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Real Estate Holdings of the British Royal Family? - 11/2/2007 4:27:23 PM   
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Can any anti-monarchists help me out with some information here?

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RE: Real Estate Holdings of the British Royal Family? - 11/2/2007 4:46:35 PM   
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Well, let me try this:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Cahill_(author)

Who Owns the World

In his 2006 book, Who Owns the World: The Hidden Facts Behind Landownership, Kevin Cahill notes that Queen Elizabeth II is the legal owner of one sixth of the land on the earth's surface, more than any other individual or nation. This amounts to a total of 6.6 billion acres (27 million km²) in 32 countries. [2] For those unfamiliar with royalty the Crown is never separate from the individual who holds it but is as one with them. Mrs Elizabeth Mountbatten Windsor is the Crown while she is Queen, and she loses neither her personality nor her individuality while she is monarch. In all territories owned by the Crown, including Australia, New Zealand and the United Kingdom, the governments of those countries do not own the land of the country, but may and frequently do administer it on behalf of its owner, HM Elizabeth II. More significantly all forms of land possession in those territories are based, formally and in law, on the Crown's superior ownership. This is why the Land Registry in places like the United Kingdom, Canada and Australia cannot register land ownership, only tenure. This is also why freehold and leasehold are defined in law as forms of tenure, not ownership.

Cahill also noted that of all the countries in the world that he looked at over a several year period, the only major country in which ownership of land was clearly defined as belonging to the citizens who had paid for it was the United States This is sometimes called 'allodial' ownership but is a changed meaning of that word. Originally 'allodial' meant land that could not be bought or sold or have a debt attached to it. Countries which have a form of direct ownership, even if it is not clear in their respective constitutions, include Germany, Switzerland, France, possibly Spain and in the future, Russia. In the United States the Federal Government owns about one third of the land of the country. But it does so as a landowner on a legal par with any other landowner and without a superior right to any land other than that endorsed on deeds as the property of the Federal Government. As a government the Federal Authorities and other public bodies do posses the right, sometimes called 'eminent domain', to acquire privately owned land for public purposes.

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Can any citizens of England offer some opinions about Kevin Cahill, his opinions, his political work, etc?

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RE: Real Estate Holdings of the British Royal Family? - 11/2/2007 5:01:57 PM   
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That is some game of Monopoly!

"...for the whole of history all the land of the planet has been owned by 1% or less of the planet’s population. The other 99% have never owned anything and that has consequences. So there it is, for the 10,000 years of recorded history from 8000 BC in Mesopotamia ‘til approximately 1900 1% was about all who owned anything and the other 99% nothing."

http://www.rsa.org.uk/events/textdetail.asp?ReadID=785
http://www.rsa.org.uk/audio/lecture280606_128.mp3
http://www.rsa.org.uk/acrobat/cahill_280606.pdf

and finally...

http://whoownstheworld.com/

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RE: Real Estate Holdings of the British Royal Family? - 11/2/2007 5:06:39 PM   
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Chilling, but doesn't that neglect the middle class? You know, the merchants, the repairmen, non-physical laborers despised by both rich and poor alike?

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RE: Real Estate Holdings of the British Royal Family? - 11/2/2007 5:13:15 PM   
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Go Good Queen Bess...

But then I am an Imperialist.. *shrugs* as long as it is not in the USA.. and does not involve the "Bush Clan" what a bunch of wankers..

Technicaly a lot of native tribes still hold the deeds to whole cities and towns.. but the govt will not pay up even though the deeds have come due.

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RE: Real Estate Holdings of the British Royal Family? - 11/2/2007 5:14:43 PM   
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i cant say i know much about his work. i know he also wrote that a major politican who was blown up by terrorists here, was infact killed by our own security services. This despite the INLA claiming the crime themselves. Airey Neave was killed as he drove his car out of the commons car park. Cahill said he ( Neave ) was about to expose corruption.

As far as land holding goes, its owned by the state, and therefore by whoever is head of state, its not like the Queen can sell it off. The biggest land owners in the UK have always been the Crown and the Church.

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RE: Real Estate Holdings of the British Royal Family? - 11/2/2007 5:16:52 PM   
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Bit of useless info for you but apperently queen lizzie owns all the swans in the UK and if you harm one or kill one it is treason. Im a mind of useless info ya know
 
Oh and if you deface the queens head on anything such as money, that is treason too.
Off with ya head

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RE: Real Estate Holdings of the British Royal Family? - 11/2/2007 10:28:15 PM   
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Jumped through, sorry, but.......

