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RE: Russian media thinks US election is fixed - 1/16/2008 6:30:58 PM

kdsub

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I think you all are a bunch of conspiracy fanatical nuts!!!! ...

...BUT if the Republicans win the presidential election this November I will join you in conspiracy land.

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RE: Russian media thinks US election is fixed - 1/16/2008 6:39:28 PM

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Does anybody care what Russians think. In recent Russian Duma elections some regions had voter turnout 98% and they voted overhelmingly for ruling "Party of Power": naked obvious fraud. It is Russian way of pointing to others, it makes them feel less quilty.

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RE: Russian media thinks US election is fixed - 1/16/2008 10:22:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I think you all are a bunch of conspiracy fanatical nuts!!!! ... ...BUT if the Republicans win the presidential election this November I will join you in conspiracy land.

Butch

"Truth has become the dirty word "conspiracy",and many close their eyes failing to see the real enemy" --Aldous Huxley

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RE: Russian media thinks US election is fixed - 1/17/2008 2:34:01 AM

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Well, who knows, they might be right! 16,000 votes did disappear in the 2000 election. That's been documented: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0310/S00211.htm

There's also considerable evidence that the 2004 election was stolen, too: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen

Electronic voting machines can be easily rigged. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/12/us/12vote.html?_r=1&n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/People/D/Davey,%20Monica&oref=slogin

I used to laugh at the Russian protests that America didn't have fair elections. Now, they might well be right!

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RE: Russian media thinks US election is fixed - 1/17/2008 4:03:04 AM

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Gotta love the irony of Putin and company leveling this criticism at the USA.

Even sweeter that they are basically right.

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RE: Russian media thinks US election is fixed - 1/17/2008 4:11:37 AM

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I don't know if the elections are rigged but I know it is possible.

It super retardly easy to make a mostly non-hackable system.

Here's how .

Keep the computers, after each vote a randomized alphanumeric number is randomly generated tied to your vote, it spits out a receipt for you with your long random alphanumeric random number on it(no trace back to identity) unless you have access to the core database. This is easy to do. Then you take all those computer recorded votes and make a copy of the database public excluding the personal fields but leaving the voting record. At something like www.checkthevote.gov (don't think that's a real address). There you can download the whole database, that contains only the alphanumeric randomly generated number and the votes record associated with that random number, the city, county, State were the vote was recorded and the voting location.

So, after you vote the next day you should be able to go to the website and check your vote to make sure it is there for one, to make sure it is accurate, and to see the entire number of votes cast.

With a system like that. Well for one you'd know your vote was being recorded correctly. Two, you'd be able to search for weird spikes in the votes, in certain voting locations(probable fraud). You'd get 1000's of people independently pouring over the rolls trying to find fraud.

It'd be way way harder to subvert the vote. And cost virtually nothing to do such a thing. The only reason they don't expose it like that I can think of is because they want the ability to tinker in obscurity if necessary.

Of course there still would still be some fraud but way less and way more apt to be exposed.

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RE: Russian media thinks US election is fixed - 1/17/2008 4:49:22 AM

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Vote absentee.
With this mode you get a paper ballet- it must be postmarked by the cut off date.

The entire voter base does this and guess what? We just switched to paper voting.

I completely agree! Paper voting is the only way to go. Anything else, esp. if it does not leave a trail, is just stupid and begs for corruption, if it has not been corrupted already.

As to all those comments about the Russians and their supposed fixed elections lately:
Putin's party is VERY popular. So popular that we as Americans might not understand it. Putin is the only ruler alive today who has thousands of fan clubs and teen girls swooning at his every word like he's a rock star. He dragged Russia up from it's knees and into a strong fighting position, and Russians love him for it. Sure, he made unpopular decisions, but those were unpopular with the west, but domestically they made Russia more powerful. He does not care about other's opinions, he does what he needs to for his country. I think we could all learn something from his tactics, and hope that we get a leader with such balls in the White House someday.

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RE: Russian media thinks US election is fixed - 1/17/2008 4:55:19 AM

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If only you sent this in a "junk" email to forward it in a chain letter that every voter could get. Forward it to ten people before the end of the day or you'll die from disgust over an unwanted government!

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RE: Russian media thinks US election is fixed - 1/17/2008 6:05:14 AM

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I think you all are a bunch of conspiracy fanatical nuts!!!! ... ...BUT if the Republicans win the presidential election this November I will join you in conspiracy land.

Butch

Fuck, you just reminded me of the electoral calvary that lays ahead of us