outsider I always thought that extremes of poverty have long been present in the US.
Hollywood type imagery and a compliant mass media in general usually ignore it. .

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RE: The Beginning of the Depression : Americans now liv... - 2/2/2008 5:34:43 AM

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I do believe it is not so dissimilar here, those that lose everything end up living on the streets.The only thing that prevents 'tent cities' is our laws, which the police seem all to keen to enforce, especially when wealthy and influential nimby's start flapping their lips.

At one time land was available, common land I think for people to stay, but that has long gone.

Here it would seem if you cannot afford bricks and mortar and there rents and mortgages, you are not wanted and have no place in society.

Housing problems for the poor could be alleviated with housing that is not bricks and mortar, in fact the Scandinavian wooden pre assembled houses are far cheaper to buy, quicker to get living in and thermally more efficient than bricks and mortar, yet no one is keen to allow their construction.

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RE: The Beginning of the Depression : Americans now liv... - 2/2/2008 5:43:43 AM

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I saw an article on BBC a while ago about the housing situation in the U.S. being equaled to third world nations, and I can see how easily one could become homeless here. If your credit has a blemish on it, it's hard to even get a decent apartment, and a house is leagues away.
While we are being paid in paper and private hands turn it out, then we shall always be workers just slightly about a slave class, if not unknowingly in it. We must return to the gold standard. Pay me in silver and bronze and gold, if the govt. fails, at least I will still have something to my name.

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RE: The Beginning of the Depression : Americans now liv... - 2/2/2008 5:45:18 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Housing problems for the poor could be alleviated with housing that is not bricks and mortar, in fact the Scandinavian wooden pre assembled houses are far cheaper to buy, quicker to get living in and thermally more efficient than bricks and mortar, yet no one is keen to allow their construction.

Congrats on your 666th post by the way!

When during the late 80s/early 90s housing bubble, I looked at buying a wood built home I found the problem was that one could not get a mortgage on them.

The cynic in me might believe this is the reason for their rejection as an option to solve our problems - The City wouldnt like it if they didnt get their cut.

E

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RE: The Beginning of the Depression : Americans now liv... - 2/2/2008 7:05:09 AM

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Yes, ever since I worked as an architectural technician on a YTS scheme, I have been seriously impressed with Scandinavian houses and hey, though they be wooden, they are regularly weartherproofed. They burn well, yes, well so does modern timber frame constructed houses with brick skins, last I heard, 6 minutes from a sofa fire to a burnt out shell.

They do not need damp courses (and there avoid cowboy builders drilling and injecting water into the brick), they are raised off of the ground. I would think the construction is similar to those found in the US.

I too could not get a mortgage for a ScandiaHus. I could for a unmodernised damp, mouldy, dingy mid terrace in the suburb of Manchester but that is of no interest to me, as I could have had a timber house in a woodland.

It is wrong non bricks and mortar homes are so maligned by the financiers, if they had adopted a more relaxed attitude, we might not have so much of the homlessness here as people could have bought within their means, a timber house like a prefab being lesser than bricks and mortar, but still a home for someone.

As to America's problem, I was watching ' Hard Talk ' this morning on BBC1, and there an article whereby some researchers were trucking across America with and in search of the Common man, the standard American citizen. Wherever the waggon stopped, people in diners and truck stops interviewed as to what they feel was happening and where America is going. The overall impression is the American people are spending more than they have, racking up credit debts some of which the elderly people interviewed admitted they have no hope of repaying, Why, because they can.

Very much the same here!

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RE: The Beginning of the Depression : Americans now liv... - 2/2/2008 7:14:26 AM

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--the tents are an exxagerration.

the site is moody- there are poor people-

in my day to day the most i see is one homeless - our small shelter is nowhere near full.

---oh on the debt- that is REAL. and it will be our downfall and soon. cookoo is right on ...

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RE: The Beginning of the Depression : Americans now liv... - 2/2/2008 7:26:11 AM

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The programme went further to suggest that the weak dollar is increasing exports to the country in that American truck transport was a cheap option to transport goods and that Americans were buying more foreign goods with borrowed money.

The fault of all this both here and America, I place at the foot of the financial institutions and their greed. My making credit easy for all, they have created the problem.

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RE: The Beginning of the Depression : Americans now liv... - 2/2/2008 7:31:42 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin

The programme went further to suggest that the weak dollar is increasing exports to the country in that American truck transport was a cheap option to transport goods and that Americans were buying more foreign goods with borrowed money.

