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Sub-space (again!) - 1/28/2008 7:34:57 PM   
gypsygrl


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Status: offline 		Master and I have been talking alot lately about 'sub-space.'  He rarely, if ever, lets me go there and since we've been playing regularly for a while now, knows how to keep me out of it.  He might let me go 'down' briefly for a short while, but he always brings me right back up.  I asked him 'why?' and he says because he doesn't want me to go too deep.  He says there's the danger that I might not come out of it and doesn't like to put his play partners into subs-space because its dangerous.  I had never heard this before but, I have to admit, that I really liked his style of play from the first time we sessioned together. He keeps me  right there "with him" no matter how much I might want to tune out and go into my own head.  Needless to say, I feel pretty much everything.  There have been times I've gone into sub-space and coming back out has been a rocky semi-traumatic ride and other times where I remained in a state of dissociation for days after a session, so my own experience is in tune with his view.

I'm kind of curious about this.  It seems from alot of what I've read and heard, part of the goal for many who do SM play is precisely subspace.   So, I'm wondering if there's others out there who enjoy SM play sans sub-space or avoid putting their partners into subspace.  Of coursse, I'd like to hear from all sorts of players. :)


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RE: Sub-space (again!) - 1/28/2008 8:06:12 PM   
collaredncontent


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Status: offline 		In day to day life I go to my own space in my head quite frequently. I had epilepsy as a child and one of the things that would happen most often is that I'd blank out for short periods and just stare off. Most teachers thought I had ADD. I'm glad it isn't a problem now, though, but I have a habit of spacing out that I need to work on. During play-times or sex I don't space out, it's too intense to, but in other aspects of my day to day life...yeah I'm guilty of it. I've not seen my Master demand that I not go to my own spot in my head but if he wanted my attention to never waver he'd have to really stay on my case if nothing is going on. And of course, if he asks what I'm thinking I reply honestly. Usually it's nothing of any importance, just random trains of thought, but he likes to know and I don't mind divulging.

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RE: Sub-space (again!) - 1/28/2008 8:24:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've been to subspace and back many times and have lived to tell about it.  I have never heard of it being dangerous.  That's new to me.  Daddy has been playing for nearly 17 years and has taken a lot of girls there and back without any fatalities.  I love it.  It's like a great, disembodied, drunken-high, kind of feeling, where I am aware, just not able to express myself well bc I am flying on the sensations.  If Daddy didn't know me or my body well enough, maybe He wouldn't let me go there or stay there a while, but we have been doing this for almost 5 years and He's a pretty good judge of when, where, and if He needs to draw the line, but to date, we haven't had a problem.

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RE: Sub-space (again!) - 1/28/2008 9:00:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I go into my own Space....I did it today in fact...I'll explain. I was thinking about my Master today while I was sitting at my desk. In my mind I "saw" and "heard" He and I having a conversation....I've done this before...replayed conversations in my head in detail...or envision talks I haven't had yet....Well when I "came out" of that day dream I was a little disoriantated. I checked my computer because I was positive I had just been chatting with my Master. Well I hadn't been...it just seemed that real. Its not something I ever recall doing before....

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RE: Sub-space (again!) - 1/28/2008 9:11:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		It depends on what my intent behind the scene is. If I'm doing spiritual work, I WANT them to go into non-ordinary reality. If I'm indulging my sadist, I'm more apt to keep them in this reality.

I've never heard of someone not coming back. I've heard of some not coming back for a while and some becoming non-communicative, but someone who is in tune with them will know what can and can't happen.

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RE: Sub-space (again!) - 1/28/2008 9:14:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nice to meet another chica who accepts the top controlling the scene and doesn't get all whiny about not getting into her desired haze. :)

I don't prevent someone from going into subspace because I feel it's too risky, though I doubt I'd let someone go deep until we really knew eachother well.  It's more a matter of my mood and where I want the scene to go (or if I'm the bottom, where they want it to go)- sometimes subspace is conducive to that and sometimes it's not.

A tactic perhaps would be to get you to seek subspace in the AFTERCARE portion- when nothing is really being done to you, but all the chemicals are still there and the connection can still overwhelm you.  A lot of people, including me, find that to be just as great as subspace IN the scene itself.

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RE: Sub-space (again!) - 1/28/2008 9:29:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ahh...I didn't know what that term was. A little research goes a long way, I've found. Forgive my blunder. I've never done this...subspace experience yet but I'm getting all excited and worked up from the small reading I found over the topic. It's a shame my Master lives so far away now and that he probably would have a difficult time getting me there if I'm correct to assume it takes a high level of pain involvement. Something to look forward to one day.

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RE: Sub-space (again!) - 1/28/2008 9:32:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have never heard of someone that has not come back from subspace... perhaps you could ask him about that because I am now curious about it.

He likes putting me into subspace, although he doesn't do it every time we play.... sometimes he hits me for only a couple of minutes... but if we play hard, subspace happens and he enjoys my responses to it.


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RE: Sub-space (again!) - 1/28/2008 9:33:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not necessarily pain, for some (not all) just a great deal of sensation.  I've gotten there from extreme pleasure as well.

