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Real0ne -> Republican? Democrat? Why? (11/16/2007 6:48:37 PM)



Party lines have always blown me away.  I do not understand why people latch on to one party or the other.  Does that mean the other party never has anything good to contribute?

Oh and gawd help us if anyone dares to critisize someones sacred party for wrong doing its almost like someone pissed in their cheerios.

What amazes me Is that I have seen democrats steal republican issues and republicans steal democrats issues and yet party hangers stick with their parties.

I think that I have been pretty clear in my views that I cant really tell them apart but thats me, how about you all?

Do you choose one and for the most part stick to that party and why?    Do you also vote party line or switch hit?




Arpig -> RE: Republican? Democrat? Why? (11/16/2007 7:03:38 PM)

I also have always found the rabid partisanship of most (or at least what is portrayed as such) American voters to be more than a little much. It never ceases to amaze me how one's own party's candidate is treated as the new messiah while the other party's guy is demonized. Myself I think it has something to do with having only two parties. In a multi-party system one doesn't seem to find the same degree of fanatical partisanship, perhaps because there are more options, and shades of opinion available.



kdsub -> RE: Republican? Democrat? Why? (11/16/2007 7:11:23 PM)

Hi RealOne

I don't believe I will ever agree with all the positions of any one person... but most people, including myself, associate with the party that represents the majority of their positions...or at least the very important ones they will not compromise on.

Now say I vote splinting party lines… I will have less chance of the majority of my positions becoming law. So I tend to vote with a party on the national level anyway… but at the local level for the man or woman where party affiliation is not important.

Butch



FangsNfeet -> RE: Republican? Democrat? Why? (11/16/2007 7:20:07 PM)

I find that many people will vote for a person based on the party they are with. What the say, do, or have done in the past mean nothing. If and when they don't know any of the people on the ballet, they'll check everyone who has there party letter by there name.

Usually, counties don't change there voting very much. So for the most part, people join the winning party of there county to get there start. No one cares what they have to say, it's just about the party.

If you don't know the person, never heard a speech, and have no idea what they stand for, why would anyone vote that person just because of a little letter by there name?

Kind of sad, don't you think? 



kdsub -> RE: Republican? Democrat? Why? (11/16/2007 7:29:17 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet

Usually, counties don't change there voting very much. So for the most part, people join the winning party of there county to get there start. No one cares what they have to say, it's just about the party.



I think most children follow the political views of their parents when they start voting.. if they vote... I've two children and one votes in every election and the other never does... but they both have the same views as me anyway... I find this to be true ...in general anyway.

Butch



Real0ne -> RE: Republican? Democrat? Why? (11/16/2007 7:39:43 PM)



i couldnt do it...  i run down the ticket n pick each person based on what i know about them and in the last few elections have voted 3rd party as a protest vote.   I dont sucker for the "vote for the least evil scam" or that "a third party vote is a wasted vote scam" or "the 3rd party will destroy the country scam" and all those sorts of propaganda.

The way i see it the only way the 2 parties can know i am pissed off is if i vote for neither of them. i even wrote myself in one time, now there is a protest vote!!!! LOLOL  (i didnt get the presidency tho damn it)

It is something I dont understand however in people.



kdsub -> RE: Republican? Democrat? Why? (11/16/2007 7:46:12 PM)

RealOne...your third party vote may have gotten Bush elected... I am glad you are proud of that…at least some say third party voters were more likely to be Democrats… or at least usually voted Democratic and that was all Bush needed to win.



CuriousLord -> RE: Republican? Democrat? Why? (11/16/2007 7:47:25 PM)

Independent.  I've almost always leaned pretty fairly to the right, often supporting Replubican canidates, but the gross violation of civil liberties in the recent news of the wiretap program and the Administration's underhanded manner of covering it up has eroded my sympathy for the Republican Party.

I'm still utterly shocked that the Adminstriation so grossly violated the basic expectation to privacy of, apparently, the greater portion of this country, that my sentiment towards it is currently boarding antipathy.  I'm unsure if this sentiment will lead to a long-term break from the right or not; my values are unscathed, though I now carry doubts that the Republican Party is actually in line with such values.

Left versus Right:
Abortion:  Right, moderately far.  (Stance:  Huamn lives are not created equal, but are still natrually valuable.)
Religion:  Left, moderately far.  (Stance:  Religion promotes ignorance and beguiles innocent children with lies that boarder on seduction.)
War:  Right, slightly.  (Stance:  I can see the arguments, but not educated enough on the subject to take a strong stance.)
Civil liberties:  Left, moderately.  (Stance:  Government and law should serve to maintain rights.  Humans should be able to act freely when collateral damage isn't an issue; the delicate sensibilities of even a majority isn't the fault nor responsbility of an individual nor a minority.)
Human value:  Right, moderately.  (Not all humans are created equal.  Not all professions are created equally.  "Artistic" callings are not nearly so noble as those with more practical ends.  "Religious" "callings" are pathetic.)
Morality:  Indepedent.  (Morality both exists and is important.  However, it isn't based on coercion nor the religious sources of such, but from empathy.)
Taxes:  Moderately right.  (Flat percent for citizens with provisions for the poor with children.  Some basic provision for even useless citizens to avoid death due to starvation or exposure.)
Education:  What the hell is right or left here?  (Should be productvity-oriented.  Sciences are considered productive.  Arts are wastes of funds.  Productive arts are good for humanity; should be supported by the government.  Consider higher taxes for graduates for some amount of time to help pay for their government-granted support.)