The fault of all this both here and America, I place at the foot of the financial institutions and their greed. My making credit easy for all, they have created the problem.

There is an issue that will take some time to resolve, there are american goods out there that were wholesaled at the higher price, and are no longer a good deal, but the merchants, unless they can get some relief from the american manufacturers for goods already purchased are going to be unwilling to buy more at the lower price.

Yeah, americans know borrowing to the hilt to address your other statement.

Rock and hard place.

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RE: The Beginning of the Depression : Americans now liv... - 2/2/2008 12:43:35 PM

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Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me: I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

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RE: The Beginning of the Depression : Americans now liv... - 2/2/2008 1:19:24 PM

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CHICAGO

Hog Butcher for the World,
Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat,
Player with Railroads and the Nation's Freight Handler;
Stormy, husky, brawling,
City of the Big Shoulders:

They tell me you are wicked and I believe them, for I
have seen your painted women under the gas lamps
luring the farm boys.
And they tell me you are crooked and I answer: Yes, it
is true I have seen the gunman kill and go free to
kill again.
And they tell me you are brutal and my reply is: On the
faces of women and children I have seen the marks
of wanton hunger.
And having answered so I turn once more to those who
sneer at this my city, and I give them back the sneer
and say to them:
Come and show me another city with lifted head singing
so proud to be alive and coarse and strong and cunning.
Flinging magnetic curses amid the toil of piling job on
job, here is a tall bold slugger set vivid against the
little soft cities;

Fierce as a dog with tongue lapping for action, cunning
as a savage pitted against the wilderness,
Bareheaded,
Shoveling,
Wrecking,
Planning,
Building, breaking, rebuilding,
Under the smoke, dust all over his mouth, laughing with
white teeth,
Under the terrible burden of destiny laughing as a young
man laughs,
Laughing even as an ignorant fighter laughs who has
never lost a battle,
Bragging and laughing that under his wrist is the pulse.
and under his ribs the heart of the people,
Laughing!
Laughing the stormy, husky, brawling laughter of
Youth, half-naked, sweating, proud to be Hog
Butcher, Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat, Player with
Railroads and Freight Handler to the Nation.

Carl Sandburg

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RE: The Beginning of the Depression : Americans now liv... - 2/2/2008 5:25:28 PM

GoddessDustyGold

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quote:

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--the tents are an exxagerration.

the site is moody- there are poor people-

And we will always have some poor. But I would not go so far as to say the tents are an exaggeration. There is a picture, after all.

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in my day to day the most i see is one homeless - our small shelter is nowhere near full.

That's because they all moved here. Better weather overall, ya know, if you have to be out on the streets.

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---oh on the debt- that is REAL. and it will be our downfall and soon. cookoo is right on ...

So I have to wonder why you are throwing your support to one of the Dem candidates? They are all going to do the same thing...raise taxes, continue to mis-spend the money, and continue to borrow from the Fed.
Why would you not at least look further into what it being said and linked and investigate Dr. Ron Paul as a viable candidate?

Otherwise, pahunk, you are just going along with the program or holding out false hope that something miraculous is going to turn this whole mess around.

*Edited for tags

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RE: The Beginning of the Depression : Americans now liv... - 2/2/2008 5:31:05 PM

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quote:

So I have to wonder why you are throwing your support to one of the Dem candidates? They are all going to do the same thing...raise taxes, continue to mis-spend the money, and continue to borrow from the Fed.
Why would you not at least look further into what it being said and linked and investigate Dr. Ron Paul as a viable candidate?

Otherwise, pahunk, you are just going along with the program or holding out false hope that something miraculous is going to turn this whole mess around.

Did you have the goddamn unmitigated gall to say that Dusty?

the war put us how far into debt and where is Bin Laden. I have repeatedly shown by the governments own reckoning that republicans spend more than democrats and dont pay for it,

Dr. Ron Paul cannot get a bill thru congress, he is an impossible dream. He is far from what he says he is. Lyndon LaRouche is far more stable than this prick.

