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OP--why not link to some of the quality journalism that has documented the New American Century work, look at Bill Moyer's piece this week on the neo-cons and their support of Israel as a means to the end (the rapture), look at The Nation article on the New American Century, of the Salon.com piece on Cheney hijacking Bush's foreign policy. There has been a ton of quality work that backs up their sources to the same end.
As for the implication towards the end that the Bushies were behind 9.11 (not to mention your sig)--do you really think they would be competent enough to pull it off? I mean, really? Even if they were unethical enough to do it (which I don't actually doubt), I don't think they could have recruited another dozen people or so, and not had one of them leak the plan. No military person would have gone along with attacking the Pentagon. They had friends working in the building. The business people, for the most part, would have felt the same about the WTC.
And frankly, if Bush planned it, do you really think he would have been reading "My Pet Goat" and totally let Giuliani run away with that day?
I've been to protests in DC, worked for Howard Dean and MoveOn--I'm not a right winger and there is very little I would ever think this administration has done remotely right, with the sole exception of how Condi Rice has handled Turkey. There is enough stuff based in fact for all reasonable people to realize how dreadfully the Bush administration had destroyed this country. But when you start linking to stuff that is quoting the Elders of Zion you make people who despise Bush (like me) defend the worst president in history.
The problem ya all have with the antisemitism rap that ya all want to put on this is that the video which is the only thing i referenced in the op says nothing of jews what so ever. i tried to call gw and ask him about all this but he refuses my calls so i have to get information where ever i can.
My focus, as i said earlier, was the video, not the blogger who added their opinion to the movie. That was the bloggers opinion not that of the movie.
It was like the duke site where a few people had kittens because the inforamtion was on an evil kkk site when the same info was found on 100's of thousands of non kkk sites. Of course that did not matter. It gave them the opportunity to play politics and shoot down the message because others do not respect peoples rights to have an "opinion" in this country that does not conform with government approved PCness.
Classic shoot the messenger, fuck the message.
Now as far as i am concerned even tho the OP and all references can clearly be seen to be non jew, I will still protect everyones right to bash catholics, lutherans, protestants, holy jumpers, pinkos, commies, nazis, and anything else that someone wants to bash, even jews, because you all also have the right to be politically incorrect. Its constitutionally protected.
Then as for the rest I find several problems with your reasoning.
One thing I avoid like the plague is outright saying "who done it". Its nothing more than parlor games. Its a hell of lot easier to see who didnt do it than who dunnit.
The problem you and others run into is that you are putting your IQ's up against the best think tanks which run an easy 50 to 60 points higher then you.
I call it playing chess in the dark with the devil.
There are many fallacies floating around that people simply have to limited information on to know otherwise. Some of my all time favorites are that they would have to be secret, when everyone knows the very best conspiracy is one that is right out in the open under your nose and you cant see it.
occams razor, lets investigate no deeper than the dumbest asses of the criminal world. Any good chess player will bury an occams razor advocate and throw them off the scent in a new york second.
Oh but it would take so many... when they pay offs are good and consequences are 6 feet under that pretty much a no brainer too. We all know what a tragedy it was for the clintons to lose so many of their whitewater friends. People keep that in the back of their brains.
When someone says to think the bushs were behind it can mean several things. Anything from planning to orchestrating it. While evidence surely points to that I think we would be more on target to look at the corporate military industrial complex. Especially since they have the goods and we are now married to oil in office. Nice partnership. But as i said i prefer not to play the parlor games and stick with the obvious, the wtc buildings which now are becoming less refutable every day in favor of the truthers.
Rule number one to understand any crime. RULE OUT NOTHING SUSPECT EVERYTHING. If you really believe what you said that the military would never think of attacking itself or the people of this country then you have not read and understood operation northwoods in which the joint chiefs of staff proposed/signed and put on kenndys desk for his approval which included setting us up as patsies, killing us, and falsely accusing and imprisoning us.
Yup i know thats a hard pill to swallow. but its true.
The biggest problem is that the greater majority of people are so insecure that they insist on living in "happy happy land" even if they have to force themselves to become delusional in the process, rather than face the harsh realities and fix them. At least they feel "happy" and "safe" because there is the bad guy right there OBL. "Its ALL his fault" LOL
Now you can take a look at my footer and attach it "specifically" to this OP but it appears on every post i make so that would be sort of a difficult avenue to walk. That footer frankly rocks because it shuts down the planes argument quite effectively, well except for a few of greatest deniars.
Its pretty hard to deny seeing a bright flash and a huge puff of dust and claim its not an explosive but occasionally someone will stoop to that level of idiocracy. (the one 1/2 way up on the corner is so freaking obvious)
Speaking of condi rice, you do know she was what vice chairwoman whatever for chevron "OIL" dont you?
In fact if i were to plan something like that, looking unconcerned is precisely what i would do. (If i were a civilian). However that was the president and when the SS came in and told him about the SECOND plane it was clear the nation was under attack and standard procedure would have demanded them rushing him out of there immediately. So it was a good show for all of us anyway.
Now if you did not know that was the standard procedure just like many people did not know the standard procedure was for the motorcycle cops to ride "beside" kennedys limo not conveniently behind the limo out of harms way on that fateful day. What would appear to be little inconsistancies make a world of difference. Anyway....
Excellent articles btw...
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