Real0ne -> RE: Republican? Democrat? Why? (11/16/2007 8:04:34 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

RealOne...your third party vote may have gotten Bush elected... I am glad you are proud of that…at least some say third party voters were more likely to be Democrats… or at least usually voted Democratic and that was all Bush needed to win.

Now if everyone would have voted the same way i did neither one of those assholes would have gotten in.  :)

Oh and bush won by supreme court not votes... just ask "i used to be the president al gore".

Whats funny is that my paernts tended to be one party too until they got older then they stopped telling each other who they were voting for LOL

I know there are several people out here that are one party and hopefully we will hear from them and they can shed some more light on it.



kdsub -> RE: Republican? Democrat? Why? (11/16/2007 8:12:17 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

RealOne...your third party vote may have gotten Bush elected... I am glad you are proud of that…at least some say third party voters were more likely to be Democrats… or at least usually voted Democratic and that was all Bush needed to win.

Now if everyone would have voted the same way i did neither one of those assholes would have gotten in.  :)

Oh and bush won by supreme court not votes... just ask "i used to be the president al gore".



I was just trying to get your goat a little... I didn't want either of those myself... I want another Eisenhower...[image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m16.gif[/image]



domiguy -> RE: Republican? Democrat? Why? (11/16/2007 8:25:47 PM)

I find them both  to be an intolerable lot of cocksuckers....But not the "good kind."

Since there is no option I obviously find myself voting for the left...Not that it really matters.  I can't identify with the right...They are the worst of the bad kind of cocksuckers....They seem unwilling to be able to question their religion, their government, or hold their own belief system up to the light of day....These are the kind of folks when informed of "illegal wiretaps" respond by saying "that if you are not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about." 

Motherfuckers.



Archer -> RE: Republican? Democrat? Why? (11/16/2007 8:37:35 PM)

kdsub you do realize that it was not just guessed but confirmed that Clinton got in the first time based on Ross Perot's third party run.




kdsub -> RE: Republican? Democrat? Why? (11/16/2007 8:41:01 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Archer

kdsub you do realize that it was not just guessed but confirmed that Clinton got in the first time based on Ross Perot's third party run.




I voted for Clinton...[image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m9.gif[/image].....But I would have voted for Perot but there at the end he sort of went off the deep end.... I can't remember what he did but it really turned me off of him.



petdave -> RE: Republican? Democrat? Why? (11/16/2007 9:10:59 PM)

i kinda wonder how much of the popular vote Perot would get if he ran again, now that some of his key points have been proven prescient, and the major parties have... well, Jesus, look at those idiots. [&:] Who the hell IS actually voting for them, and why can't they just stick to texting in their votes for the next American Idol??? [&:]

i'm pretty much a classic "yellow dog Libertarian"... meaning, the LP could run a yellow dog as their candidate, and i'd still vote for it before either of the leading brands. And i don't like dogs- i'm a cat person. 



MissSCD -> RE: Republican? Democrat? Why? (11/16/2007 9:11:59 PM)

I don't know why I chose to answer this, but here is the way I feel right now.  I used to be a very hard nose democrat.   That is before they went to far to the right.  (Hopes I got that right.)
Then,  I thought I was republican, but they are too far to the left. 
There is no in between for the normal working person any more.  I ask you, who is the working people's party?
I know I am conservative.  That is about all I know.

Regards, MissSCD

Totally fed up and the broken system that we call politics in America.



popeye1250 -> RE: Republican? Democrat? Why? (11/16/2007 11:36:15 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

Independent.  I've almost always leaned pretty fairly to the right, often supporting Replubican canidates, but the gross violation of civil liberties in the recent news of the wiretap program and the Administration's underhanded manner of covering it up has eroded my sympathy for the Republican Party.

I'm still utterly shocked that the Adminstriation so grossly violated the basic expectation to privacy of, apparently, the greater portion of this country, that my sentiment towards it is currently boarding antipathy.  I'm unsure if this sentiment will lead to a long-term break from the right or not; my values are unscathed, though I now carry doubts that the Republican Party is actually in line with such values.

