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RE: Slave training and brain washing - 1/18/2008 4:28:45 AM

Kirren

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Training is not brainwashing, unless you institute the steps needed to achieve a brainwashed state.

A well-behaved slave or submissive who follows the rules of the dominant's household and screws up rarely is not necessarily brainwashed. They are a submissive/slave who may have gone through years of getting to that point or who may have been able to pick it up quickly. They are someone who has found a D/s or M/s dynamic that works for them and so, they complied...whether it took minutes, days, weeks, months or years.

I have to agree here. My girl has been in training for a while, before she and I met. When I took her in, I did do some behavior modification. She has self actualizations that she does every day, and that work well for her and have changed her mindset on damaging behaviors that I noticed when I met her.

Its about fine tuning.

Reward and punishment is some what pavlovian( to get to the op's post) but what I find is that it works. I dont think its so much as like training a dog, but more like child rearing in that you will be tested, and you will be frustrated and you will find joy in the sense of accomplishment that the submissive gives.

I would suggest, since it seems that you have curiosity about the things being done, that you ask the person training you..."what does that do? How does that work?" That type of thing, so that you can grow to a deeper understanding of how your submissives mind works, that will be important later.

Bear in mind that training is hard for both parties, it leads the submissive sometimes to wonder how did I get into this, and the Dom to question if they even can. Theres alot of emotion and thought that come together to make this wonderful dynamic that Dom's and subs get together when things are working.

But yes, with a new sub, behavior modification is part of it. You have to take away the behaviors that you do not want, such as back talk, slacking, unkemptness, what have you, and replace them with a well behaved, well kept, motivated sub. Some behavior modification is easy, some is not. Some works and some doesnt. Find the groove that works for you, and go with it.

Good luck...and best wishes...and remember, this experience is different for all of us.

Kirren

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RE: Slave training and brain washing - 1/18/2008 5:52:33 AM

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Lots of wonderful advice here, some apparently contradictory and yet I find Myself skating a line across most of it and agreeing! My first question is "What do You (the OP) mean by 'training'?" Do You mean things like (a) how You like Your food cooked, Your house cleaned, Your laundry done? (b) slave body positions, how to serve drinks in an elaborate ritual, how to do the dance of the 7 veils? (c) how to become enslaved to You?

It really depends on Your answer as to what advice is appropriate, and since You didn't elaborate in Your post, I think different people have taken on each of these aspects. Which is why You appear to have received contradictory yet good advice. So, from My standpoint: If it is
(a) - only You know how You like these things done (or maybe You've never thought about it and will have to figure it out first!). Therefore only You can train Your slave to perform these tasks to Your expectations and enjoyment. No Mentor should be needed for this, unless You want to chat over with someone about how many things to introduce at one time, hints and tips on how they keep track of things etc. For Me, these are very important parts of having a slave ... for if these things are done correctly they make My life more efficient and enjoyable ... and that's worth the time and effort of having a slave!
(b) - if such rituals are important to You, then You might need specific advice and assistance from an experienced Master in what these rituals are, what constitutes good practice etc. For some couples these are very important, for others, they are virtually non-existant. There's no hard and fast rules here ... someone doesn't have to know 25 different body positions to be a "true" slave. However, that might be something You very much desire to have her do. If so, by all means, seek help!
(c) - this is the tricky one, where I think it's a little bit of You and a little bit of help, too. Mistress Vnus was posting on this sort of level, and while ultimately, it has to be You driving the training so she becomes enslaved to You and not to a trainer, yes, You are delving deep and some guidance might well be advisable. To Me this isn't something You dive in the deep end with ... get some of the basic (a) training going first ... this sort of training develops over time as the relationship (AND the people in it) evolve.

I hope that's helped clarify things a bit ... I would love to see the OP's answer as to what He was thinking of!

Maam Jay aka violet[A]

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