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FDA maintains their control - 12/14/2007 2:32:44 AM   
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Drug company Merck's bid to get an over the counter pill that lowers cholesterol was rejected by the FDA basically because they dont trust that people can make their own decisions regarding their health.

The FDA's rationale for rejecting the drug was that 25% of the people that would take the drug (called Mevacor) wouldnt need it and would subject themselves to unneccessary side-effects.
I dont really know how they got those kind of statistics. I find it based on some fuzzy numbers. And I think the FDA ignored statistics that show that so many people who have high cholesterol cant afford the more expensive medication and dont take anything at all.

Cholesterol-lowering medications are the most expensive drugs you can buy. Drugs like Lipitor will cost you an arm and a leg. $10 a pill in many cases and insurance force you to pay very high copays since there are few generic alternatives. And it seems the government was protecting those higher prices since Mevacor was going to be offered for a 1/5th of the cost.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071213/ap_on_he_me/cholesterol_drug
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RE: FDA maintains their control - 12/14/2007 7:14:28 AM   
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Cholesterol is the new bogeyman, and will be played for all it is worth. The olman went in there and they wanted to give him lipitor, his cholesterol was a whoopping 220. As they talked, he interuppted "What is the number ?". Apparently the target is 200 ? Put a bit more kindly, he basically told them to shove it, errr, well make sure it does not get a sunburn. Now it's 150 and he did that with DIET ALONE.

From what I've read he shouldn't go much lower. They got you thinking that your cholesterol should be zero, and that is simply not true. But then Americans are easy to whip up into a frenzy about damnear anything, except for the things that really matter.

High cholesterol is only partly caused by what you eat, there is also the factor of what you don't eat and/or what your body can't absorb. In other words you think you can't have bacon and eggs, but that is not true. You just can't live on it exclusively. You need some veggies and other things. This way the cholesterol is not formed because any deposits in your body are formed by components of the food you eat that are not properly absorbed and metabolised by the body.

In other words, get all the calcium your want, but if you don't get the companion minerals like magnesium, manganese, potassium, whatever else, you can still get osteoporosis, and if you overload on the calcium you can expect gallstones, kidney stones, bone spurs, all that good stuff.

Cholesterol is basically fat that has not been metabolised. Why has it not been metabolised ? Because the metabolism is not normal. You don't even want to know what I think when I see a car pulling into the local McDonald's. In fact I notice that alot of really nice cars pull in there. Now there are two possible scenarios, one is that they really like the shit, and the other possibility is that they are spending so much on their car (status symbol) that all they can afford is McD's.

At any rate, people do not know what to eat. They got it in their head that bread is the staff of life, nothing could be further from the truth. A hundred years ago when the land was not played out you could live on biscuits and gravy. But no more. My buddy Jim loved biscuits and gravy, but he is dead now. Had a fridge full of vitamins, supplements etc., but ate the usual diet with all the carbs. See carbs are the real bogeyman, but as long as they keep from telling us that it is the carbs and sugar are what's really killing us, they are making a killing.

I would almost like to see my cholesterol rating. Up until yesterday I lived on salads. Well, they had meat, but no bread, no roll, no toasties in it, nothing of the sort. After that I allowed myself to carb out, and had some spinach lasagna, which was better than I thought it would be. So I got my meat without carbs, and then my carbs without meat. Unusual for me not to eat meat, but it shouldn't hurt me.

While I agree about the FDA being bought and paid for, and not operating in our best interest, I also think it should be a non-issue. The human body, designed by nature can heal itself if given the proper tools. But what those tools are remains a mystery to most, and a subject of very subjective study by others.

The FDA is indeed a part of the problem. But alot of Americans are lazy and stupid. Rather than spend $15 at the grocery store and go home and cook something good, they would rather drop a bit more at a fast food joint and have it now. Right now.

They get high cholesterol and instead of a lasting change in their diet, giving up or cutting down on certain things and making sure to eat certain other things, they would rather be medicated, at the cost of their liver and kidney function at times. You got one life to live, let's get it over with.

Now they say fasting is good for you, I have been doing that for years. Is this knuckle dragging high school dropout that far ahead of medical science ? For shame, for shame.

So actually, I don't really go against the FDA on this particular subject. Those cholesterol reducing drugs can damage the liver, and can have other side effects. The first thing a doctor will do before putting you on them is do a blood test to confirm healthy liver function. What, you want idiots to just go out and in the space of about five years destroy their liver ? Then there will be another barrage of TV commercials by lawyers telling you that you must act now to get in on a class action lawsuit. This is a bunch of shit IMO.

Perhaps it is hard for some to understand my slant on this. Understand this, I have not even taken an aspirin in over twenty years. I have gotten a few headaches (very rare) during that time, but I never reached for a bottle of pills to cure it. I came to a realization, partly many years ago. It has culminated in this opinion : the human body is of perfect design, usually. People survived without all these chemicals in the past. And the whomper of my opinion - if you can't survive you die. And to validate that, if I can't survive I die.

I can't, nor do I, expect people to make the choices that I have made. I researched the subject for years and drew my own conclusions.

So should Americans be able to just buy a lipitor type drug over the counter ? In this (rare) case, I would have to agree with the FDA. No.

Can't believe I just said that, but I did.

T

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RE: FDA maintains their control - 12/14/2007 10:14:35 AM   
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Good topic.  In my day I played with many meds. Sorta a garbage disposal.  SO what is the bogieman?  A cholestoral med!  Right now as we speak my liver is shot. I named off the meds I took off the record to the doc. Nope. none would wreck the liver.  So now I am to return in 30 days for a liver check.  It is surprising to me- a legal dr perscribed me is the culprit. Not anything I self medicated with.

