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Different groups within BDSM - 11/16/2007 5:17:07 PM   
saseblubutrfly


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Status: offline 		I'm on a research mission. I know there are different groups/classifications within the BDSM lifestyle such as Old Guard, New Guard, Leather Men and Gorean but are there any more? Any suggestions as to the best place to find out more about each group/classification? I'm just trying to satisfy the hunger I have to learn more about the lifestyle.
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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/16/2007 5:34:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		break down the BDSM  and research those too ,and it can also be broken down  further , example would be B in bondage , what types , shabari ,harness , susspension ,rope ,tape ,clingfilm etc all sub cats of the B classification .then D/s Master Slave  submissive ,bottom ,could also get into the fetishes . wow i can list all day and break down .Mental D/s and mastery .well its a start .

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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/16/2007 7:48:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are the ones that come to mind without too much thought, but really, if you can think of a fetish, chances are there are others out there who share the idea, and are in an online group somewhere about it:

Masters and slaves
Dominants and submissives
Role players
Age players
Pony players
Human dog players
Victorian
Tribal
Cutters
Blood players
Vampires
Goth
Objectification play
Bondage (as mentioned before, a whole other can o' worms)
Whipping
Canes
Spankers
Adult infants
Forced feminization
crossdressing
Old Gaurd
New Wave
Pansexual
Omnisexual
Gorean
1950's household
Christian BDSM
Furries
Furverts
Balloon Fetishists
Temp peircing
fire play
fire cupping
corset trainers
retro fetish
fetish photograpers
fisters
breath players
knife players
gun players
zoo
scatological players
watersports
erotic suturing
smoking fetishists
girls with glasses
wrestling
resistance play
mock rape
rubber fetishists
leather fetishists
PVC fetishists
fur coat fetishists
silk fetishists
dildo enthusiasts
vibe aficinaodos
uniform fetishists
glory holers
group gropers
amputee fans
auction organizers
kidnap scenes
anal players
belly dancers
foot fetishists
body painters
branders
Medical (or nurse) play
Body Mods
Electrical players
S&M (stand and model)
Boot lovers
Harpaxophiliacs
Hot waxers
Enema play
Poly
Massage fans
Messy fun
Exhibitionists
Tantrics
Taoists

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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/16/2007 8:05:42 PM   
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Taoists



Please for give me my personal ignorance.

How is The Tao BDSM Literature and how does living the Teachings of the Tao equate to BDSM, I am curious as it has been years since I looked over the Tao, I am currious if I am missing something.

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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/16/2007 8:05:50 PM   
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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/16/2007 8:17:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		See Bipolar i was lazy in my incompleted listing you were not  -kudos .Though i also thought the OP could also do some research to explore these to .The feed a man by giving him a fish  or teach a man to fish and he feeds himself  kinda thing .
There are so many classes and sub classes  qand break downs .

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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/16/2007 8:24:04 PM   
xoxi


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Status: offline 		bipolarber I would agree that all of those are fetishes (with the exception of Taoists....not quite sure how that one got on the list) but I'm not quite sure all of them fall under BDSM.  Girls with glasses?  Furries? Belly dancers?  Poly?  I'm sure there are plenty of poly, furry belly dancer girls with glasses who are into BDSM...but I wouldn't say that any of those are a subset of BDSM.  They can exist just fine without it.

The term BDSM originally stood for "Bondage, Discipline, and SadoMasochism" - after awhile people added D/s to it because of the "DS" in the middle.  That's commonly accepted, so I would say that to fall under BDSM an act must inherently involve one or more of the following:

Bondage
Discipline
Dominance
Submission
Sadism
Masochism

Andddddd...that doesn't really answer your question, OP but if you check bipolarber's list against those activities you'll have a pretty comprehensive list.

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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/16/2007 8:31:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		The only thing that came to mind when I read the OP was...

Why does it matter?

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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/16/2007 8:34:49 PM   
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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/16/2007 8:50:29 PM   
azropedntied


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Status: offline 		I would venture a guess the OP would like to search on terms and wording as a way to gain  info .Not saying the OP is a newbie i dont have a clue , but to someone who has never heard of puppy play then look at it from a name drop is that not info gained ?


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ORIGINAL: akisha

The only thing that came to mind when I read the OP was...

Why does it matter?

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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/17/2007 2:26:10 AM   
Guilty1974


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And concerning Taoism, I can imagine going with the flow being quite important in several of the activities mentioned...


< Message edited by Guilty1974 -- 11/17/2007 2:28:02 AM >

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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/17/2007 4:29:37 AM   
sirguym


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Status: offline 		Anybody into Fractal maths; trying to do this is like that; the more you look into it the more detail differences come to prominence.

For me  scene has four main strands, all to do with adopting or changing role, or experiencing new sensations, usually both:

BDSM; eg classic 'dungeon domination', tying up, Master/slave relationships

Spanking, including every kind of 'pain-play', from hand-spanking to bullwhips

Sex including swinging, dogging, polyamory, promiscuity and chastity ...

Trans-sex; male to female, female to male, on a temporary or permanent basis, or all the inter-sex, androgyny and other variations

But they all overlap and intersect in a dozen different ways, but differently for every individual.

