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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/17/2007 11:01:52 AM

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Research BDSM and its ORIGINAL meaning DID NOT include Domination and Submission.

Yes, you already said that. Do you have any sources on it or do I just have to take your word on it? Not that it matters. BDSM nowadays does include it, even if it didn't in the past.

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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/17/2007 11:10:05 AM

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ORIGINAL: wisteriaV
Research BDSM and its ORIGINAL meaning DID NOT include Domination and Submission.

Yes, you already said that. Do you have any sources on it or do I just have to take your word on it? Not that it matters. BDSM nowadays does include it, even if it didn't in the past.

How lazy do you have to be to think that googling BDSM and finding the original definition is something someone else should do for you?

Just because YOU choose to add D/s into the definition does not mean that it is a standard for everyone. Most of the people I know and have interacted with in the community do NOT push D/s into it.

Many of us feel that D/s and M/s are who and what we are. BDSM is just activities some of us enjoy.

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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/17/2007 11:33:25 AM

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How lazy do you have to be to think that googling BDSM and finding the original definition is something someone else should do for you?

<suppresses a lazy yawn>

The original meaning cannot simply be googled. Sure, I can probably find a few articles online that claim D/s originally was not included or that it was, but that won't really solve the dispute. The term was coined way back in the usenet era, before google was even founded, and I doubt if it even shows up at dejanews. So if you have a truly original source, like use on usenet or anything in print dating back to the late seventies / early eighties, I'd love to hear about it.

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Just because YOU choose to add D/s into the definition does not mean that it is a standard for everyone. Most of the people I know and have interacted with in the community do NOT push D/s into it.

And virtually all people I know do. Now, that might be a peculiarity of my country (it wouldn't be the first fuck-up with introducing English words in our language), but given the number of times I've seen D/s included in its definition on Anglo-American boards, I doubt if that's the case here.

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Many of us feel that D/s and M/s are who and what we are. BDSM is just activities some of us enjoy.

And many of us feel that BDSM is who we are and strongly object to the "just" in the above. Gives it just that We're Real and You're Not kinda feel...

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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/17/2007 12:02:48 PM

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How lazy do you have to be to think that googling BDSM and finding the original definition is something someone else should do for you?

<suppresses a lazy yawn>

The original meaning cannot simply be googled. Sure, I can probably find a few articles online that claim D/s originally was not included or that it was, but that won't really solve the dispute. The term was coined way back in the usenet era, before google was even founded, and I doubt if it even shows up at dejanews. So if you have a truly original source, like use on usenet or anything in print dating back to the late seventies / early eighties, I'd love to hear about it.

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Just because YOU choose to add D/s into the definition does not mean that it is a standard for everyone. Most of the people I know and have interacted with in the community do NOT push D/s into it.

And virtually all people I know do. Now, that might be a peculiarity of my country (it wouldn't be the first fuck-up with introducing English words in our language), but given the number of times I've seen D/s included in its definition on Anglo-American boards, I doubt if that's the case here.

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Many of us feel that D/s and M/s are who and what we are. BDSM is just activities some of us enjoy.

And many of us feel that BDSM is who we are and strongly object to the "just" in the above. Gives it just that We're Real and You're Not kinda feel...

Ok... we have established by your own admission that you are lazy. I will not take the time to do any research for you, or to locate what you would need to at least admit your definition isn't the standard for all.

The "just" in my statement is because, as I said, I consider BDSM just activities. D/s and M/s are what I consider to be who and what we are. I can't state that any clearer. Believe what you want... call it what you want... I am not saying your opinions are wrong. I'm just saying don't state them as if anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong. And don't even START with the "real" crap. This has nothing to do with who is "real" or who isn't. Bringing that into it just serves to defer the topic to a worn out argument.

As far as countries go.... last I checked, Colorado was in the USA.

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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/17/2007 12:09:16 PM

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The exact definitions really aren't that big of a deal. If you try to focus down on it, you always seem to end up having a "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin"-type debate. (shrug)

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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/17/2007 12:16:00 PM

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I didn’t see anyone mention TNG yet?

In Florida, there is a growing TNG (The Next Generation) movement. These groups are for sincere members of the younger crowd but, membership criteria is set up to filter out the young Goth tourists that are invading the scene.

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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/17/2007 12:16:01 PM

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The exact definitions really aren't that big of a deal. If you try to focus down on it, you always seem to end up having a "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin"-type debate. (shrug)

42.

