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Founder of TWC says Global Warming is a scam - 11/9/2007 10:57:55 AM   
cyberdude611


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Status: offline 		John Coleman, the founder of The Weather Channel and a meteorologist has gone on a rant against global warming and the alarmists. Here is what he wrote in an article and he'll be on CNN later to explain his comments further....

It is the greatest scam in history. I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it. Global Warming; It is a SCAM. Some dastardly scientists with environmental and political motives manipulated long term scientific data to create in allusion of rapid global warming. Other scientists of the same environmental whacko type jumped into the circle to support and broaden the “research” to further enhance the totally slanted, bogus global warming claims. Their friends in government steered huge research grants their way to keep the movement going. Soon they claimed to be a consensus.
 
Environmental extremists, notable politicians among them, then teamed up with movie, media and other liberal, environmentalist journalists to create this wild “scientific” scenario of the civilization threatening environmental consequences from Global Warming unless we adhere to their radical agenda. Now their ridiculous manipulated science has been accepted as fact and become a cornerstone issue for CNN, CBS, NBC, the Democratic Political Party, the Governor of California, school teachers and, in many cases, well informed but very gullible environmental conscientious citizens. Only one reporter at ABC has been allowed to counter the Global Warming frenzy with one 15 minutes documentary segment.
 
I do not oppose environmentalism. I do not oppose the political positions of either party. However, Global Warming, ie Climate Change, is not about environmentalism or politics. It is not a religion. It is not something you “believe in.” It is science; the science of meteorology. This is my field of life-long expertise. And I am telling you Global Warming is a non-event, a manufactured crisis and a total scam. I say this knowing you probably won’t believe a me, a mere TV weatherman, challenging a Nobel Prize, Academy Award and Emmy Award winning former Vice President of United States. So be it.
 
I have read dozens of scientific papers. I have talked with numerous scientists. I have studied. I have thought about it. I know I am correct. There is no run away climate change. The impact of humans on climate is not catastrophic. Our planet is not in peril. I am incensed by the incredible media glamour, the politically correct silliness and rude dismissal of counter arguments by the high priest of Global Warming.
 
In time, a decade or two, the outrageous scam will be obvious. As the temperature rises, polar ice cap melting, coastal flooding and super storm pattern all fail to occur as predicted everyone will come to realize we have been duped. The sky is not falling. And, natural cycles and drifts in climate are as much if not more responsible for any climate changes underway. I strongly believe that the next twenty years are equally as likely to see a cooling trend as they are to see a warming trend.
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RE: Founder of TWC says Global Warming is a scam - 11/9/2007 11:01:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		He is a fucking meteorologist, meaning he can't fucking get tomorrows weather right.  Fuck his stupid ass...............


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RE: Founder of TWC says Global Warming is a scam - 11/9/2007 11:38:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is why I think all the "Global Warming People" should have to wear uniforms with beanies with propellors on top so we can identify them.
I've been saying this for years now.
It's "junk science."
Plus, anytime the "U.N." is involved in it you *know* it's another of their money scams!
Even when faced with irrefutable scientific evidence those "warmers" won't let go!
Anyone who doesn't agree with their Nazi-like fervor is labelled a "non-believer!"
Too bad the state hospitals have been closed.

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RE: Founder of TWC says Global Warming is a scam - 11/9/2007 11:40:33 AM   
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He is a fucking meteorologist, meaning he can't fucking get tomorrows weather right.  Fuck his stupid ass...............


Ron


And, using the most advanced techniques and technologies available today, there is no meteorologist on the planet who can successfully and accurately predict the weather a week away ... right?

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RE: Founder of TWC says Global Warming is a scam - 11/9/2007 11:48:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		I make zero claim to know the "truth about global warming" or such...  I just know that when my mother grew up in our home village, they would sometimes not be able to find the car due to the snow.

In my time growing up, we never had that problem.  Instead the worst was the roads being snowed-shut for 3 days when I was young and by the time I left home, the most snow in one go we got was 6 inches and there was a constant layer of it all winter.

In the 11 or so years since leaving home, it's become that they only get snow 3 or 4 times a winter and that never goes above 2 inches... and it's gone within a week.

By September it used to be jacket time starting.  Now mom doesn't close the pool until October.

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RE: Founder of TWC says Global Warming is a scam - 11/9/2007 11:50:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

He is a fucking meteorologist, meaning he can't fucking get tomorrows weather right.  Fuck his stupid ass...............


Ron


*laffing"  Ya know, Ron, I like you even though I seldom agree with what you say on this particular forum.  So I want to point out that your entire response to this article is using the "f" word three times in two lines.  Once as an adjective, once as an adverb and finally as a verb.  Is that all there is?  It makes it hard for Me to take the "global warming" evangelists seriously.
You're not going to change My mind, but you could, at least, try! 
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RE: Founder of TWC says Global Warming is a scam - 11/9/2007 12:00:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		"In a coule of decades we'll all know the truth about the deception...." and if it ISN'T a deception, we'll be well past the point of possibly cushioning the effects, or even doing anything about it at all.

I have a question for you: do any major oil companies buy advertising time on TWC? How about car companies?