I heard they actually own the District of Columbia, yes where the Capitol sits. Not confirmed though. Perhaps I'll look into it.

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RE: Real Estate Holdings of the British Royal Family? - 11/2/2007 10:54:06 PM   
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Oh and if you deface the queens head on anything such as money, that is treason too. Off with ya head


And quite right too.

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RE: Real Estate Holdings of the British Royal Family? - 11/2/2007 11:31:47 PM   
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Oh and if you deface the queens head on anything such as money, that is treason too. Off with ya head


And quite right too.


Thank god the Canadians put a stupid bird on their $1 CDN coin.  Until natural selection gives the Loon an opposable thumb and the ability to smelt metal to make an axe, I imagine I am safe.

*goes back to defacing Loonies*

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RE: Real Estate Holdings of the British Royal Family? - 11/3/2007 4:11:23 AM   
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YOU..... you..... Loonie defacer you....cruel heartless despicable man........be a real man!!! take on a polar bear (as seen on the toonie)
said with tongue firmly stuck in cheek and snickerin,
A Brit in Canada
Who doesnt care who owns the land....its never been a problem ...altho I cant say the same for some of the landladies Ive had over the years who thought they were queens
Im not pro or anti monarchy..... Im fond of Her Majesty, and the Queen Mum,(as was) but the rest of them can "go bugger pussy cats" as far as Im concerned.
I have more immediate issues to concern myself with...but thats just me:)
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RE: Real Estate Holdings of the British Royal Family? - 11/3/2007 4:18:21 AM   
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Im not pro or anti monarchy..... Im fond of Her Majesty, and the Queen Mum,(as was) but the rest of them can "go bugger pussy cats" as far as Im concerned.
I have more immediate issues to concern myself with...but thats just me:)
Lucy



What's more immediate than being part of a political system where a German woman who's never worked a day in her life owns you by accident of birth? Could it get any worse? Only if she was from French stock.

There's a thread about Britain's yob element somewhere, equal access to opportunity generates hard work and prosperity: for an example, see the early United States compared with Europe at that time.

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RE: Real Estate Holdings of the British Royal Family? - 11/3/2007 4:44:37 AM   
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Where does it say the Queen owns you?

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RE: Real Estate Holdings of the British Royal Family? - 11/3/2007 6:28:40 AM   
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I dont know. If you ask me, we dont own the land in the US any more than the tenure rule. While sure, we can sell what we have a deed to, we really seem to be simply leasing it from the state. They call it Taxes, I call it rent. 

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RE: Real Estate Holdings of the British Royal Family? - 11/3/2007 6:56:52 AM   
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Hi Northern,
Im working class by "accident" of birth but I have no shame about that....... I am who I am..... I have no love of the establishment/politicians/corporations/aristocracy etc etc, but having lived in more than a few countries in my life, there is no utopia, it simply doesnt exist. someone somewhere owns your arse.. you work with what you have, sometimes you can make a difference, sometimes you cant. 
Having lived below the poverty line for more years than I care to think about, then later with a family of my own to raise .....other things take priority. Living on the streets, the immediate priority was finding somewhere warm to sleep, finding food, keeping myself safe from  predators of all kinds cos quite honestly bitching about the powers that be, just didnt make things any easier, it was just another thing to add to the load, to add to the feeling of helplessness and despair.  which is self defeating but very easy to fall into.
Yeah Ive done my own share of activism, street kids, the homeless, the elderly, the handicapped, seen and felt a lot of pain and sorrow, and tried to make a difference to some lives...but Ive never been big on the hate thing.  The system is wrong, yes in so many ways, it always has been, and I think it always will be, I see no hope in that respect, mankind being the way it is at this time, so I do what I can to make things better for me and mine and the people around me.

Lucy,

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RE: Real Estate Holdings of the British Royal Family? - 11/3/2007 7:01:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: EPGAH

Chilling, but doesn't that neglect the middle class? You know, the merchants, the repairmen, non-physical laborers despised by both rich and poor alike?


rofl

Priceless.

