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RE: Lakota Withdraw from All US Treaties... - 12/20/2007 7:13:58 PM

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Thanks to people like you they do not have industry or an economy. They don't have any beads or a road to sell them on.
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Yep us big ole mean German/Irish/Scots (who's Grandparents immigrated in the 1920's) are to blame for the Lakota Nation wanting to remain in the 18th century.

If my relatives were smart enough to relocate to a more prosperous climate, why the hell couldn't the Lakotas?

I really don't feel bad for people who would rather sit around in trailers, drinking their life away while living on welfare. Go to school, get an education, and get a job.

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RE: Lakota Withdraw from All US Treaties... - 12/20/2007 7:43:49 PM

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Thanks to people like you they do not have industry or an economy. They don't have any beads or a road to sell them on.
thompson

Yep us big ole mean German/Irish/Scots (who's Grandparents immigrated in the 1920's) are to blame for the Lakota Nation wanting to remain in the 18th century.

If my relatives were smart enough to relocate to a more prosperous climate, why the hell couldn't the Lakotas?

It would appear that you are saying that your way is the only way and anyone who does not buy into it is wrong and deserves to be subjugated.
As for your relatives being smart enough to relocate...that sounds very like a euphemism for not being smart enough to make a living in their own homeland.
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I really don't feel bad for people who would rather sit around in trailers, drinking their life away while living on welfare. Go to school, get an education, and get a job.
It would appear that you do not know very much about what you are talking about.
Perhaps if the U.S. government had kept its part of the treaty the current sad state of affairs would not exist.

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RE: Lakota Withdraw from All US Treaties... - 12/20/2007 7:51:19 PM

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It was about how the highest number of recruits to the US armed forces by
Its a strange one. They join the army by which they were done over in the first place, to fight for a country which provides so little for them in the way of providing opportunity, that they have to join that army.

E

How do you mean, "providing opportunity" ? I live in Mt. Pleasant, MI, a stone's throw away from an Indian reservation and its accompanying casino.

They get free college, don't have to pay any taxes, get money from the government as well as the booming casino, on reservation land they're free of any and all US laws. All the while they get to drive around in their land-raping Hummers and Navigators and Tahoes, looking down on us white folks because we're oppressing them.

Now, maybe Indians are treated differently from state to state, but I know in Michigan they've got it good. They get the world on a platter, and STILL get to parade themselves as victims of something that happened decades ago to someone else.

lazarus:
Perhaps you might want to read the treaty and the history behind it. I promise you it will change your opinion.
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RE: Lakota Withdraw from All US Treaties... - 12/20/2007 8:02:56 PM

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It was about how the highest number of recruits to the US armed forces by
Its a strange one. They join the army by which they were done over in the first place, to fight for a country which provides so little for them in the way of providing opportunity, that they have to join that army.

E

How do you mean, "providing opportunity" ? I live in Mt. Pleasant, MI, a stone's throw away from an Indian reservation and its accompanying casino.

They get free college, don't have to pay any taxes, get money from the government as well as the booming casino, on reservation land they're free of any and all US laws. All the while they get to drive around in their land-raping Hummers and Navigators and Tahoes, looking down on us white folks because we're oppressing them.

Now, maybe Indians are treated differently from state to state, but I know in Michigan they've got it good. They get the world on a platter, and STILL get to parade themselves as victims of something that happened decades ago to someone else.

I can tell you that not all Native Americans have got it good as you say. From your words you would think that being descended from 2 Native American tribes should allow me to have the good life, but I can tell you that isn't the case. Not only did I have to pay flat out for college, with NO government help!, I still have to pay taxes, I don't get money from the government, nor am I free from all the US laws. I am Native Aerican and African American, and the only thing I have ever gotten because of my heritage is pride.

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RE: Lakota Withdraw from All US Treaties... - 12/20/2007 10:03:30 PM

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Parts of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming -- Renounce US Citizenship, Join Lakota Nation, don't pay US Taxes...

