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KenDckey -> RE: Hillary cracking under pressure? (1/7/2008 6:21:25 PM)

I tend to think that if anyone cries cause of the pressure of running won't ever become Pres.  Now if they were running for city council or dog catcher maybe but not President.   The pressures of the office are to great.    has nothing to do with sex or anything else.




justheather -> RE: Hillary cracking under pressure? (1/7/2008 6:30:58 PM)

People cry for lots of reasons that don't translate into being "weak".
I'd be more worried about the person who is so stifled he or she is unable to cry than someone who does cry. Im a cry-er, myself. Im also a creative person with proven leadership skills who has single handedly (until very recently) supported my family for seven years. I also would not hesitate to rip your balls off and hand them to you if the situation warranted. I might cry before, during or after the fact, but that does not in any way reflect my abilities in any field other than perhaps the "who can not cry the longest competition".
Maybe it's time to reconsider what we consider "strength" when it comes to leadership instead of holding up those who are pro-change to the old model. I, for one, am not completely satisfied with the non-crying leadership we've seen over the past eight or so years.
And at least she didnt vomit. Now that's a sign of weakness. Or latent homosexuality. Or both.

(Oh and for goodness sake please dont respond to that last comment as if I were somehow serious. I like the gay men I know too much to peg Georgie as being from that camp.




popeye1250 -> RE: Hillary cracking under pressure? (1/7/2008 7:03:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Level

An aside: does anyone else, when looking at the list of threads, sometimes add words from different topics in their head.... I mean, just now, I saw this thread and the female ejaculators one, and got "Hillary ejaculating under pressure"......... [:o]


GOD Level what a visual!!!
MY EYES!!! MY EYES!!!
AHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!




justheather -> RE: Hillary cracking under pressure? (1/7/2008 7:04:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: Level

An aside: does anyone else, when looking at the list of threads, sometimes add words from different topics in their head.... I mean, just now, I saw this thread and the female ejaculators one, and got "Hillary ejaculating under pressure"......... [:o]


GOD Level what a visual!!!
MY EYES!!! MY EYES!!!
AHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!


Yeah, thanks a LOT, Level.





Level -> RE: Hillary cracking under pressure? (1/7/2008 7:08:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: justheather


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

quote:

ORIGINAL: Level

An aside: does anyone else, when looking at the list of threads, sometimes add words from different topics in their head.... I mean, just now, I saw this thread and the female ejaculators one, and got "Hillary ejaculating under pressure"......... [:o]


GOD Level what a visual!!!
MY EYES!!! MY EYES!!!
AHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!


Yeah, thanks a LOT, Level.


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MissSCD -> RE: Hillary cracking under pressure? (1/7/2008 7:10:14 PM)

I am a pretty standard democrat.  I vote republican occasionaly.  I consider myself an expert in the Clintons.
For some odd reason, I still like them; however, I look at it this way.  What we need is change.  If we put her back in, we are going back to the old way of doing things.
I like Huckabee because I am religious; however, Obama is looking good.
He shares my opinions of the War in Iraq which is a gradual timeline removal of troops. 
And, he also shares my views on a lot of other things.
I think Hillary realizes she is done and the best thing for her to do is to support the one who gets the nomination.
 
Obama/Huckabee, oh my?  So confused.
 
Regards, MissSCD




TheHeretic -> RE: Hillary cracking under pressure? (1/7/2008 8:27:58 PM)

        FR


       The media op felt very scripted to me.  I'm thinking that after seeing "the hurt, Hillary, we will next be treated to "Hillary, the fighter."

       I'll be curious to watch how she attacks him.  The line about knowing what she'll do on the first day suggests she might try to leave a door (or maybe a window) open for the bottom half of her ticket.  A big boost in Obama's momentum from New Hampshire might close that and force her to go nasty before the 2/5 primaries make the actual delegates of these early votes completely meaningless.  Almost half the total delegates will be up for grabs.

      I guess we'll start seeing tomorrow night.




FatDomDaddy -> RE: Hillary cracking under pressure? (1/7/2008 8:28:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: justheather

People cry for lots of reasons that don't translate into being "weak".


And I don't thinks Mrs. Clinton is weak either.

But the statement I made is that the American People are not going to elect any person, man or woman who cries over the pressure and stress of campaign. It is a vetting process and crying will not vet you to the Oval Office or even to the party nomination.




Nosathro -> RE: Hillary cracking under pressure? (1/7/2008 8:46:35 PM)

Remember she also tried laughing and that sounded like a squeek.  Her campain has been questionable in it practices, from funding to planting people and questions in the audience.   She has boosted about being in the lead and now she is losing and she will try anything to get back on top, like many here this is just one more of Hillary R. Clintons tricks.




laurell3 -> RE: Hillary cracking under pressure? (1/7/2008 10:12:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Remember she also tried laughing and that sounded like a squeek.  Her campain has been questionable in it practices, from funding to planting people and questions in the audience.   She has boosted about being in the lead and now she is losing and she will try anything to get back on top, like many here this is just one more of Hillary R. Clintons tricks.


Yeah I agree.  I don't believe it was real and if it was it was a rather stupid ploy that's backfiring on her.  Whether one is male or female,  I really don't want a president that cries over the "pressure" of running.  Holy cow, what's going to happen when that same person is actually running the country?  Whining about how hard it is to be a politician was a fairly silly move on her part in my opinion. 




Level -> RE: Hillary cracking under pressure? (1/8/2008 2:52:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

       FR


      The media op felt very scripted to me.  I'm thinking that after seeing "the hurt, Hillary, we will next be treated to "Hillary, the fighter."

