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perms - 1/22/2008 9:45:31 PM   
hisannabelle


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Status: offline 		greetings all,

wasn't sure where exactly to post this, so if it should be moved, by all means, move it! i got my hair permed at my master's behest last tuesday, and it's already starting to relax, so i was wondering if anyone here with naturally silky, fairly straight hair (mine is really bad with holding anything - cornrows fall out in a few days, etc.) has any tips on keeping hair curly. i'd like to keep from buying a curling iron (before this, i never did anything chemical or heat-related to my hair, ever, so this was a huge step for me), but any tips on using curlers or ways of styling hair to get the perm to stay in or anything like that would be really, really appreciated. he loves seeing me with curly hair and i was so happy to be able to do this for him but my hair is thick, silky, and wavy, and it refuses to hold any other shape but that, LOL. i already use shampoo for curly hair, though (it's the only thing that keeps mine from getting frizzy, normally), and i normally use other products for curly hair just because that's always been what's best for my hair, so i don't think it's the products i'm using. i just have no idea on how to keep my hair curly since i'm so used to having straight hair.

thanks for the help!

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RE: perms - 1/22/2008 9:48:51 PM   
faerytattoodgirl


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Status: offline 		i want thick hair...cant do a damn thing with mine!!

never done the curly route tho..fat chance getting mine to do that.


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RE: perms - 1/22/2008 9:52:25 PM   
hisannabelle


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Status: offline 		you can totally have some of mine! it drives me nuts. i am eager for it to grow out again, i miss having long hair, but there's just SO freaking much of it. when it's short i am constantly having to actually do things with it or i look like i have either an afro or rats nesting (depending on the weather and my sleeping habits). when it's long it's like carrying around an extra blanket. that sheds. but somehow never gets lighter. :P

i don't want really thin hair, but i'm definitely willing to donate to your cause and at least have relatively more normal hair.  


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RE: perms - 1/22/2008 10:00:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		well im ok with it cause it only takes 10 mins to blo dry (after 20 mins air dry) so its not so bad.... the salon tried to curl the ends ...wouldnt work.  cant really style it either cause soon as a gust of wind happens its ruined... and short hair is crap on me...my face needs it long.

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RE: perms - 1/22/2008 10:08:05 PM   
hisannabelle


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RE: perms - 1/22/2008 10:09:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well I'm generally anti-perm no matter who or what age because I think it just destroys hair and never really looks good and certainly does not look modern or fashionable now.

My main suggestion is to train it at night- take a shower, bind it back in waves with pincurls or folded over ponytails, with some leave in conditioner and then sleep on it.  In the morning, rub in some styling hold gel, blow dry it for a few minutes, then take out the pins and holders, finger brush the hair out a bit, and if you really want to, add some hairspray.


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RE: perms - 1/22/2008 10:16:24 PM   
literaryfairy


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Status: offline 		Don't wash your hair in the shower. Instead, give it some love in the kitchen sink, with somewhat cool water.

What helps me keep color in (it may work for perms too, lol- doesn't hurt!) is to take a good, quarter-sized dollop of pure honey and lather it in when I'm conditioning. It also keeps skin clear and supple!

I'm sure your hair is fine though, my only worry would be the fact that it's winter, and if you're in a cold climate right now, dryness and brittleness could be a problem. Stay away from Suave shampoo, try that honey thing, and just use common sense and you'll be fine :]

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RE: perms - 1/22/2008 11:28:41 PM   
bignipples2share


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Status: offline 		I guess we all want what we don't have. I have the long, thin, straight hair and always wanted thick rich curls. My hair wont even hold a tangle, let alone a curl.
When the fashion was to get a perm, I tried it. Since perming is hell on your hair, I used products for color treated hair, as they're gentler. Then of course you have to counter act all the gentleness with other products, sprays and gels, to keep the hair looking good.

The hard part I found in the whole process was when the perm started to grow out. The difference between the damaged perm hair requiring one type of products and the new growth needing other products. The new growth would lay flat to the head and then a visibly different permed hair could be seen. Kind of like seeing someone whose weave is grown out about 1/2 inch and drastically needs to be fixed. Alas, it's a much harder thing to make that perm growing out look go away. Since your hair is thick, the difference isn't usually noticable. .

There are some new products on the market since then I've had a perm. You can apply to the roots and fluff it up, scrunch it, then use a curling iron, either before, or after and get some good looking results..I know..I've seen it on QVC..gotta be good stuff < laughing >  The stiff hairsprays of the past have been updated for a more flexible hold too...again..gotta love looking at those infomercials late at night...I swear they have the best products in the world, soon we'll have pancake syrup that can clean your oven, use as anti-freeze in your car and use as a laundry detergent booster..mind the disclaimer, don't use on actual pancakes.

The point is..check out the various nifty new products on your hair. Make sure they aren't gonna break the strands at the roots, or anyplace else. Try the new stuff at a time when you can wash whatever it is out, right away. Keep the hairspray, if you decide to use, it away from your glasses and diamond earrings, if you wear them. Use a large curling iron sparringly and fingercomb.

Enjoy your new look!