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RE: Real Estate Holdings of the British Royal Family? - 11/3/2007 7:03:11 AM   
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Where does it say the Queen owns you?



It doesn't; it's my belief based on the fact that she and her ilk control the system to ensure that people who post on this message board can never achieve the same position in society. It's fairly clear in my mind that they make the rules and the rest of us obey in one form or another.

Until the day comes when every person can rise to all positions in English society, i.e. rather than being boxed in by heridtary wealth and appointed representatives, we're owned.

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RE: Real Estate Holdings of the British Royal Family? - 11/3/2007 7:19:55 AM   
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Hi Lucy,

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there is no utopia, it simply doesnt exist. someone somewhere owns your arse.. you work with what you have, sometimes you can make a difference, sometimes you cant. 



Well, yeah, of course there's no utopia....by virtue of there not being a consensus on what constitutes a utopia.

But, I'm not talking about a utopia; I'm talking about a long overdue change to our political system.....the French have grasped the concept, so have the Germans and Americans. In fact, the whole of the developed world has apart from us.

The way it should be in this country is this: anyone over the age of say 30 can rise to any position where his/her abilities merit that position. Exclusion is the problem. Once rules and conditions are made on who is allowed to join the club, it's divisive and the root cause of having an underclass that has no wish to respect the wider society.

I mean, people realised this during the enlightenment of the 18th century; when are we going to drag ourselves into the 18th century?

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to add to the feeling of helplessness and despair.  which is self defeating but very easy to fall into.



I personally don't see criticism of the current political system to be aligned with hopelessness; I see it as an opportunity for progress.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

but Ive never been big on the hate thing. 



'Same here: I've never hated anything in my life, but I do place great stock in identifying a failure and providing a solution.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

The system is wrong, yes in so many ways, it always has been, and I think it always will be, I see no hope in that respect, mankind being the way it is at this time, so I do what I can to make things better for me and mine and the people around me.



That's their message: "don't try and change it because it's hopeless". Nonsense. If the will is there, we can change the system within months.



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RE: Real Estate Holdings of the British Royal Family? - 11/3/2007 7:25:33 AM   
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It's fairly clear in my mind that they make the rules and the rest of us obey in one form or another.

Until the day comes when every person can rise to all positions in English society, i.e. rather than being boxed in by heridtary wealth and appointed representatives, we're owned.


Who could disagree, with regards to freedom to realise one's potential?  But surely you can aim to become an "appointed representative", too? Or do you believe that even that is beyond the reach of the common wo/man?

By virtue of her position, Her Maj wields far more influence than you or I can. But she can never set the agenda, because of constituitional restrictions on her actions. You could become an activist against say, the war, and achieve far more than she can even though she sees the PM each week. He just smiles and nods and fucks off back to Number 10.  She doesn't even have the right to vote. There's a difference between influence and power - look at the tension between Thatcher and the Queen.

The Queen doesn't have the influence of Rebekah Wade or Alan Rusbridger. She couldn't demand that Ian Blair steps down (even though he is appointed in her name) or that Britain cease trading with Burma:- if she's sent on a trade visit there, she has to go. And its no secret that most of us consider her no more than a quaint irrelevance. It's good she brings the tourists in and all that but she can't even leave the country without Brown's permission. Politically, its a gilded cage, which is probably why she takes things like the Church so seriously.

We no longer live in a society of deference and remeber there were even real fears that someone was going to pop a cap in her butt at one point. She can't sell the large part of her holdings, because they are held in trust. You may not have as much but you can flog the lot and become a beachcomber in Thailand tomorrow if you want. She can't.

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RE: Real Estate Holdings of the British Royal Family? - 11/3/2007 7:50:23 AM   
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missturbation wrote: Bit of useless info for you but apperently queen lizzie owns all the swans in the UK and if you harm one or kill one it is treason.

Not quite.  The monarch owns the swans on the Thames and its tributaries.  Harming or killing one certainly wouldn't count as treason; I doubt it would be taken more seriously than harming or killing any other swan.
 
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Oh and if you deface the queens head on anything such as money, that is treason too.  Off with ya head

Again, I'm fairly sure that defacing an image of the monarch isn't treason.  Also, even high treason isn't punishable by death any more, since EU human rights legislation (as, in this case, codified into UK law by the Crime and Disorder Act, 1998) forbids capital punishment under all circumstances.

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