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RE: Calling All Animal Lovers! Please HELP! - 12/30/2007 12:10:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm a big fan of pits, had 7-9 at home at any given time when I was in the deep south.  They aged and have passed on quite a while ago. 

I am not a big fan of adult pits that have to be removed from the origional owner though.  It could be recipe for disaster.  Who knows how it was raised etc. I would require proof of many, many factors ie: witnesses (neighbors, and other). Then and only then would I adopt, yet never thoroughly trust, the animal.  I hope you find a home for him and I hope he was raised obediently-well.

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RE: Calling All Animal Lovers! Please HELP! - 12/30/2007 12:14:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yikes, what's with all the negativity. She asked for help, not for people to smash her hopes of trying to help a poor pet.

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RE: Calling All Animal Lovers! Please HELP! - 12/30/2007 12:23:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		sorry kitty, but it does take a special 'mentality' to raise pitbulls well.

Anyone who has owned them knows this.

Besides, I saw comments that were 'realistic' not negative.

*note: btw, Dalmations and Spaniels are on the top ten list of child-biters, not pits.  We just hear about it more often because of fear monglers.  Other breeds that bite don't seem to be 'newsworthy' enough.  Besides, there is the rumor of the pit retaining a 'lockjaw' affect upon it's victim.  That doesn't help when this finely bred dog is up for adoption.

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RE: Calling All Animal Lovers! Please HELP! - 12/30/2007 12:58:30 PM   
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sorry kitty, but it does take a special 'mentality' to raise pitbulls well.

Anyone who has owned them knows this.

Besides, I saw comments that were 'realistic' not negative.

*note: btw, Dalmations and Spaniels are on the top ten list of child-biters, not pits.  We just hear about it more often because of fear monglers.  Other breeds that bite don't seem to be 'newsworthy' enough.  Besides, there is the rumor of the pit retaining a 'lockjaw' affect upon it's victim.  That doesn't help when this finely bred dog is up for adoption.


Yes, it does take a "special mentality" to raise and care for a Pit Bull.  You have to be able to accept things like:

1. This 50+ lb dog will constantly try to climb up into your lap...nevermind that he/she wont' fit, the dog will TRY to make himself smaller so he CAN fit.

2. You have to understand that this breed will also demonstrate a particular behavior every once in a while that will involve tucking the tail under and running around very fast, cutting circles and flips.  This behavior is known as the "Pit Fit" and usually occurs when the dog realizes that you are fixing to engage him in one or more of his favorite activities (such as going for a walk, ride in the car, frisbie or Kong play).

3.  A Pit Bull is always hungry and will schmooze you for food any time of day.  After the first several days of owning a dog of this breed, you will come to realize that you have adopted a "Bottomless Pit".

And yes, it is a known fact that a shit-eating Cocker Spaniel will bite you quicker than ANY other breed of dog.
One more thing to understand about any type of dog is that a pet will take on the owner's attitude and mentality.  Vicious dog = piece-of-shit owner.  Just as kids are a direct reflection of the parents and the training, or lack thereof, a dog will reflect the training and attitude of its owners.

Best of grace to you, OP, on finding a good home for that Pit, but don't be surprised if your heart gets stolen and you end up keeping him.


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RE: Calling All Animal Lovers! Please HELP! - 12/31/2007 12:50:09 PM   
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This 50+ lb dog will constantly try to climb up into your lap...


50? ha, mine grew to be up and over 100 lbs and they do think their asses only weigh 5 ounces when they sneak on your lap. lol

also, on stupid owners subject, No high-risk pet (edited: from a stray cat to a new pet in your home, lizard pets and any other of many animals) should be allowed (for any time) alone with young children at ALL.

My pooches were never left with my babies unattended no matter how gentle he was with walking on egg shells over one of my infants while they played on the floor. 