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If you don't understand the answer you sould first seek the question

Which was 6 x 9 = ( Six Times Nine)

In the Last book the mice come down and say "Sorry for the inconvenience)

The Movie got it all wrong. Except for the Giant Sperm whale and the Bowl of Petunias which was funny as hell no matter how many times you watch it.

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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/17/2007 12:19:57 PM

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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

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ORIGINAL: bipolarber

The exact definitions really aren't that big of a deal. If you try to focus down on it, you always seem to end up having a "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin"-type debate. (shrug)

42.

The answer to life the universe ande everything is 42.

If you don't understand the answer you sould first seek the question

Which was 6 x 9 = ( Six Times Nine)

In the Last book the mice come down and say "Sorry for the inconvenience)

The Movie got it all wrong. Except for the Giant Sperm whale and the Bowl of Petunias which was funny as hell no matter how many times you watch it.

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Yes. You are both right. I will drop out of this discussion. It is hardly worth it. <smile>

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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/17/2007 12:31:01 PM

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Now, see, I'd rather follow HHGTTG, as a template for my life's philosophy, rather than some other fictional universes* I could mention. I think I'd be a whole lot happier.

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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/18/2007 6:04:59 AM

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ORIGINAL: MystressDream
Ok... we have established by your own admission that you are lazy. I will not take the time to do any research for you, or to locate what you would need to at least admit your definition isn't the standard for all.

That's fine with me, but in the absence of any proof on what "the original meaning" is, I suggest we'll not use that as an argument anymore. I don't mind if you personally use another definition than I, just don't give it the ring of original authenticism if you can't substantiate it.

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The "just" in my statement is because, as I said, I consider BDSM just activities. D/s and M/s are what I consider to be who and what we are. I can't state that any clearer. Believe what you want... call it what you want... I am not saying your opinions are wrong.

It's fine if you consider yourself to BE M/s or D/s. I understand (honestly, I know quite a few 24/7 and TPE people among my friends). BUT to say that what I do ("BDSM") is "just an activity" is just plain rude. We are lifestylers. We invest a whole lot of time in researching japanese style bondage, acquiring and maintaining the skills to take bondage to our limits, maintiaing a free educational+art website and teach bondage safety classes. And if we're not, we're likely to be doing rope care. That's not just an activity, that's who WE are, even though we do not have a M/s or D/s relationship (tried that, doesn't work for us). In terms of being something versus doing something, M/s & D/s is not the only thing that you can be.

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As far as countries go.... last I checked, Colorado was in the USA.

Sure thing. But IIRC I was referring to the possibility that it might be a peculiarity of MY country, and last I checked The Hague isn't located in the USA.

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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/18/2007 6:07:42 AM

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I didn’t see anyone mention TNG yet?

But is that a different type of BDSM? In my experience TNG people do pretty much the same broad variety of stuff older BDSM'ers do, they just do it among people approximately their own age.

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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/18/2007 9:06:56 AM

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Sure thing. But IIRC I was referring to the possibility that it might be a peculiarity of MY country, and last I checked The Hague isn't located in the USA.

Oh yes it is, been there many times.

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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/18/2007 2:57:16 PM

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Another group is HAT.

Hair-splitters, Arguers and Theorists.

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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/18/2007 3:20:08 PM

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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/18/2007 4:35:06 PM

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MasterFireMaam,

You could also add several historical and political pardigims:

Fudal japanese, for example. (I've met several poly households that utilize this model fairly well.)

Fudal England, as well. (The origin of "courtly love" which was the birthplace of high protocol)

Tribal structures similar to Native American.

Or, if you are Gorean, the Taliban or Al Queida. (Just quoting one of their recent threads, so don't flame me on this one!)

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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/18/2007 5:20:08 PM

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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

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ORIGINAL: bipolarber

The exact definitions really aren't that big of a deal. If you try to focus down on it, you always seem to end up having a "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin"-type debate. (shrug)

42.

The answer to life the universe ande everything is 42.

If you don't understand the answer you sould first seek the question

Which was 6 x 9 = ( Six Times Nine)

In the Last book the mice come down and say "Sorry for the inconvenience)

The Movie got it all wrong. Except for the Giant Sperm whale and the Bowl of Petunias which was funny as hell no matter how many times you watch it.

As Always

Steel

i'm sorry but the answer is 27...

27 is a Godly exponetial of a Godly number...

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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/19/2007 5:36:18 AM

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