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RE: Detroit named "most dangerous city" in Am... - 11/19/2007 9:59:17 AM

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Stephann, I've never been to Michigan.
I knew things were bad up there but not how bad.
It's getting more obvious all the time that this "global economy" is not good for working class and now middle class people in this country.
We need to get out of these one way "trade" deals and other things we've gotten into.
I have basically become a "non-consumer" over the last few years and consequently have an extra $11,000 in my savings account that could and would be spent on consumer goods if I could find any that are made in the USA.
I want a telescope but I can't find one that's made here so -no telescope!
Until we get rid of Bush and start heading in another direction people should start saving money like me and *stop spending money.*
Maybe by doing that we can make some of the traitorous companies that used to be American Companies go bankrupt.
Who cares about them anymore anyway?
No Americans will lose their jobs because of them now! Fuck 'em!

This is not a global market issue popeye, it is a domestic issue and the relationship between local and national government.

Meat, are you a White House advisor?
You sound like one.
The American People now have no interest in whether a lot of companies go bankrupt or not.
Formerly American companies that have moved overseas.
Companies like Mattel and Hanes are in real trouble and now U.S. Citizens have no stake in seeing this "global economy" survive.
About 20,000 extremely wealthy people benefit by it.
Their interests are no longer our interests.
I wonder how much more money I can save in the next five years?
By *not buying.*
The thing is that when we have a reccession American citizens won't get hurt now only companies.
You won't see "Big Layoffs" in the newspaper now because those companies don't employ Americans in American factories anymore.
It'll be fun to see which of those formerly American companies goes out of business!

Gee, they've really put themselves in a corner, haven't they?
I'll be buying some things this Christmas but from local Artesans as gifts.
I don't buy *anything* that's made in China anymore.

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RE: Detroit named "most dangerous city" in Am... - 11/19/2007 10:14:44 AM

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Ever notice that the cities with the highest number of black occupants are always the most violent? When was the last time Boston was the "most violent" ? Ever?

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RE: Detroit named "most dangerous city" in Am... - 11/19/2007 12:07:04 PM

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i lived in Flat Rock, south of Detroit, in the '70's.....and i have never felt as much at risk in my environment. Cleveland suffers from the loss of heavy industrial jobs with the closure of the steel plants and has bad management, etc., yet i live in a safe, peaceful middle class neighborhood inside the Cleveland city limits. i don't think that could be replicated in Detroit.

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RE: Detroit named "most dangerous city" in Am... - 11/20/2007 11:47:33 AM

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This is not a global market issue popeye, it is a domestic issue and the relationship between local and national government.

Sorry this is a somewhat late response.

I think MC's spot on here, though. As a society, Americans are (and always have been) quick to point to external factors as the root cause of major problems. Townships point to the neighboring towns, towns point to neighboring cities, cities point towards the state government, the states point towards the feds, and the feds...holding the bucket... turn and point to 'Them' (The British, Mexico, Spain, Germany, Communists, corrupt dictators, and most recently Terrorism with a capital T.) We are victims of our own corporate policies, and have willingly used our hard earned cashed to establish an American Oligarchy. So long as we have enough bread in our pantry and a roof over our head, it's not likely to change either.

I don't blame China; they're doing exactly what westerners have been doing for centuries. I don't blame the management of Detroit exactly; I think it's more on par with natural selection (for lack of a better explaination.) If you remove all of the deer in an area of wolves, the wolves eventually turn on each other, starving and killing each other, until there is neither prey, nor predators. That's what has happened to Detroit. The food source has evaporated, and those who depend on that food source have either moved on or turned on themselves.

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RE: Detroit named "most dangerous city" in Am... - 11/20/2007 2:34:53 PM

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Stephann, well said.
And, "the food source" for big corporations in the U.S.A. is drying up as well with so many living at subsistance level.
Twenty five years ago when I sold insurance (life, health) almost anyone could afford it. That simply is not the case today!
If wages kept up with inflation factory workers in this country today would be making $60-$80k per year.
Only there's far fewer factories.
And all the white collar jobs in those factories are gone too!
And a lawyer making $40k 25 years ago should be making $200k today but it's very rare that they do, a lot make $40-$60k these days due to supply and demand.
The "global economy" is not good for, "The People."
As Mark Twain said, "we can't all make a living by taking in each other's laundry." (The "service" economy.)

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RE: Detroit named "most dangerous city" in Am... - 11/20/2007 2:44:14 PM

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Ever notice that the cities with the highest number of black occupants are always the most violent? When was the last time Boston was the "most violent" ? Ever?

Sleepy, Boston is different from most other big cities.
Most of the "minority areas" in Boston are public housing projects.
A 3 b/r condo in Boston will run you $600-$800k. And that's just for an "average" one and not in a real nice neighborhood.
Some of them go for $1m and up.
Real Estate wise, Boston is right up there with Manhatten and San Francisco. Too expensive!

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