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Lakota Withdraw from All US Treaties... - 12/20/2007 11:28:22 AM

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Parts of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming -- Renounce US Citizenship, Join Lakota Nation, don't pay US Taxes...

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Descendants_of_Sitting_Bull_Crazy_Horse_1220.html

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RE: Lakota Withdraw from All US Treaties... - 12/20/2007 11:49:40 AM

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i had, maybe still have, an opportunity for employment in lakota country.... tax free income sounds nice. Why'd you have to start this thread and get me thinking about it again lol.

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RE: Lakota Withdraw from All US Treaties... - 12/20/2007 11:51:47 AM

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well can't say i really blame them any.i know form growing up in teh Pacific Northwest we always had the joke that Oregon,Washington and Alaska would break off and become their own nation.

so,if they can do that successfully than i say go for it!

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RE: Lakota Withdraw from All US Treaties... - 12/20/2007 11:52:04 AM

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Very interesting article. I very much await further developments.

Thanks FB.

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RE: Lakota Withdraw from All US Treaties... - 12/20/2007 11:56:52 AM

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Wait. How do they figure they are unheard? Ya mean the settlers are not allowed to annx them?

But we need to land. we want to build a mall! ssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

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RE: Lakota Withdraw from All US Treaties... - 12/20/2007 12:07:03 PM

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If the US can bail out of the ABM treaty, why can't the Lakota bail out of theirs?

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RE: Lakota Withdraw from All US Treaties... - 12/20/2007 1:42:25 PM

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Those treaties were signed to end undeclared war. Does this mean that Lakota Country is again at war with the US?

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RE: Lakota Withdraw from All US Treaties... - 12/20/2007 1:48:25 PM

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Fascinating programme on BBC radio 4 this morning, as I was driving on "santa run, day 2" for work.

It was about how the highest number of recruits to the US armed forces by ethnicity, are Native Americans. Albeit, that the broadcast was made from Arizona rather than further north. The main reason given for it, by veterans and aspiring recruits alike was that there was just nothing else to do to get on in life for them, though much was also made of the warrior identity of the peoples concerned.

Its a strange one. They join the army by which they were done over in the first place, to fight for a country which provides so little for them in the way of providing opportunity, that they have to join that army.

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RE: Lakota Withdraw from All US Treaties... - 12/20/2007 1:55:42 PM

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quote:

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Those treaties were signed to end undeclared war. Does this mean that Lakota Country is again at war with the US?

Nothing of the kind.

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RE: Lakota Withdraw from All US Treaties... - 12/20/2007 2:10:49 PM

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Good luck with that, I hope they stored up a hell of a lot of food & medicine.
What will they do for industry? Or an economy, I really don't think selling beads on the side of the road reap in the big bucks.

What will they do for goods if the U.S. embargo's them? Gotta have money to buy from Canada.

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RE: Lakota Withdraw from All US Treaties... - 12/20/2007 2:39:29 PM

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Good luck with that, I hope they stored up a hell of a lot of food & medicine.
What will they do for industry? Or an economy, I really don't think selling beads on the side of the road reap in the big bucks.

What will they do for goods if the U.S. embargo's them? Gotta have money to buy from Canada.

Taken from the article:
'Oppression at the hands of the US government has taken its toll on the Lakota, whose men have one of the shortest life expectancies -- less than 44 years -- in the world.
Lakota teen suicides are 150 percent above the norm for the United States; infant mortality is five times higher than the US average; and unemployment is rife, according to the Lakota freedom movement's website.
"Our people want to live, not just survive or crawl and be mascots," said Young.'

Native Americans haven't much at all in the way of industry, they have become cultures of alcoholism & low education. It takes very little research to find out what has been going on for too long. At least we no longer take their children away and send them to schools to break the tie of their heritage.
If this in any way can change things for the good I am all for it. I do not think that this will work though, but I wish for it to be a success.

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RE: Lakota Withdraw from All US Treaties... - 12/20/2007 2:46:10 PM

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Much what I understood Jenny (Camille!)

And it brings a question to my mind. If businesses are "allowing" immigrants to come in and work for low wages - then why do they not rather employ Native Americans who presumably would also work for low wages? I'm in no way a supporter of low wages, but given theyre paid anyway, the question remains.

And another question. As I understand it, the reservations are separate from general US laws on taxation and so on? In that case, why do businesses not locate within the reservations (at the request / agreement of the residents) to take advantage of tax exemption etc, and so bring employment to the reservations?

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RE: Lakota Withdraw from All US Treaties... - 12/20/2007 2:50:14 PM

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I don't know why things are never fixed in this area, I just don't. Every time I do a bit more research I find more unhappiness in the whole situation. I started out doing basic research when I found out that my great great grandmother was a full blood Indian, that intrigued me and I began to read.It feels like there is just a giant gap and I really don't know how it can be fixed or why it hasn't been. Obviously the casino gambit didn't work. *All I want for Christmas is to be able to fix everything wrong in the world*

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RE: Lakota Withdraw from All US Treaties... - 12/20/2007 3:07:41 PM

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Much what I understood Jenny (Camille!)

And it brings a question to my mind. If businesses are "allowing" immigrants to come in and work for low wages - then why do they not rather employ Native Americans who presumably would also work for low wages? I'm in no way a supporter of low wages, but given theyre paid anyway, the question remains.

