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RE: Masochist verse Sadist Round 1! - 12/24/2007 7:13:56 PM

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The worse pain for me is emotional pain...the pain of physical pain denial, the pain of spearation, the pain of lack of aftercare, the pain of jealosuy.
I call him MrB for bastard as he knows the worse pain to create for me.

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RE: Masochist verse Sadist Round 1! - 12/24/2007 8:49:06 PM

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I consider myself a Sadist and eyesopened is definately NOT a masochist. For me to truly enjoy my efforts in inflicting pain I need to see her suffer, i need to see her endure the pain out of love and seeing me pleased. I don't get off on giving a maso what they crave. I get off on having this gorgeous corporate type mother of 2 endure all kinds of vial shit. But then again I'm a sick bastard. -smirk-

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RE: Masochist verse Sadist Round 1! - 12/24/2007 9:33:14 PM

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However, there are times that I do want just a service oriented non masochistic (spank me because I serve) play partner. I'm going through that in my mind now. I don't want my partner to be that but there has been times I needed that fix. When I go the club and see a grrl that wants no small talk, no power exchange nothing but "Shut up and beat me."

One can be both a service oriented submissive and be a masochist that is ok with being beaten... although in the relationship that I have with my Daddy, the power dynamic is always present

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RE: Masochist verse Sadist Round 1! - 12/25/2007 1:18:36 AM

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Reading the posts and thinking about this thread a bit more, something comes to mind. Many submissives have an aspect where they want dangerous extreme pain and fear, but they also have a practical, careful side of self preservation and never let a Dom do such things.

This level headedness doesn’t stop the desire for a guy who is going to really do things to them they don’t want and can’t take. The desire may only be held to the fantasy realm, but if a trusted, sadistic Dom is able to carefully give that extreme beating every now and then beyond the usual play the masochistic submissive is going to reach another level of fantasy fulfillment and satisfaction. She bonds with her Dom much more. This play beyond her comfort zone is a valuable part of the relationship.

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RE: Masochist verse Sadist Round 1! - 12/25/2007 9:29:19 AM

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I wonder about the narrow aspect of some people thinking only a serive sub would want to suffer for a partner. Must be some sort of projection. I've had play partners who had absolutley no desire to be controlled outside of the bedroom. But who did have a need for being pushed to extremes of various sorts......

But as part of service-no way. They just wanted the thrill-not the role playing thing.

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RE: Masochist verse Sadist Round 1! - 12/25/2007 7:27:35 PM

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ORIGINAL: Kostly
If you want to be sadistic with a Masochist, put a cloths pin or two on the clit. That usually is more pain then they enjoy!

Oh, please! i've been doing that to myself for years, just for the wonderful sensation it gives me, when i didn't have a sadist in my life to do it to me. Pain, like all sensations, is very much subjective. No two people are going to respond exactly the same way. What feels horribly painful to one, will feel delightfully enjoyable to another.

my Master doesn't whip me daily, partly because it's simply not practical to do but, mostly because He doesn't want me to become desensitized to the pain. He wants it to HURT me (more than it hurts Him).

He has been telling me, lately, that He is going to give me a 'good' beating. He won't say when or where or anything else. But, i know it's coming and, it's been quite awhile since the last one so, i have no doubt that it will hurt and i will be in tears and will scream - both things that He truly loves for me to do.

He's not going to beat me to punish me or to discipline me. He's going to beat me for the erotic pleasure that it gives him. That's the bottom line for why He enjoys beating me. He does know that i get very turned-on by it, too, and that i will get enjoyment from it. But, that fact, in and of itself, will have no bearing on His enjoyment in causing me pain. He enjoys the fact that it gets me so sexually excited because He knows how much i hate that it does. He loves the fact that my body betrays me and demonstrates how much i enjoy it.

On a daily basis, and whenever He feels like it, He will pinch me, pull my hair, and slap me, just to see me jump or cringe and hear me moan or whimper. Those hurt me, too, since He doesn't do anything gently or lightly. And, i do enjoy those sensations, also.