The best dogs I have had (faithful, obedient, loving, patient) were pitbulls.  Give them lots of love, time and attention (as well as their free-space running time). uhh, and yes, 50 lbs of dog food per week, never let em run out of food lol, they are often ravenous. (explains their fat-asses haha)


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RE: Calling All Animal Lovers! Please HELP! - 1/5/2008 1:26:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		why is it that every pitbull owner says the same thing, "she/he is a sweetheart"
Fact of the matter is.  Just like my Jack Russell that comes from many generations
of domestic breeding, she will hunt a mouse or other small furry creature instantly !
Like a beagle, breeded for their hunting abilities.  Ever see a German Shepard on a
farm, they will naturally herd and patrol the farm.
The questions with Pitbull isn't if they will bite/attack, but rather when they will.  It's what
they are, a fighting dog.  Drop it off at the local trailer park, someone will claim it quickly.

BTW, if your insurance company finds out you have a Pitbull, your policy is cancelled.
If your landlord finds out, you're evicted, some communities have outlawed them too...
gee, wonder why, such sweethearts and all.

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RE: Calling All Animal Lovers! Please HELP! - 1/5/2008 1:33:18 PM   
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Thanks for all the negativity.  Actually, I FOUND/fostered the dog for several days until I found a new owner through this site.  He assured me that the dog will go to a loving home.  I personally own a Jack Russell myself, but I am a dog...well, animal lover...in general.   I had a Great Dane before her.  And to whomever posted about the Pit "stealing my heart"...he did.  It was hard to see him go.  Even the boy from this site that took him immediately got attached to him as well.  He also agreed that he was a "sweetheart."  I know that the person who took him will assume responsibility for him and you are right, I don't know the dog's background and that it why I asked that someone with no other pets or children take him.   That being said, you can't be certain that ANY dog won't attack/bite/harm someone...there are websites out there that have info. on Pomeranians and "Doxies" attacking and killing infants. Albeit, more likely a larger breed will do so.  I'm just happy that someone had the heart/fortitude to give this dog a chance at life!

Be well,
M. Diva   

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RE: Calling All Animal Lovers! Please HELP! - 1/5/2008 1:34:51 PM   
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why is it that every pitbull owner says the same thing, "she/he is a sweetheart"


why? because the animal led his/her entire life and never hurt a soul.

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Fact of the matter is.  Just like my Jack Russell that comes from many generations
of domestic breeding, she will hunt a mouse or other small furry creature instantly ! 


these little 'yaps' bite more than pitbulls, it is just not advertised as newsworthy. 

quote:

The questions with Pitbull isn't if they will bite/attack, but rather when they will.  It's what
they are, a fighting dog.


On a farm expect a bite if you tresspass. A noise-maker dog is useless without a good jaw.  Besides, terriers make a good mid-day snack.

laffs

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quote:

I don't know the dog's background and that it why I asked that someone with no other pets or children take him.  

congrats gothic, glad you found him a one-owner home. 


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RE: Calling All Animal Lovers! Please HELP! - 1/5/2008 1:40:56 PM   
SadisticMan


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Status: offline 		yes I agree and apologize to to Pit lovers, but there is a social price with these dogs
and you all know that when you got them, that's why some have to have a Pit.
Personally I have known several Pit sand found them to be nice dogs,  none were
aggressive towards me. I've been near 3 chows and all 3 bit me, the one taking me
off work for a month with a pretty severe bite to my leg.  Pits are not the worst attackers
and maybe yours never will.  I am truely a dog lover and help with rescues.  But some dogs are not worth it to me.
Unfortunely, Pits and those fighting breeds have been abused for a long time, and I feel
sorry for what is a sound and good pet being treated that way and raised to be mean.
Maybe it is all in the puppy bonding stages that sets the stage for that genepool.



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RE: Calling All Animal Lovers! Please HELP! - 1/5/2008 1:42:58 PM   
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Sure, I'll trade you a Cobra for him!


I'll happily take the cobra.  Unfortunately you're probably joking.  Tease. 

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RE: Calling All Animal Lovers! Please HELP! - 1/5/2008 1:43:22 PM   
SadisticMan


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Fact of the matter is.  Just like my Jack Russell that comes from many generations
of domestic breeding, she will hunt a mouse or other small furry creature instantly ! 


these little 'yaps' bite more than pitbulls, it is just not advertised as newsworthy. 



You show me a mean Jack Russell and I'll give you a dollar.  No such thing.

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RE: Calling All Animal Lovers! Please HELP! - 1/5/2008 1:46:13 PM   
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Maybe it is all in the puppy bonding stages that sets the stage for that genepool.


