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RE: Goth Metal - Metal in general - 1/5/2008 8:50:21 AM

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have reviewed a couple of goth metal shows - Cealed Kasket (a very popular goth metal band here) is my favorite ...might see Bloodstream Parade tomorrow at their all-ages show.

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RE: Goth Metal - Metal in general - 1/5/2008 9:20:41 AM

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atreyu is NOT metal! Never mention them again!

Okay, then, educate me. What are they?

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RE: Goth Metal - Metal in general - 1/5/2008 9:32:25 AM

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Metal sprang up around the use of the diminished fifth - which in earlier days was associated with the devil, and was basically banned from non-secular, and, in many ways, secular music for the longest time.

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RE: Goth Metal - Metal in general - 1/5/2008 10:00:24 AM

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atreyu is NOT metal! Never mention them again!

Okay, then, educate me. What are they?

Emo/screamo would probably best describe them. They whine too much to be considred metal.

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RE: Goth Metal - Metal in general - 1/5/2008 10:01:30 AM

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I heard a radio program once take the dawn of Metal back to a paticular song by the Who. It apperantly was the first use of an intentionally overdriven distorted guitar, but I am sure that is debatable.

My impression of Metalthoery was that it mostly used the 5 interval (also called a power chord) instead of full chords Which give a real dity sound with the distortion. A regular chord is a root, 3rd, and fifth. a Minor Chord is a root, flat 3rd, and fifth. a 5 interval is just root and fifth, so it is neither Major nor Minor, allowing the extensive use of non standard scales(harmonic scales?) But I always liked the Punk end of Metal.

Seeksfem E G B D F# A C is the E minor scale e f# g a b c d e g b is the E minor chord. which can be added to (ie a 7th or 9th 11th ect). To make a Eminor 7th you add the d (the flat 7 of the key) making it a 4 note chord.

Music theory really is fascinating stuff, I have just learned a bit of the baiscs.

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RE: Goth Metal - Metal in general - 1/5/2008 10:13:05 AM

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Which song?

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I heard a radio program once take the dawn of Metal back to a paticular song by the Who. It apperantly was the first use of an intentionally overdriven distorted guitar, but I am sure that is debatable.

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RE: Goth Metal - Metal in general - 1/5/2008 10:19:29 AM

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atreyu is NOT metal! Never mention them again!

Okay, then, educate me. What are they?

Emo/screamo would probably best describe them. They whine too much to be considred metal.

Um - do you have the right band?

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RE: Goth Metal - Metal in general - 1/5/2008 10:27:32 AM

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DR - I would disagree with geoff, and if your talking about Atreyu from OC, they are very much NOT emo. And even if they were - it wouldn't be a bad thing - simply another form of music.

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RE: Goth Metal - Metal in general - 1/5/2008 10:32:01 AM

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atreyu is NOT metal! Never mention them again!

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From: http://www.atreyurock.com/home.html

Embracing new styles of singing and playing, a previously unexplored level of melodicism and a genre-shattering range of instrumentation – including Turkish saz, trumpets, strings, piano, opera vocals and pedal steel guitar – Atreyu have created an exultant disc that expands the parameters of heavy music and unabashedly exposes the band members’ love of ‘80s metal, thrash, industrial, hardcore, alternative and even alt-country. At the same time, Atreyu have written some of the heaviest, most brutal tracks of their career. “Can’t Happen Here” starts with the sound of machine guns, helicopters and screaming children, then breaks into a marching snare beat before bursting into a melodic mix of raging vocals, abrupt rhythmic shifts and a trademark Atreyu monster hook refrain. And just try to find progressions as driving and pounding as “Becoming The Bull,” “Honor” and “Doomsday.”

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RE: Goth Metal - Metal in general - 1/5/2008 10:36:24 AM

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Luckydog: my guess based on LadyE's post that metal music rests on minor chords is wrong .
Youngsubgeoff first mentioned the tritone at the time I was searching the net to see what I could find.

My post expanding on the tri tone I am sure is correct.
Whether in metal music the third is left out I take your word for that lol
Whole tone scales are ambiguous and dissonent enough to allow a good musician to "go" anywhere he damn well feels like .

So first practice the whole tone scale then incorporate the feel into your music.
ps dont aggravate the neighbours.!

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RE: Goth Metal - Metal in general - 1/5/2008 10:43:56 AM

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Im not aggrivating the neighbors, Im making fun of emo kids (come on, kids, your white, middle class, and invent your problems to make yourself feel important).

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RE: Goth Metal - Metal in general - 1/5/2008 10:49:41 AM

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Making fun of people younger than yourself. Nice personality trait you have there.
I would suggest you get out more.

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RE: Goth Metal - Metal in general - 1/5/2008 12:03:52 PM

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sadly, I know many adults like that.... and I dispise them just as much.

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RE: Goth Metal - Metal in general - 1/5/2008 12:12:06 PM

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Metal is my main, although I listen to all types. In the small town I grew up in everyone seemed to know me. My aunt would always get me Ozzy, or the like, for Christmas. The people in the record store knew exactly who she was buying it for...lol

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RE: Goth Metal - Metal in general - 1/5/2008 12:12:51 PM

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Yeah - Well, you despise away at them if it makes you feel big. Personally, I do not waste time 'despising anyone - life rocks too much. Although I do cringe at people with bad ties. But I guess that's just a gag reflex. Go figure huh.

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RE: Goth Metal - Metal in general - 1/5/2008 12:14:00 PM

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Metal sprang up around the use of the diminished fifth - which in earlier days was associated with the devil, and was basically banned from non-secular, and, in many ways, secular music for the longest time.

Yep, the devil's chord....this is what I learned in theory class....was one of the few times that I was awake....lol

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RE: Goth Metal - Metal in general - 1/5/2008 2:15:29 PM

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I personally say Slayer is the god of metal.
If only because they were exactly the same back in the 80's as were Metalica,Kiss,Overkill,Pantera and all the others no one seems to be mentioning. Truth is though I chalk up what metal is to three people...Elvis, and the sex pistols...and that piano player who did a lot of coke, and wore purple all the time..Always forget his name.

If it wasn't for them metal wouldn't exist.
I,m just pissed at Emo rite now.

-Gothic metal is Emo.- Laughs....

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RE: Goth Metal - Metal in general - 1/5/2008 2:19:31 PM

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Right! I did some research - the main result of which is that I now know the fancy names and musical theory behind what I've been playing all this time!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_music

Apparently, the 5th is what we're using in the power chord - and its the chromatic/tritone which makes the devil's music.

Now on guitar again. Thanks people

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RE: Goth Metal - Metal in general - 1/5/2008 2:25:55 PM

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Truth is though I chalk up what metal is to three people...Elvis, and the sex pistols...and that piano player who did a lot of coke, and wore purple all the time..Always forget his name.

Liberace?

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RE: Goth Metal - Metal in general - 1/5/2008 3:06:55 PM

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Right! I did some research - the main result of which is that I now know the fancy names and musical theory behind what I've been playing all this time!
Apparently, the 5th is what we're using in the power chord - and its the chromatic/tritone which makes the devil's music.
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LadyE in this case you must subject yourself to a little discipline
It is the altered 5th not occuring in a normal ie diatonic scale but present in a scale of whole tones that produces the effect.

You have two choices: if you have a good ear for music then plough on regardless.
Otherwise you must learn the whole tone scale ie each note is one tone above the previous one.
Practice OK ?

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