Maybe I know more then the "system"  looks so in this case.

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RE: FDA maintains their control - 12/14/2007 10:25:52 AM   
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Not everyone can go without meds, Termyn8or. Some people have heart rhythm problems or high blood pressure. My doctor told me he developed high blood pressure in his 20s he ate well and was even an athlete in college. But his family history is loaded with heart issues.

Genetics plays a bigger role than you think.

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RE: FDA maintains their control - 12/14/2007 10:32:58 AM   
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I find more and more things to hate about the FDA every day.

I used to volunteer at an organic food store, and it was against the law to say that vitamins and minerals can help cure diseases. Only the FDA can decide what can or can't help cure/fight diseases, and according to them, only pills can cure diseases. That's why everything has to say a "claims not evaluated by the FDA" on it. That's right, if you're selling Vitamin C, and you say "Hey, this can cure scurvy!" well by god you're in deep shit. Because only some high priced medication can cure scurvy!!!

It's gotten to a point where it's just so ridiculously obvious that the FDA is in the pharmaceutical companies' pockets. Everything the FDA has done in the past decade has benefited those companies. Not us. Giving the okay to drugs left and right, helping to push more and more drugs on kids who are diagnosed with phantom "ADD" and whatnot.

Of all the government agencies, the FDA is probably the least trustworthy. And I mean that.

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RE: FDA maintains their control - 12/14/2007 10:34:59 AM   
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Hi T,  This is a shock to me. I always prided my liver as being A-1. What I think has occurred is the fats lodged into the liver from the arteries. My cholectaral is good- in fact it is great! However my liver has taken a hit. I did not notice any effect good or bad- in my day to day feeling.  My brother is like you in that he seldom takes any pill. He cringes at our cousins and aquainteneces- as they all are on illicit drugs- all of them.  [something I dont touch] 

I posted about this before so bare with me.

Simple drinking water. That is my thing. They knew this years ago. Soda is NOT water. Diet, HA!  As bad as sugar.

You see the soda was meant to be a Saturday night treat. Once a week. Not every day all day long.

Big paharma wants us sick and on meds.

T, I solute you for being strong. For thinking outside the box- and for making this profound statement in life!

I drink 100 oz of filterred water a day.  When I am on a trip I will sip a soda. But not every day. At times I have to force myself to remember to drink OJ or milk.  OJ can regulate the sugars in you.  Milk is good for bones.

Most of all- I avoid processed foods.  In modern life thye are here to stay. So eat healthy first- then snacks in moderation are fine.  BUR- take small bites- savor each as if it the last peice.

I seen DR Oz on tv.  

I do drink 3 cups of coffee a day.

No soda. Soda actually stales in this house.

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RE: FDA maintains their control - 12/14/2007 10:43:15 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

Not everyone can go without meds, Termyn8or. Some people have heart rhythm problems or high blood pressure. My doctor told me he developed high blood pressure in his 20s he ate well and was even an athlete in college. But his family history is loaded with heart issues.

Genetics plays a bigger role than you think.


Anti depressents have a bad name.  I am on them for at least 5 yrs. For me they dramatically improve my life. I took my self off 2 times. I seen I still need them.

In America- one can refuse meds/medical treatment. Drs are used to patients simply going along with the regement. I will tell my dr what is not accepttable to me, then ask what my options are. 

The FDA is corrupt no doubt- but the days of snake oil was worse. In my heart I did not trust the new fangled pain meds. One is more addictive then the med is was to replace!  2 others they took off the market.

I admire that T can not take a pill.

I beleive in choice.  One DR wanted to increase the cholestoral drug. I said no. I am glad I did. I hope the god I am fixable.

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RE: FDA maintains their control - 12/14/2007 10:49:12 AM   
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Too much of anything is bad for you. Too much vitamin C will kill your kidneys. Too much sugar will give you diabetes. Too much fat and cholesterol will clog the arteries. Yes, even too much water can kill you. There is a balance in the body that is maintained. And whenever you throw off that balance by eating or drinking too much or too little, it becomes more difficult for the body to control that balance.

But remember, we will all die someday. Something is going to kill us. There have been athletes that have dropped dead in their 30s. There is no rule written anywhere that says you will live to be 100 if you eat well and exercise well. Disease can strike anybody at anytime.

They actually say the biggest factor of how long you live isn't really what you eat or exercise but the level of stress in your life. If you are a person who works a very stressful job and has a lot of worries in life, you are much more likely to die of a heart attack than the dude that eats a burger everyday but has little to no stress. More and more studies show that stress plays a major factor in our health. And that Americans dont take enough vacations and time off from work. This is why in many countries in Europe, they force you to take a vacation.

But I dont work myself up by counting calories or grams of fat I eat everyday. There are times I want that cheeseburger or chocolate sundae and no body is going to tell me I cant. I know it's not healthy but also know I have a good chance of being killed the next time I get in my car and drive down the street. We accept a lot of risk in our lives. I don't get myself all worked up over it. Whatever happens, happens. We can control certain risks but many we cannot.

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RE: FDA maintains their control - 12/14/2007 1:26:57 PM   
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The FDA is in the pockets of Big Pharma.
Just look at all the lawyers and lobbyists who represent Big Pharma on "K" street in Washington.
I take a supplement called Lecithin.
It clears out the arteries like drano.
If your arteries are clear your cholesterol count doesn't matter.
I also drink a lot of water and have started vigorous excercise.

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