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RE: perms - 1/23/2008 4:44:42 AM   
adoracat


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Status: offline 		annabelle, i belong to a longhair forum over on livejournal and one of the books commonly recommended is called "Curly Girl" i belive.  its written for the special needs of curly hair.

i wouldnt know, my hair is baby fine, whispy, and very very straight.  i've never had a perm hold for more than a week, except the time i really fried it and it went poof. that one lasted, LOL

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RE: perms - 1/23/2008 5:09:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		some hair just doesn't curl and even perms won't help it...if your master likes you with curly hair, i'd do the pin curl thing or tiny rollers, but i think overperming your hair would just make it really damaged.

maybe if you use a diffuser on your blow dryer it would help.  i've always had thick, curly hair and a diffuser really helps control frizz and make the curls take a pretty shape.  they also have curl enhancing shampoos and conditioners that might help as well.

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RE: perms - 1/23/2008 5:18:56 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
My main suggestion is to train it at night- take a shower, bind it back in waves with pincurls or folded over ponytails, with some leave in conditioner and then sleep on it.  In the morning, rub in some styling hold gel, blow dry it for a few minutes, then take out the pins and holders, finger brush the hair out a bit, and if you really want to, add some hairspray.


I second this.  Depending on what type of curls that you want, I watched a show a couple weeks ago where they used the pedicure toe seperators to create spiral curls.  They took a section of hair and wrapped around the seperators.  When they took the hair out it was in long spriral curls.

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RE: perms - 1/23/2008 5:22:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey, Annabelle.  How long is your hair right now?  Beyond using the specialized shampoos and products for curly hair - do you blow dry it?  Or let it air dry?  A perm should relax a bit in the first week.  I have straight, thin hair that I have to keep layered to give it any body.  If you don't have any layers in your hair, the perm won't last as long.  

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RE: perms - 1/23/2008 5:29:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with this .. a hard stream of water knocks the curl out of even naturally curly hair .. However having thick, red curly hair myself I drool over women who have poker straight blonde or jet black loveliness for hair ... We all want what we don't have ... 

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RE: perms - 1/23/2008 5:30:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Aveda Be Curly range is about the best thing I've found for making curls nice ...  

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RE: perms - 1/23/2008 5:57:51 AM   
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RE: perms - 1/23/2008 7:03:23 AM   
kittinSol


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Status: offline 		I have ultra curly hair, and I've dreamt of having straight hair all my life, so it's no surprise that you, a chick with straight hair, should long for what you don't have.

I don't believe in perms: I think they look cheap. If you like your hair curly, I recommend you use rollers and a curling iron. It's a far prettier result, and it doesn't alterate the nature of your hair. Perms are full of harmful chemicals; reciprocally, I don't believe in chemically straightening curly hair either, for the same reasons.



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RE: perms - 1/23/2008 7:28:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ive got very thick, heavy hair...but its also very fine. Kinda one of those weird ones. So nothing stays in my hair. Its so heavy, it pulls any type of curl out easily because the shafts of my hair are so fine they cant hold on to each other like most thick headed peoples hair does. Perms come out in a week, a regular curling iron keeps curls for about 15 minutes. Heated curlers last about an hour, and if I cover my hair in curl enhancing product and french braid my hair while its wet and keep it tightly french braided while I sleep, when I let the braid down the next morning it will stay curly for at least 3 hours. Then it just gets frizzy and looks crappy. Ive spent hundred of dollars at salons and beauty supply places trying to find a hairstyle that doesnt end up just falling flat down my head and looking like shit...but, apparently its just not for me. I am so jealous of people when I go out to clubs, parties, even church..because Im sitting there with my hair in its usual pony tail cause thats really all I can do with it..and all these other women have these great looking modern hairstyles that look so classy...so yea...I think its human nature to want whatever we arent born with.

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RE: perms - 1/23/2008 7:33:54 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

I have ultra curly hair, and I've dreamt of having straight hair all my life, so it's no surprise that you, a chick with straight hair, should long for what you don't have.

I don't believe in perms: I think they look cheap. If you like your hair curly, I recommend you use rollers and a curling iron. It's a far prettier result, and it doesn't alterate the nature of your hair. Perms are full of harmful chemicals; reciprocally, I don't believe in chemically straightening curly hair either, for the same reasons.




If Annabelle's hair is as straight as mine, using rollers or a curling iron would give her great results - for about five minutes, less if there's any humidity.

I have had some good perms, some horrible perms, and one excellent perm (that had to do with the way she wound it - people thought it was natural). The first perm I ever had almost totally straightened in the first week, and the salon re-did it. That might have been because I was trying to grow out a bad dye-job and didn't want a glaring line between copper red and my normal mousy brown, and the colored hair didn't react the way natural color would. I've never had that problem since. As has been said above, there is some relaxing in the first week. When you look at the results in the salon, it should look too tight.

Because I can't see to style my hair anymore, it is now kept verry short. If I find a SO who wants me in longer hair, He's gonna have to style it Himself.

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RE: perms - 1/23/2008 8:31:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Fair enough - I'm not one to give advice to people with straight hair after all, considering my condition :-) . But I must say that perms tend to look crappy, regardless of how much they cost - that's why most good hair professionals tend to advise against getting them.

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RE: perms - 1/23/2008 6:12:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		John Frieda's Dream Curls and a diffuser that fits on the end of a blowdryer works for me, but then again, I have naturally curly hair...

Dream Curls is a spray that you use when your hair is WET...not towel dried. Scrunch away...
you can find it anywhere in the hair care aisle.

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