And another question. As I understand it, the reservations are separate from general US laws on taxation and so on? In that case, why do businesses not locate within the reservations (at the request / agreement of the residents) to take advantage of tax exemption etc, and so bring employment to the reservations?

Immigrants go to the areas where there is work. There is nothing in the part of the country where the Lakota live. There is no business in that part of the country. Why would a business relocate to their reservations? The Lakota don't have anything to offer. Unlike many tribes across the United States, the Lakota never adapted to modern times. Their claims of treaty breaking are a little laughable, because they are not the original inhabitants of the lands they now occupy. The Lakota were warlike, and they either killed off or scared off the tribes that lived there before.

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RE: Lakota Withdraw from All US Treaties... - 12/20/2007 3:16:51 PM

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Their claims of treaty breaking are a little laughable, because they are not the original inhabitants of the lands they now occupy. The Lakota were warlike, and they either killed off or scared off the tribes that lived there before.

Cant help but pick up on the irony of this!

OK - lets ignore the Lakota for a moment, and pose my questions in relation to the most accomodating peoples?

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RE: Lakota Withdraw from All US Treaties... - 12/20/2007 3:49:31 PM

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I'm not sure what you mean by the most accomadating peoples. Many Indian tribes are quite prosperous. Oklahoma which has the most Indian tribes has a booming economy at the moment. Those tribes there have benefitted greatly from that economy.

I am not excusing what whites did to Indians at all. But it's in the past, we can't change it. There is not a person alive today that swung a calvary sabre at a Native American. One of the reasons that you hear about the large percentages of Indians joining the military is not because of poverty. It's because many people that have only a fraction of Indian ancestory are claiming Native American ancestory in their paperwork. My great-great-great grandmother was a Cherokee Indian, but I don't ever claim that when I am asked about ethnicity. I refuse to answer the question at all on job applications or the like because it shouldn't matter. By law, I don't have to answer that question. But some people are so desperate to belong to something, that they feel the need to identify with one portion of their heritage. The Irish call people here that do that plastic paddies. It's the same thing with people claiming Indian heritage while ignoring the rest of their bloodline.

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RE: Lakota Withdraw from All US Treaties... - 12/20/2007 3:49:55 PM

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Their website: Lokata Freedom

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RE: Lakota Withdraw from All US Treaties... - 12/20/2007 6:31:22 PM

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Good luck with that, I hope they stored up a hell of a lot of food & medicine.
What will they do for industry? Or an economy, I really don't think selling beads on the side of the road reap in the big bucks.

What will they do for goods if the U.S. embargo's them? Gotta have money to buy from Canada.

subrob:
Thanks to people like you they do not have industry or an economy. They don't have any beads or a road to sell them on.
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RE: Lakota Withdraw from All US Treaties... - 12/20/2007 6:54:12 PM

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I'm not sure what you mean by the most accomadating peoples. Many Indian tribes are quite prosperous.
Just how many is many? Just how prosperous is quite prosperous? Could you tell us just how many tribes there are in the U.S.? Could you tell us the median income of the 100 most prosperous tribes? Could you tell us the median income is of all Native Americans living on reservations?

Oklahoma which has the most Indian tribes has a booming economy at the moment. Those tribes there have benefitted greatly from that economy.
You mean the ones who have oil under their land? Perhaps you might compare and contrast their income with white people who also own oil land.

I am not excusing what whites did to Indians at all. But it's in the past, we can't change it.
It would also appear that honoring those treaties that our ancestors signed is also in the past.

There is not a person alive today that swung a calvary sabre at a Native American.
Quite true but there and many alive today who benefit from that saber swinging.

One of the reasons that you hear about the large percentages of Indians joining the military is not because of poverty. It's because many people that have only a fraction of Indian ancestory are claiming Native American ancestory in their paperwork.
Would you happen to know what that fraction might be that allows one to claim Native American status?

My great-great-great grandmother was a Cherokee Indian, but I don't ever claim that when I am asked about ethnicity.
Is this where we put you up for sainthood?

I refuse to answer the question at all on job applications or the like because it shouldn't matter. By law, I don't have to answer that question. But some people are so desperate to belong to something, that they feel the need to identify with one portion of their heritage.
Isn't that more than a bit presumptuous to speak for so many people that you do not even know?

The Irish call people here that do that plastic paddies.
How could you possibly know all the Irish?

It's the same thing with people claiming Indian heritage while ignoring the rest of their bloodline.
If you had "undesirable" elements in your heritage would you proudly claim them. Would you proudly claim the heritage of Torquemada or Hitler if they existed in your family tree?

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RE: Lakota Withdraw from All US Treaties... - 12/20/2007 7:04:37 PM

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It was about how the highest number of recruits to the US armed forces by
Its a strange one. They join the army by which they were done over in the first place, to fight for a country which provides so little for them in the way of providing opportunity, that they have to join that army.

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How do you mean, "providing opportunity" ? I live in Mt. Pleasant, MI, a stone's throw away from an Indian reservation and its accompanying casino.

They get free college, don't have to pay any taxes, get money from the government as well as the booming casino, on reservation land they're free of any and all US laws. All the while they get to drive around in their land-raping Hummers and Navigators and Tahoes, looking down on us white folks because we're oppressing them.

Now, maybe Indians are treated differently from state to state, but I know in Michigan they've got it good. They get the world on a platter, and STILL get to parade themselves as victims of something that happened decades ago to someone else.

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