Uh huh....

I'll listen to the international consortium that came up with the Kyoto protocols, thanks. I always err on the side of caution, where the planet is concerned, anyway.

Edited to add: Let's all HOPE the weatherman is right in the end. As slow as we're curbing our CO2 emmissions, and as fast as China is cranking up theirs, (soon to be a far bigger polluter than we ever have been) we should all know pretty decicively far quicker than "a couple of decades."

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RE: Founder of TWC says Global Warming is a scam - 11/9/2007 12:04:13 PM   
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This is why I think all the "Global Warming People" should have to wear uniforms with beanies with propellors on top so we can identify them.

And risk confusing them with the Coast Guard?  Sounds like a bad idea to me.

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RE: Founder of TWC says Global Warming is a scam - 11/9/2007 12:04:59 PM   
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So there you go.


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RE: Founder of TWC says Global Warming is a scam - 11/9/2007 12:17:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		People really need to start getting familiar with the difference between "weather" and "climate". They are actually vastly divergent things. Weather is a short-term, local, and very NOISY phenomenon, while climate is just the opposite. They are driven by different forces. The change in greenhouse gases during any given week is negligible, so those don't have any particular relevance to a meteorologist's work. Conversely, this mass of high pressure air moving into this region here or there is irrelevant to someone studying global climate. The earth is a closed system and the major relevant things changing are going to be the conversion of trapped carbon (in fossil fuels) into heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere - along with very gradually changing solar forces, which are well-modelled as part of the equation. When modelling long-term (decades-ish) changes, a climatologist is about as interested in today's weather as he is in early 17th century Lithuanian literature.

This guy as far as I know lacks any kind of academic credentials to be making grand statements about the climate change concensus. The people who do, are in virtually universal agreement. You can find some mavericks, mostly on the petroleum industry's payrolls and almost all long-unpublished contrarians, who will pepper the march forward on this issue with their ever-retreating counter-claims, but they are footnotes basically. So, just buyer beware (of what you read). Scientists actually do know a thing or two about their fields. Really.

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RE: Founder of TWC says Global Warming is a scam - 11/9/2007 12:27:56 PM   
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I have a question for you: do any major oil companies buy advertising time on TWC?


Good point, as many of our country's major newspapers spent the late 1990s presenting "both sides" to a debate that was alredy done with in the scientific community, largely I think because they were getting pressure from their sponsors to make it looks less settled than it really was. In any case both Shell and BP now admit that they realize human generated greenhouse gases are causing the recent warming. I posted on this a few weeks ago. Even the oil-backed Bush administration is not pretending to not realize this anymore.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1364697/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#1364697

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RE: Founder of TWC says Global Warming is a scam - 11/9/2007 12:29:49 PM   
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Scientists actually do know a thing or two about their fields. Really.

Really? How about daisy world, then?

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RE: Founder of TWC says Global Warming is a scam - 11/9/2007 12:32:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Meteorologists deal with the weather a week at a time. Climatologists deal with it over Eons. Whenever a Meteorologist starts commenting on Climate Change then you know that he/she is out of his/her depth. This guy isn't qualified to make judgments on the long-term climate any more than the average Joe on the street.

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RE: Founder of TWC says Global Warming is a scam - 11/9/2007 12:32:46 PM   
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RE: Founder of TWC says Global Warming is a scam - 11/9/2007 12:43:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		It highlights a war between climatologists and meterologists. Climatologists tend to believe in man-influenced global warming while meterologists tend to believe it is normal cycles of the planet's atmosphere. And yet a 3rd group of scientists...some astronomers....think it is the sun that has increased our planet's temperature.

As of right now, environmental groups and politicians seem to be buying the Climatologist way of thinking. I've studied scientific theory and methods in college and one thing you tend to notice is that when you have debates like this with conflicting theories it is not really who's right and who's wrong... Most of the time everyone is a little right and everyone is also a little wrong. Chances are that all 3 schools of thought are at work. That's very possible. We do know that the sun right now is hotter than it has ever been in generations. It is only logical that when the sun increases in heat, our atmosphere is going to increase in temperature as well. The "sun spots" are disappearing. Sun spots are the cool dark areas of the sun's surface. When they disappear, the sun's surface temperature increases. There is also evidence that the earth does go through cycles of warming and cooling. If you look at the atmospheric cycles, this is very clear and indisputable. There is also evidence that CO2 levels are at a rapid increase leading to a greenhouse effect. So in reality....everyone may be right and wrong at the same time. And perhaps this explains how the earth is warming up so fast right now. We have more CO2, we have more heat from the sun, and the earth is going through a warming cycle.... it all makes sense that the temperature is going to rise.

But is it out of our hands? We are not god. We cannot control the planet's cycles nor the cycles of our Sun. However the global warming alarmists feel if we liquidate big oil and start walking to work everyday that somehow the earth is going to be saved. I dont buy that. I think even if you were to magically end the rise of CO2, the earth would continue to warm until the sun cools and/or the warming cycle ends.