Enough,
Ron

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RE: The Beginning of the Depression : Americans now liv... - 2/2/2008 5:39:18 PM

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Interesting article, noveau!
I suspect it is happening on small scales in several places. But people don't want to look at it just yet, since it hasn't seriously affected them...YET!
I am virtually positive that we will have a Dem taking the Oath of Office come January, 2009. So the question will be, shall we call them Clintondales or Baraktowns? (A play on the hoovervilles of the great depression). Of course I know that all the blame will be placed on GW, even though all he has done (not to My liking at all) was go along with the status quo and spend money we did not have on useless projects we did not need. Both parties disgust Me. And the McCaniacs will have a hard time getting John-boy elected since too many of us will be voting with a write-in or for an Independant.
It's time for America to wake up and be Americans. That means being responsible and bearing up under the brunt of what's to come. We can either hit hard times that will not go away while we move to our personal "hoovervilles", or we can try to put someone in office who will take a hard line, but start to get this country back on the right track. And if we have to do without for a time and figure out another way to make it without nanny shoring everything up with pretend programs that are funded with non-existent money, then we need to do it.
Your vote counts...and speaks to what you believe.

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RE: The Beginning of the Depression : Americans now liv... - 2/2/2008 5:47:01 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

quote:

So I have to wonder why you are throwing your support to one of the Dem candidates? They are all going to do the same thing...raise taxes, continue to mis-spend the money, and continue to borrow from the Fed.
Why would you not at least look further into what it being said and linked and investigate Dr. Ron Paul as a viable candidate?

Otherwise, pahunk, you are just going along with the program or holding out false hope that something miraculous is going to turn this whole mess around.

Did you have the goddamn unmitigated gall to say that Dusty?

the war put us how far into debt and where is Bin Laden. I have repeatedly shown by the governments own reckoning that republicans spend more than democrats and dont pay for it,

Dr. Ron Paul cannot get a bill thru congress, he is an impossible dream. He is far from what he says he is. Lyndon LaRouche is far more stable than this prick.

Enough,
Ron

Sorry to distress you so, Ron, but the only reason Ron Paul in an impossible dream is because he is fighting a corrupt system that will not let him speak out. And the American people are too laxidaisical to care. They just put their hand out or think that this is the way it has to be.
I believe it does not have to be this way, and I will not vote, Repub or Dem for any of the front runners. If I do, I know I have only given My stamp of approval for more of the same.
You didn't know I was a Ron Paul supporter?

Edited to add: I am not even bothering to refer to the war, Ron. I am referring to the fact that this political system and out of control Congresses has been running wild for many, many more years than GW. I did not say he should not be blamed...I did say he should not take all the blame. The problems have been here for much longer and they have been building to this point. People need to look at the whole system and realize just how bad it is. Even (dare I say it?) un-constitutional?

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RE: The Beginning of the Depression : Americans now liv... - 2/2/2008 5:47:44 PM

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We can either hit hard times that will not go away while we move to our personal "hoovervilles", or we can try to put someone in office who will take a hard line, but start to get this country back on the right track.

Who do you think that is, pray tell?

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RE: The Beginning of the Depression : Americans now liv... - 2/2/2008 5:51:05 PM

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No thats fine but a fairytale. Ron Paul is a bigger fraud than Estes Kefauver.

but I support your desires, I have exactly the same desires, we just have a different reality.

Ron

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RE: The Beginning of the Depression : Americans now liv... - 2/2/2008 5:54:31 PM

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And I will always respect that, Ron!

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RE: The Beginning of the Depression : Americans now liv... - 2/2/2008 5:57:10 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

We can either hit hard times that will not go away while we move to our personal "hoovervilles", or we can try to put someone in office who will take a hard line, but start to get this country back on the right track.

Who do you think that is, pray tell?

Ummmmmm...

quote:

Why would you not at least look further into what it being said and linked and investigate Dr. Ron Paul as a viable candidate?

My post #12..

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RE: The Beginning of the Depression : Americans now liv... - 2/2/2008 6:08:22 PM

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Tent cities soon, along with the dismantling of the middle class. Strange, isn't it? It's like people are asleep. They forgot the good days we had under Bill Clinton. All they remember is the lie he told, the intern he fucked. They don't remember the peace, the respect we had from the rest of the world, the best economy since WWII.

Bush gets in, and suddenly everything goes to shit. He tells lies by the bucketload, thousands die, the national debt doubles, and the economy teeters on the brink of recession (threatening to drag the rest of the world down with us.) Add to that, we have to bear the fact that we're no better now than some bannana republic where political dissidents disappear off the street and are tortured without trial.

There are/were times I think I might vote for McCain. But then I remember that I'd be voting into the White House a whole cadre of GOP mole rats along with him. Fuck that.

The days ahead are going to be a bitch, no matter who gets in. The question is, do we take care of regular people, or do we continue to just give economic blowjobs to the uber rich?

It's weird... but every day the US and the world gets a little more like.... well, do any of you remember the movie, "They Live?"

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