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Descendants_of_Sitting_Bull_Crazy_Horse_1220.html

I hope like hell they-- along with Vermont-- pull it off. But then one has to really wonder if Hiliary gets elected, she might just bring Janet Reno back as the AG

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RE: Lakota Withdraw from All US Treaties... - 12/21/2007 5:07:13 AM

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Thanks to people like you they do not have industry or an economy. They don't have any beads or a road to sell them on.
thompson

What are the going to do for an economy? For industry? You haven't answered the question. Are they going to turn South Dakota into a giant Vegas style casino?

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It would appear that you are saying that your way is the only way and anyone who does not buy into it is wrong and deserves to be subjugated.
As for your relatives being smart enough to relocate...that sounds very like a euphemism for not being smart enough to make a living in their own homeland.

I simply stated that if you can't make a living in your current climate, move to somewhere you can. It's worked for millions of people, why not the Souix?

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It would appear that you do not know very much about what you are talking about.
Perhaps if the U.S. government had kept its part of the treaty the current sad state of affairs would not exist.

Maybe if we send all the illegal aliens & the spawn they had here, back to where they belong, we could afford to give away millions of square acres of land to a tribe of "native Americans", until that time, quit whining, stop living in 1855 & assimilate.

I've lived among the native Americans in New Mexico, have you?

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RE: Lakota Withdraw from All US Treaties... - 12/21/2007 5:10:48 AM

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Well, what is Trinidad and Tobago going to do for an economy?

It is rather unwieldy to command another soveriegn nation.

If they want to turn it into a casino, they may have to fight Nevada, it could go over pretty well on pay per view, and there are residuals to consider.

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RE: Lakota Withdraw from All US Treaties... - 12/21/2007 11:05:52 AM

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It was about how the highest number of recruits to the US armed forces by
Its a strange one. They join the army by which they were done over in the first place, to fight for a country which provides so little for them in the way of providing opportunity, that they have to join that army.

E

How do you mean, "providing opportunity" ? I live in Mt. Pleasant, MI, a stone's throw away from an Indian reservation and its accompanying casino.

They get free college, don't have to pay any taxes, get money from the government as well as the booming casino, on reservation land they're free of any and all US laws. All the while they get to drive around in their land-raping Hummers and Navigators and Tahoes, looking down on us white folks because we're oppressing them.

Now, maybe Indians are treated differently from state to state, but I know in Michigan they've got it good. They get the world on a platter, and STILL get to parade themselves as victims of something that happened decades ago to someone else.

Free college ... The tuition is free for state recognized tribal members who go to a state run school. Lab fees, books, school fees ... those aren't automatically covered. And as anyone who goes to college can attest, those fees can often cost more than the tuition.

That "free college" was a compromise treaty due to the closing of the various native schools around the state.

We don't have to pay taxes? That's news to me. I'd be saving thousands a year if that were the case.

What money from the government? All money I receive (above my wages and va disability checks) comes from the tribe.

As for not being accountable to any US laws while on rez land ... might want to doublecheck on that boyo.

I'll admit to the fact that a lot of us don't take kindly to the image that the saginaw bands over on your end of the state give the rest of us. But DO NOT lump what they do and get away with as being the normal around the state.

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RE: Lakota Withdraw from All US Treaties... - 12/21/2007 11:16:04 AM

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Uh, I just paid those fees for my daughter, and it came to $35. It depends on the degree and the college. So glad we have the Hope Scholarship and Grant here in Georgia.

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RE: Lakota Withdraw from All US Treaties... - 12/21/2007 11:16:15 AM

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They get free college, don't have to pay any taxes, get money from the government as well as the booming casino, on reservation land they're free of any and all US laws. All the while they get to drive around in their land-raping Hummers and Navigators and Tahoes, looking down on us white folks because we're oppressing them.

Yeah, but the down side is having to claim Ward Churchill...

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