I mean you can tell the sun is a factor in this. Anyone else notice how hot that sunlight has gotten over the last few decades? People are getting sunburns much easier than before. The rate of skin cancer is rising like never before. Here in Florida the sun is destroying plants that never used to have a problem living here. The sun has gotten hotter.

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RE: Founder of TWC says Global Warming is a scam - 11/9/2007 12:48:15 PM   
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??? come again?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daisyworld

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RE: Founder of TWC says Global Warming is a scam - 11/9/2007 12:51:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, the "informed scientists" that are today making the claims that the Earth is getting hotter, are the SAME ones that in the 1970's were saying the Earth was getting colder.

Make up your minds... Is it getting hotter in the summer or colder in the winter, or are you just getting OLD. My Grama complains that summer is hotter and winter is colder too...

Global Warming, as an anthopogenic phenomenon, IE: Caused by Man, IS bull. Period. You can't destroy the planet. It must be refreshing to have an ego that HUGE that you think you can destroy a PLANET!!! We couldn't destroy the planet if we put Darryl Gates in charge of the effort, and gave him Bill Gates' budget! If we put ALL of our planet wide resources into it, we MIGHT be able to render it uninhabitable for humans for a time, but I doubt we could even do that.  The planet is a self healing system.

I don't dismiss environmentalism, and ecology... As stewards of the planet, we are charged with its care, but there is no world wide crisis. It is a plan to force people to adopt a centrally planned economy. Since when has ANYTHING the government tried to do worked right.

Just my two cents, from someone that HAS read extensively in this field. You are being sold a bill of goods. The planet is getting warmer... don't get me wrong... It's just that there is nothing you can do about it. It will continue to get warmer for about the next 50-80- years, and then will begin cooling again. It's a regular cycle that has been going on for millenia. The total global warming they are talking about is about 2.5 degrees farenheight in 100 years, but 100 years ago, 2.5 degrees was just about the margin of error of the best measuring devices that we had...




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RE: Founder of TWC says Global Warming is a scam - 11/9/2007 1:09:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Global warming is a joke kids. Any respected paleo-climatologist will tell you. Do the research yourself online. There are many resources with 3D models and animations that show the fluctuations in earth's temperatures throughout history. Data can be skewed to reflect whatever people want to present. The Encyclopedia of Earth website, (http://www.eoearth.org/article/Global_warming) which is widely quoted, shows graphs and data that reflect a steady climb in temperatures since 1880. But, History didn't start in 1880. Read about the "Medieval Warm Period" of the 9th-14th centuries, or the "Little Ice age" in the 15th - 19th Centuries. The media spoon feeds us Hysteria, and we gorge on it without even reading the label. Do the research and make up your own mind.

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RE: Founder of TWC says Global Warming is a scam - 11/9/2007 1:14:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		There was some discussion about the solar output theory recently. If you go to Space.com, and search "global warming Mars" it will take to to a good entry point on the reports for this. However, the general concensus is that the minor rise in solar output really isn't to blame. (It might be a contributing factor, but not the whole story.) Could it all be due to natural climate cycles? Maybe... We've only been studying long term climate change for a couple of hundred years. (In comparision to the whole time of man's existence, that's just a tick of the clock.) And we have only had other planetary models to gain extra data from in the last few decades, starting with Mariner 9 in the late 70's. But something is definitely causing this polar melting. We've seen how CO2 can fry a planet via our studies of Venus. Personally, I trust the guys who work with more than one planet to draw their data set from.

A couple of other things: ... has anyone else noticed that the original statement from this gentleman is LOADED with Rush Limbaugh-speak? Also, why does he sound so incredibly jealous of Al Gore's success in his campagin to get the message out about this issue? The more I read this statement, the more I think this guy is a mouthpeice for someone else's agenda.

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RE: Founder of TWC says Global Warming is a scam - 11/9/2007 1:40:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow. So much disinformation here I doubt I can keep up, but I've got a few minutes.

Cyberdude. Sunspots actually increase the solar radiation level. I know it sounds counterintuitive, but read up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunspot

Your whole post is basically talking out of your butt (again, as every time we engage on this subject). And where is your evidence for this blanket assertion that there are "three camps" with the general beliefs you have laid out there? And do you understand that astronomers who study climate change are themselves climatologists? There isn't actually a department per se, in most universities, called "Climatology". Those who study climate are largely geologists, "earth scientists", physicists, atmospheric chemists, astronomers and at least a dozen other specialties. They all (well, as I said, 99% - there are unpublished old fogies who are living off oil money still mouthing off once inawhile with no data to support their denials) are part of the consensus that every major national and international scientific organization has gone on record with:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

TwistedPoet, not only are the thousands of climatologists who agree on this today not the same ones" who were talking about global cooling in the 1970's, barely any real scientists back then were doing so. That was a couple of mainstream scientists who wondered whether pollution was going to get bad enough to basically block out the sun (oversimplifying it). The popular media ran with it as a sensational story, but it's nothing even close to what is going on today in the scientific community. Just another of the favorite red herrings of the denial crowd.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling

And... I've gotta go. Stick your heads in the sand and lie to yourselves if you need to. But you're part of the problem then.




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