Your mileage may vary,
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RE: Sub-space (again!) - 1/28/2008 9:33:59 PM   
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difficult time getting me there if I'm correct to assume it takes a high level of pain involvement. Something to look forward to one day.

No- that would be like taking my friend who orgasms from nipple pinching and then saying "orgasms take a lot of nipple pinching."

Lots of pain is a way for SOME people to go into SOME forms of subspace.

There are many other ways and many forms of subspace.

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RE: Sub-space (again!) - 1/28/2008 10:56:39 PM   
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There have been times I've gone into sub-space and coming back out has been a rocky semi-traumatic ride and other times where I remained in a state of dissociation for days after a session, so my own experience is in tune with his view.


Hi gypsygrl,
I read this part and I made me wonder about your "aftercare". Aftercare should be part of the whole process. It is after everything is over that the sub or bottom needs to feel comforted and held. To bring them back slowly. Just a thought. If you are allowed, I would suggest that you direct your Master to information about aftercare.


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RE: Sub-space (again!) - 1/28/2008 10:59:45 PM   
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assume it takes a high level of pain involvement. Something to look forward to one day.


Brian,
Not necessarily. Many subs just slip into sub space without it being pain induced. It depends on each individual and their dominants as to what sends them into sub space. But you can still look forward to it! :)

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RE: Sub-space (again!) - 1/28/2008 11:00:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

quote:

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difficult time getting me there if I'm correct to assume it takes a high level of pain involvement. Something to look forward to one day.

No- that would be like taking my friend who orgasms from nipple pinching and then saying "orgasms take a lot of nipple pinching."

Lots of pain is a way for SOME people to go into SOME forms of subspace.

There are many other ways and many forms of subspace.

lol I am repeating you! Oh well, gmta <s> You got this one covered lol

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RE: Sub-space (again!) - 1/28/2008 11:02:15 PM   
collaredncontent


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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

quote:

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difficult time getting me there if I'm correct to assume it takes a high level of pain involvement. Something to look forward to one day.

No- that would be like taking my friend who orgasms from nipple pinching and then saying "orgasms take a lot of nipple pinching."

Lots of pain is a way for SOME people to go into SOME forms of subspace.

There are many other ways and many forms of subspace.


Ah, I should have put a little more emphasis on 'a little research'. From what I had read it talked only on the pain aspect and my mental image was of a person getting beaten into some kind of mental trance from just what that scant reading had to offer. Thanks for clarifying, I am quite curious to see if we can get there someday.

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RE: Sub-space (again!) - 1/28/2008 11:03:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		gypsygrl,
i would like to thank You for posting this because it goes along with a fear of mine....In my past i disociated a great deal and did not have the ability to control it at all...So, the more i learned about this sub space thing the more worried i got that it would "feel" or "be" like that, which in my mind is not a good thing....i'm still not sure about it, and He and i have talked about it a great deal.....But, it's nice to know i'm not alone in my views or perceptions..


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RE: Sub-space (again!) - 1/28/2008 11:55:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have never heard of this.

Which isn't to say I'm the be all and end all of BDSM relationships and subspace (Heaven knows I'm not) but I can't help but think that if there was actually a chance you wouldn't come out of, it would have been mentioned somewhere. Hell SM 101 talks about all the itty-bitty risks so much it makes me a little antsy to use a ball gag!

I can tell you that from personal experience, I've gotten so high I couldn't really talk, mumbled about shrimp pasta and, once taken down, just giggled and kneaded the carpet for awhile. Walking can be a bit of a challenge too... but I always come back out.

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RE: Sub-space (again!) - 1/29/2008 3:48:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting.  I find it rather easy to 'tune  out' in regular day to day life and often find it hard to remain with the game and have been like this for as long as I can remember.  One of the reasons I enjoy our sessions is because I am so fully present, in the game and reacting spontaneously.  Early on in our relationship, I hit a deep space a couple times and I loved being there but coming out was really scary.  I think of it as something along the lines of the way a deep sea diver gets the bends.

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RE: Sub-space (again!) - 1/29/2008 4:16:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, I do this all the time.  Its a conversation with an "internalized other" and how humans tend to incorporate significant authority figures into their psychic life.  Kind of like the way people talk to their god.  I've never lost sight of the fact that the conversations were in my head--at least not since I was a kid when I sometimes thought they were real--but I kind of know what you mean.  But, for the purposes  of this thread, in using the term 'sub-space' I'm talking about the altered state of  consciousness thats produced through pain play.

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RE: Sub-space (again!) - 1/29/2008 4:37:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		sub space can be good for a soul.  It is good for mine, but I rarely get to visit.  Talk with your master tell him your views and since you know where he is comeing from maybe you can arrange a little visit from time to time.

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RE: Sub-space (again!) - 1/29/2008 6:41:52 AM   
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It depends on what my intent behind the scene is. If I'm doing spiritual work, I WANT them to go into non-ordinary reality. If I'm indulging my sadist, I'm more apt to keep them in this reality.


Right.  He's a sadist and enjoys playing with pain and my reaction to it.  I'm a masochist, and am not really looking to 'escape' the pain by entering an altered state of consciousness but want to feel the energy between us. 


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