Left versus Right:
Abortion:  Right, moderately far.  (Stance:  Huamn lives are not created equal, but are still natrually valuable.)
Religion:  Left, moderately far.  (Stance:  Religion promotes ignorance and beguiles innocent children with lies that boarder on seduction.)
War:  Right, slightly.  (Stance:  I can see the arguments, but not educated enough on the subject to take a strong stance.)
Civil liberties:  Left, moderately.  (Stance:  Government and law should serve to maintain rights.  Humans should be able to act freely when collateral damage isn't an issue; the delicate sensibilities of even a majority isn't the fault nor responsbility of an individual nor a minority.)
Human value:  Right, moderately.  (Not all humans are created equal.  Not all professions are created equally.  "Artistic" callings are not nearly so noble as those with more practical ends.  "Religious" "callings" are pathetic.)
Morality:  Indepedent.  (Morality both exists and is important.  However, it isn't based on coercion nor the religious sources of such, but from empathy.)
Taxes:  Moderately right.  (Flat percent for citizens with provisions for the poor with children.  Some basic provision for even useless citizens to avoid death due to starvation or exposure.)
Education:  What the hell is right or left here?  (Should be productvity-oriented.  Sciences are considered productive.  Arts are wastes of funds.  Productive arts are good for humanity; should be supported by the government.  Consider higher taxes for graduates for some amount of time to help pay for their government-granted support.)


CL, you and me are almost twins!
I'm an "Independant Populist" like Lou Dobbs.
I like Ron Paul, Mitt Romney, on the Republican side, Dennis Kuchinich and John Edwards on the Democratic side.
I don't "vote the party", I vote the person and I think all four above have a good bit of integrity and sincerity and that's important to me when I'm looking at candidates.
I didn't vote for Bush either time. I voted Constitution Party instead.



cyberdude611 -> RE: Republican? Democrat? Why? (11/17/2007 4:45:19 AM)

Keep in mind also that in most states you have to be a member of a party to particiapate in any primary elections.



subrob1967 -> RE: Republican? Democrat? Why? (11/17/2007 4:54:51 AM)

I am fiercely Independent, and will vote for the candidate who best fits my needs.

Of course that means I wouldn't vote for any of the current incumbents, because theres not much difference between the parties, they're all a bunch of special interest whores.



Level -> RE: Republican? Democrat? Why? (11/17/2007 6:04:03 AM)

I am, and always have been, a registered Democrat. May change to Independent, though.
 
I've voted for Carter, Reagan, Dukakis, Clinton, Clinton, Nader, and Bush for president. A lot of Libertarian ideas appeal to me (as freedom and personal responsibility matter), but I also strongly believe in helping those that honestly need help.
 
The thought of choosing between Hillary Clinton and Rudy Guiliani makes my bowels twitch.



MissSCD -> RE: Republican? Democrat? Why? (11/17/2007 6:34:13 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

quote:

ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

Independent.  I've almost always leaned pretty fairly to the right, often supporting Replubican canidates, but the gross violation of civil liberties in the recent news of the wiretap program and the Administration's underhanded manner of covering it up has eroded my sympathy for the Republican Party.

I'm still utterly shocked that the Adminstriation so grossly violated the basic expectation to privacy of, apparently, the greater portion of this country, that my sentiment towards it is currently boarding antipathy.  I'm unsure if this sentiment will lead to a long-term break from the right or not; my values are unscathed, though I now carry doubts that the Republican Party is actually in line with such values.

Left versus Right:
Abortion:  Right, moderately far.  (Stance:  Huamn lives are not created equal, but are still natrually valuable.)
Religion:  Left, moderately far.  (Stance:  Religion promotes ignorance and beguiles innocent children with lies that boarder on seduction.)
War:  Right, slightly.  (Stance:  I can see the arguments, but not educated enough on the subject to take a strong stance.)
Civil liberties:  Left, moderately.  (Stance:  Government and law should serve to maintain rights.  Humans should be able to act freely when collateral damage isn't an issue; the delicate sensibilities of even a majority isn't the fault nor responsbility of an individual nor a minority.)
Human value:  Right, moderately.  (Not all humans are created equal.  Not all professions are created equally.  "Artistic" callings are not nearly so noble as those with more practical ends.  "Religious" "callings" are pathetic.)
Morality:  Indepedent.  (Morality both exists and is important.  However, it isn't based on coercion nor the religious sources of such, but from empathy.)
Taxes:  Moderately right.  (Flat percent for citizens with provisions for the poor with children.  Some basic provision for even useless citizens to avoid death due to starvation or exposure.)
Education:  What the hell is right or left here?  (Should be productvity-oriented.  Sciences are considered productive.  Arts are wastes of funds.  Productive arts are good for humanity; should be supported by the government.  Consider higher taxes for graduates for some amount of time to help pay for their government-granted support.)


CL, you and me are almost twins!
I'm an "Independant Populist" like Lou Dobbs.
I like Ron Paul, Mitt Romney, on the Republican side, Dennis Kuchinich and John Edwards on the Democratic side.
I don't "vote the party", I vote the person and I think all four above have a good bit of integrity and sincerity and that's important to me when I'm looking at candidates.
I didn't vote for Bush either time. I voted Constitution Party instead.


See.  This is why I do not like politics anymore.   I have bipolar syndrome.  The only thing that has kept me from going totally over the edge is my religion.  I am conservative, religious, BDSM Mistress.  How do you like that one?

Regards, MissSCD



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