I currently have a second cat (he adopted US and won't leave lol) who was most likely abused beforehand.  Just touching him often brings about a nasty swirl-around with claws and a bite.

Any animal (like humans) can be tempermentally-challenged if abused at a young age or any age actually.

Thus why I earlier posted the 'one owner' policy, make a commitment when you purchase an animal and be prepared to train it with a mutual respect between owner and animal and eachother's space.

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RE: Calling All Animal Lovers! Please HELP! - 1/5/2008 1:54:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		yes it is.  The crying shame is that so many dogs are cast aside or raised by idiots then
become unable to be handled.  What always confused me is the dogs you see tied up
way out back, and everytime you go by, the dog is there alone with his bowl tilted over.
I choose my dog carefully, knowing he/she will be my family until the day I have to put
him down, but let's not go there.......
Humans and dogs are like peas in a pod.  Treat them well, that could be you in your next life.

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RE: Calling All Animal Lovers! Please HELP! - 1/5/2008 2:23:53 PM   
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raised by idiots


blame the idiots, not the animal.

Any animal is quite capable of attacking, it must take fortitude not to, more than humans have.  There are more humans in jail than dogs on earth.




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RE: Calling All Animal Lovers! Please HELP! - 1/5/2008 2:49:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Most people are probably thinking from the perspective of animals as pets, family members or casual household ornaments.  That's fine when you're keeping finches and kittens, and can run you into real trouble when you're talking about animals with the capacity to cause significant injury. If it has a mouth it can bite, and if it has a big mouth it can take a big bite.  That's a baseline biological fact even if you believe that your pet would "never do that".  You would probably even be right most of the time, but instinctive behaviors can be triggered in almost any animal under the right (or wrong) set of circumstances.  Are you prepared?

Here's a professional perspective on working with animals in captivity.  I think it would do pet owners a whole lot of good to consider it, even if they are only keeping dogs and cats and maybe things like large parrots or harmless snakes. 

Keeping an animal in captivity means providing adequate and secure housing to prevent escape or mishap, addressing its environmental and nutritional needs, and working out a protocol for human interaction.  That generally includes safety equipment and some form of protected or semi-protected contact.  Some animals can be worked by experienced keepers in free contact, but backup safety procedures are always ready in case of an incident.  Even an animal that is well habituated to unprotected contact with humans may respond unexpectedly if something changes in the environment that the keeper cannot predict or control.  Eg, if the animal is startled by some outside stimulus such as a thunderclap or a spectator shouting or throwing something, or if the animal is in discomfort from an unexpected injury or illness.

It is absolutely appropriate to take these standards and apply them to large dogs, particularly breeds and individuals with the potential for causing injury.  Professional housing standards for large and potentially dangerous animals does *not* mean keeping the animal in a locked cage and never allowing free contact.  It does mean being fully aware of the animal's potential for causing injury under  certain circumstances that can trigger aggressive, defensive or feeding related behavior, taking steps to mitigate that potential, and having well thought out safety procedures in place in case of an incident. 

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RE: Calling All Animal Lovers! Please HELP! - 1/5/2008 4:05:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		well I must admit that my opinion of Pitbulls is driven by hype and bad propaganda.
There certainly is a lot of testimonials for Pits and being a man with an open mind
I will admit that I am probably wrong about Pits and they must be good pets,
certainly provoking responses that I feel towards my dog. 
Only a really good animal can do that.

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RE: Calling All Animal Lovers! Please HELP! - 1/5/2008 4:26:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Pit Bull" is NOT a breed. It's a generic term often used to describe all dogs with similar traits and characteristics often known by the public as "pit bulls".  Perhaps it would do you (and the dog) some good to read up a bit about such dogs and post the AKC-closest breed name for the dog.  There have actually been boxers euthanized by overzellous county officials thinking they were 'pit bulls'.  Or...call it a mut.
 
<glares at popeye> Lordy I hate that kind of knee-jerk thinking!
 