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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/17/2007 5:07:08 AM   
saseblubutrfly


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Status: offline 		Ok, so maybe the word group/classification wasn't the right word. May I should have used the term "subculture". What I've found out so far is that the Old Guard and Gay Leather Men subcultures around the WWII era. From what I've read about Old Guard, Gay Leather Men existed before Old Guard. New Guard is the more modern version of the Old Guard. New Guard is a more "relaxed" version of Old Guard. I've found out that the Gorean subculture is based on a fictional book.

Yes it is a "to do" list for my own knowledge. Yes, I can sit and google these terms all night but I thought my best research would be to ask the ones that may live and breathe it on a daily basis.

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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/17/2007 5:53:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: saseblubutrfly
I've found out that the Gorean subculture is based on a fictional book.


The average Gorean Master will draw his sword and force you to drink a chalice of very nasty stuff if he herad you call Gor a subculture of BDSM (but don't let that discourage your investigation).

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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/17/2007 6:51:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok Im confused since when is BDSM ( they play aspect of a life choice) considered the umbrella for all aspects of life choices?   BDSM is  Bondage, Discipline, Sadism, and Machoism. There is NO Domination or Submission in there other wise it would be BDDSSM which it isn't. That is one thing that the net has allowed people to do is water down and adjust the base meanings of the life choice to suit their needs and screw up the foundation of what the life choice really is! To me M/s and D/s is the day to day living of a life choice and the BDSM is the play part. I live the M/s life choice with Master in as close to a 24/7 relationship as reality allows...its not all about play people. Its washing clothing, paying bills and working as well as working on a relationship beyond the norms of society. Its like ordering something youve always wanted to replace the older version of what you have, only to discover the orginal oldedr version works best..Like Vista vs WindowsXP.. 

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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/17/2007 7:17:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		actually the way that the acronym was explained to me,(and the one I go by.) is Bondage/Discipline Dominance/submission Sadism/Masochism.

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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/17/2007 7:27:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: saseblubutrfly

I'm on a research mission. I know there are different groups/classifications within the BDSM lifestyle such as Old Guard, New Guard, Leather Men and Gorean but are there any more? Any suggestions as to the best place to find out more about each group/classification? I'm just trying to satisfy the hunger I have to learn more about the lifestyle.


If you want to expand your acquisition of information along those lines, look into some of the already suggested labels:

1950s household
CFNM
FemDom
Poly
Ponies
Edge play


And don't take any of them as seriously as some of the participants do...



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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/17/2007 8:13:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, Taoism is a philosophy wherein you follow the flow of things and allow forces in the universe to shape your actions. As such, it's always had a very big impact on my being submissive. Some people see the connection, others don't. I included it because of my own experience. For that matter, there are several things on my "Tasmanian Devil menu" of BDSM which might cause people to have knee jerk reactions. I'm surprised that you, xoxi, didn't rail at Gor being included. Seems you guys always get into a snit about being considered part of the larger community. Tantric might also be considered superflouous. I myself have a hard time thinking of furries in the same catagory at leathermen, but others would object if I left them out.

Much of that list falls squarely under BDSM. Or at the very least, communities of non-traditional sexualities. From the vanilla side of things, we're all just "perverts." I prefer to be inclusive.

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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/17/2007 8:24:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: wisteriaV
There is NO Domination or Submission in there other wise it would be BDDSSM which it isn't.


Actually it is. BDSM usually is explained as Bondage & Discipline, Dominance & Submission and SadoMasochism. So yup, D/s can well be said to be a part of BDSM.

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That is one thing that the net has allowed people to do is water down and adjust the base meanings of the life choice to suit their needs and screw up the foundation of what the life choice really is! To me M/s and D/s is the day to day living of a life choice and the BDSM is the play part.


To you, perhaps, to me it isn't. D/s is not the foundation of my lifestyle choice, Japanese style Rope Bondage is. And yes, that is a lifestyle, and not just play. The one thing the net has allowed people to do, is to get a very broad overview of the widest variety of WIITWD and pick what inspires them, instead of being solely dependent on the local bunch of people who just happen to have some idea of what BDSM should be like. It has enabled people to really make the lifestyle choice that suits them.

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RE: Different groups within BDSM - 11/17/2007 10:19:00 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Guilty1974

quote:

ORIGINAL: wisteriaV
There is NO Domination or Submission in there other wise it would be BDDSSM which it isn't.


Actually it is. BDSM usually is explained as Bondage & Discipline, Dominance & Submission and SadoMasochism. So yup, D/s can well be said to be a part of BDSM.

quote:


That is one thing that the net has allowed people to do is water down and adjust the base meanings of the life choice to suit their needs and screw up the foundation of what the life choice really is! To me M/s and D/s is the day to day living of a life choice and the BDSM is the play part.


To you, perhaps, to me it isn't. D/s is not the foundation of my lifestyle choice, Japanese style Rope Bondage is. And yes, that is a lifestyle, and not just play. The one thing the net has allowed people to do, is to get a very broad overview of the widest variety of WIITWD and pick what inspires them, instead of being solely dependent on the local bunch of people who just happen to have some idea of what BDSM should be like. It has enabled people to really make the lifestyle choice that suits them.


Research  BDSM and its ORIGINAL meaning  DID NOT include Domination and Submission..Thats something others have added into it. Just was the word wicked originally meant evil or bad now it means something comepletely different.

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