      I'll be curious to watch how she attacks him.  The line about knowing what she'll do on the first day suggests she might try to leave a door (or maybe a window) open for the bottom half of her ticket.  A big boost in Obama's momentum from New Hampshire might close that and force her to go nasty before the 2/5 primaries make the actual delegates of these early votes completely meaningless.  Almost half the total delegates will be up for grabs.

     I guess we'll start seeing tomorrow night.


Very "scripted", indeed. [8|]

Hmm, wouldn't it be something, if Obama keeps winning, and she throws in the towel in exchange for the VP spot?

The first black AND female team, headed to the White House.... twice the history in the making.

Now.... that would turn some off....having her on the ticket.




Lucylastic -> RE: Hillary cracking under pressure? (1/8/2008 6:14:58 AM)

I dont see her cracking under the pressure....she knows the stresses of political life...hell shes been married to the Bill how long now?
If her advisors are tellin  her that feminine "wiles" will work, then they are working for the other team, but she should see thru that.    I dont know the womans politics or care about her in anyway, but in what I do know about her ...... nah shes not emotionally weak, not in that respect anyway.
Lucy




Lashra -> RE: Hillary cracking under pressure? (1/8/2008 6:30:52 AM)

First she is called "cold and unfeeling" now she is "emotional and stressed out". The media just can't seem to make up its mind what they want to call Hillary. I say call her by her name and just let her do her thing.

It seems the media has to pic apart all the candidates and its up to the public to make up their mind what they want to believe. I admire Hillary for getting as far as she has in politics even if I do not agree with her stand on all the issues. I do not think she will be President because the deck is stacked against her, but hopefully one day we will have a female president.

~Lashra




popeye1250 -> RE: Hillary cracking under pressure? (1/8/2008 10:18:17 AM)

Lashra, I have no problem with a female president, just as long as it's not Hillary Clinton.
The Clintons are 99% ego and one % substance.
"All sizzle, no steak."
They'll say one thing one day and do the exact opposite the next.
And look at the people they have around them, Chinese money and the worst Secy of State we've ever had.




DominorSomnium -> RE: Hillary cracking under pressure? (1/8/2008 12:19:17 PM)

the Clinton's are.....opportunistic bottom feeders who keep very shady company. Hilary is upset that someone like Obama is beating her political machine, so she cries in one of the most scripted events I have ever seen. It almost made me wonder if she had some sort of eye drops to make her cry, the woman is not human.




HaveRopeWillBind -> RE: Hillary cracking under pressure? (1/8/2008 12:38:09 PM)

Well in fact she did not cry, she simply opened up emotionally for a moment. Scripted or not there were no tears rolling down her cheeks so why keep implying that there were? Watch the video again. Seems as though Obama has suddenly become the press darling and that same press wants to attack Hillary from every possible angle. I don't think she is a perfect Presidential candidate, but I do think she would do a better job overall than Obama. He keeps talking about change, but whenever he actually makes a policy statement such as his health care plan it always comes out as a "Me too!" sort of half measure that isn't as viable as the ideas expressed by other candidates. I do believe we need a lot of changes in our current political system, but I would like to be sure they are not changes for the worse or changes simply for the sake of change, which seems to be Obama's platform. Personally I do like Ron Paul, but he is never going to get on the ballot and a write-in campaign for him won't get him elected either. Given that I do think that Hillary has offered some of the best ideas for needed change that could actually be shoe-horned through Congress. Everyone is comparing Obama to Kennedy, but if you really look at the Kennedy administration he got nothing done and nearly brought us to nuclear war. Most of the social changes Kennedy is credited with were actually accomplished later by Johnson. Johnson had the dirt on just about everyone in Congress at the time so he was able to push through most of what he wanted. Add to that the fact that he claimed much of it was in Kennedy's memory and Congress gave him almost anything he wanted. Given the actual Kennedy record I don't want another Kennedy, and that is sort of what bothers me about Obama, I see him as another possible president elected on the basis of his charisma but without the political experience to actually get anything through Congress, and no diplomatic experience at all. Since much of what the next president has to deal with will be International Diplomacy Obama is one of the weakest candidates running. In that sense Hillary is the most experienced.




DominorSomnium -> RE: Hillary cracking under pressure? (1/8/2008 12:52:57 PM)

Hilary is a terrible choice for president. she has zero charisma, and is recognized by many as a sociopath. I think Obama is probably the best choice because he has not been so corrupted by being in Washington like Clinton.




Shawn1066 -> RE: Hillary cracking under pressure? (1/8/2008 1:09:16 PM)

Huckabee did make a good, fair point earlier today.  He said something along the lines is that she just showed some emotion, some humanity, and that he doesn't thing Americans want a President who's inhuman.  Very stand-up of him.  Another reason I like the guy.




farglebargle -> RE: Hillary cracking under pressure? (1/8/2008 1:13:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DominorSomnium

Hilary is a terrible choice for president. she has zero charisma, and is recognized by many as a sociopath. I think Obama is probably the best choice because he has not been so corrupted by being in Washington like Clinton.



You're kidding, right?

Obama wouldn't have been invited to the dance, if he wasn't a Team Player.

I thought it was great, how Hilary's staged emotional display managed to push Obama off the front page..





popeye1250 -> RE: Hillary cracking under pressure? (1/8/2008 1:16:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DominorSomnium

the Clinton's are.....opportunistic bottom feeders who keep very shady company. Hilary is upset that someone like Obama is beating her political machine, so she cries in one of the most scripted events I have ever seen. It almost made me wonder if she had some sort of eye drops to make her cry, the woman is not human.


LOL, remember that time Bill Clinton raised his right hand to his right eye as if to wipe away a tear after being with his hollywood buddies?
Thirty seconds later he started "crying" only it was out of his (right) eye!
Nothing out of his left eye!
The special effects people should have told him to use the tear juice on *both* eyes, not just one!
I don't know many people who cry out of only *one* eye! lol




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