When I decided to get an LGD, an Akbash Dog specifically, I found mine when he was about a year old...online.  Sure, he was a couple hours away, but I found exactly the dog I wanted!   Lots of people who raise dogs do rescue-work for their breed; contact local breeders of anything that looks like this dog; my dog was saved by a Pyr breeder!  (they look similar)
 
Good luck,
Beverly
 
PS:  German Shepherd Dogs, Rotties, Dobbies and especially Great Danes (dogs I've had...I'm sure there are many, many more) can be such sweet dogs; yet at one time not so very long ago were so maligned that some had to wear muzzles to be in a dog show.  Go figure!  I've been around plenty such dogs as the OP has fostered.  Good on her!

Edited to add upon reading the above post:  It is the opinion of many experienced persons that NO child (or small animal) be left without supervision in the company of a dog.  ALL dogs are strong, quick and any one of them can be unpredictable. 
 
My own dog, a very large (30” at shoulder) is a sweetheart…loves people including children around whom he is sweet and deliberately slow, seems fearless (runs off bears by himself), likes cats, chickens, deer, children and usually other dogs.  Occasionally, who knows why, he can put one in its place in a heartbeat (it’s almost scary, but he’s never even drawn blood).  While he pretty much ignored my rabbits, he will catch and eat a ground squirrel or some other small creature with great relish. He looks like this ho-de-do dog, but he’s VERY fast!   
 
In my mind, it would be unconscionable to leave him alone for any length of time with a small child; yet, everybody loves him.
 

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RE: Calling All Animal Lovers! Please HELP! - 1/5/2008 5:40:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		 American Pit Bull Terriers aka the pit bull, yes many dog breeds are put in the same catagory as them, Ive had many pits, bred and sold them and had them put down, most are really good dogs. I have seen prices from $50 to 25,000 depending on where you look and their status in this world. people who abuse any animal will get a fear biter not a dog who chases you down and chews on you, fighting pits are bred not to make any noise and  have a high pain threshhold you cant teach them these things they either have them or dont, they normally are not human aggressive because their handlers dont want to get bit, quite often these dogs cant be around other dogs even as pups. pit bulls that are used for hunting are the same except they dont want them as dog aggressive because they hunt them with hounds but they do want a dog who can catch and hold an animal 5 times its size but has the ability to hold on even under an extreame thrashing, picture holding a wild pig by the nose. they hunt them with hound because they bark and it carries for miles so you can find them. pits tend to be great family dogs but can get attached to only one person like a child or your wife and if you raise your voice to that other person you run the risk of that dog protecting them so then people say the dog snapped or you get one with a huge prey drive and anything smaller gets got. I love pit bulls but I wouldnt adopt one and bring it home. I would talk to the owners who have bred their dogs and ask about their blood lines if they can tell me 2 generations back off the tiop of their heads I would probably buy a dog from them, understand thats a lot of dogs to remember but that person did their home work and know their dogs, someone who says they have champions in their lines shouldnt be breeding dogs 

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RE: Calling All Animal Lovers! Please HELP! - 1/5/2008 5:51:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I used to be asked by neighbors if our dog was a pit, I replied 'no,no, it is a Stafforshire Terrier'. lol, the look of relief on thier faces was plenty entertainment for the day.   

anyhoo, training is crutial at a young age (the first 3-6 months).  My large males 100 lbs+ were trained to not jump on women or children at all, even if excited to see us.  Men, well, sure, he was always around Marines that he could rough-house with.  He was distrusting of civilians, especially with ballcaps, yet loved a man in uniform (cap included). Barking was not a problem, they were taught to only bark if something is quite important enough to bark at (strange vehicle approaching the farm etc). 

Training should not be stressful for the owner or the pet, stress causes personality conflicts within the animal.

I would take one in a heartbeat, but there is a new muzzle law and I find muzzles cruel.  Our mayor needs the muzzle.

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RE: Calling All Animal Lovers! Please HELP! - 1/5/2008 6:04:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Again its how the dog is trained,In hood you see them fought in the alleys for a few bucks and stealing small dogs and cats to use as bait...Theses dog have the mean trait but it must be bought out in them...I hunt bear and hoggs,always have a pit or two around to make a mean bear climb and a mean hog come to terms with his capture..Any dog can be mean.ITS how you raise them,my pack of hounds and pit will not fight each other they have had the law laid down at an early age...

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