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Clothespegs are some of the most useful domestic implements I know
yes great for hanging out the washing and on the clit, labia and nipples, excrutiating when put on and worse when removed.
I identify with all you said slavegirljoy especially the not knowing when the beating is going to come.
I do not live with my previous Dom and so it kind of took the edge of the not knowing but worse of all was going to his expecting a beating and not getting it abd being asked to leave instead.......
Ahhhh the joys of sadism..........

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RE: Masochist verse Sadist Round 1! - 12/25/2007 8:36:17 PM

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ORIGINAL: Kostly

Anyone else feel this way about their sadistic side?

I find it interesting that when one says "I am a Sadist".. that people often equate that to mean that such person "Only" enjoys causing pain"

Or... equally interesting "I am a Masocist" and people equate that to be all pain is pleasurable.

The truth is that it is rare that a Sadist enjoys to cause sensations that are "Always" painful to another or that a Masocist finds "All" pain to be pleasurable.

I have alot of enjoyment in causing various sensations... often I enjoy it when these sensations are preceived by me to be painful for my play partners. However, I do on occassion take enjoy of causing sensations that will cause pleasurable sensations for my play partners.

There is a whole world of sensations out their... having a couple interesting and unqiue masocist slaves in my life and many past experiences with other masocist individuals... I have learned the greatest masocist will always have sensations that will be precieved as painful.. the trick is to find that button.

What makes the best partner for a Sadist... that all depends on the Sadist! For a person is alot more than Just a Sadist. I suppose some are stuck in a linear thinking and find it difficult to appreciate that a Sadist is a Dynamic person with a variety of aspects to their personality and character.

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RE: Masochist verse Sadist Round 1! - 12/26/2007 12:46:24 AM

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ORIGINAL: Prinsexx

Clothespegs are some of the most useful domestic implements I know
yes great for hanging out the washing and on the clit, labia and nipples, excrutiating when put on and worse when removed.
I identify with all you said slavegirljoy especially the not knowing when the beating is going to come.
I do not live with my previous Dom and so it kind of took the edge of the not knowing but worse of all was going to his expecting a beating and not getting it abd being asked to leave instead.......
Ahhhh the joys of sadism..........

Mmm clothes pegs....no reason not to use them in both capacities at once. Hang lingerie from the nipples and clit and make her stand on tip toes to catch the breeze. Or have her carry them around to dry while you have her wash the rest of the laundry.
That would be fun to watch, and of course you have to pull them off now and then to check to see if they're dry.
Now that's laundry service!

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RE: Masochist verse Sadist Round 1! - 12/26/2007 8:17:50 AM

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

What makes the best partner for a Sadist... that all depends on the Sadist! For a person is alot more than Just a Sadist. I suppose some are stuck in a linear thinking and find it difficult to appreciate that a Sadist is a Dynamic person with a variety of aspects to their personality and character.

I agree. The sky is falling crowd seem to focus more on the negative than postive aspects. Just because someone enjoys sadism as part of thier kink, does not mean by default that is all they have to offer.

The same way as it does not make them have to be a "master".

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RE: Masochist verse Sadist Round 1! - 12/26/2007 12:46:44 PM

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However, there are times that I do want just a service oriented non masochistic (spank me because I serve) play partner. I'm going through that in my mind now. I don't want my partner to be that but there has been times I needed that fix. When I go the club and see a grrl that wants no small talk, no power exchange nothing but "Shut up and beat me."

One can be both a service oriented submissive and be a masochist that is ok with being beaten... although in the relationship that I have with my Daddy, the power dynamic is always present

That's true but it's a different dynamic. To me it's more of a loving power exchange dynamic when I am in a relationship with a service oriented submissive that is a masochist that I am in a relationship with (I've had 2 relationships with people like that). That dynamic is about the exchange and connection.

The dynamic with a service grrl who I just want to be beat and she wants to be beaten isn't about that dynamic to me. It's about me wanting to get off on her and I'd suspect it's the same dynamic with her.

I have however went to troll for that fix where the scene DID turn into a deeper dynamic than the standard fix.

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