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Guiliani threatens University if they do not silence cr... - 10/27/2007 10:33:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		RALEIGH, N.C. - A University of North Carolina professor said Friday that John Edwards' campaign demanded that he pull a student reporter's television story that focused on the upscale location of the campaign's headquarters.

C.A. "Charlie" Tuggle, an associate professor at the school, said the Edwards campaign contacted the reporter, second-year master's degree student Carla Babb, asking for a video of her report to be removed from the Internet. When that failed, the campaign demanded in three calls to Tuggle that the TV story be killed, he said.

Tuggle said the campaign had complained that the reporter misrepresented the story she planned to do. He also said the Edwards campaign warned that relations with the school could be jeopardized.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071026/ap_po/edwards_student_journalist;_ylt=AqUo.WycVbcoTMQsfMQv5WVh24cA


Now this is an example of a politician actually trying to silence his critics.  Imagine the furor, if it was Guiliani doing this. 
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RE: Guiliani threatens University if they do not silenc... - 10/27/2007 10:44:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		...or even worse it was the White House........and suppose that, in order to silence the critic they outed his wife......who happens to be working undercover for the US......and then, once someone had been charged and convicted in relation to the offence that the president pardoned the perp. Appalling eh?

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RE: Guiliani threatens University if they do not silenc... - 10/27/2007 10:46:19 AM   
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...or even worse it was the White House........and suppose that, in order to silence the critic they outed his wife......who happens to be working undercover for the US......and then, once someone had been charged and convicted in relation to the offence that the president pardoned the perp. Appalling eh?


Surely, that would never happen.

That said, I do think the Edwards campaign made a seriously dumb move.

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RE: Guiliani threatens University if they do not silenc... - 10/27/2007 10:49:03 AM   
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That said, I do think the Edwards campaign made a seriously dumb move.


.....agreed, but dumb moves are not the sole property of either side in US politics.......or, indeed, in any other nations politics.....

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RE: Guiliani threatens University if they do not silenc... - 10/27/2007 10:51:02 AM   
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dumb moves are not the sole property of either side in US politics


Too true.

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RE: Guiliani threatens University if they do not silenc... - 10/27/2007 10:56:39 AM   
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I agree. A totally stupid move. For one thing we all know that once something is on the Net you can't just pull it back. There will be copies everywhere even if you try.

Normally Edwards is a pretty savvy guy when it comes to this sort of thing. All those years as a lawyer gave him at least some sort of street smarts. So I have to assume that some campaign staff underling was the one to try to pressure the school. There's even a good chance Edwards himself didn't know about this till it went public.
 
That said, it makes me wonder if this was simply a dumb staffer move or if Edwards is victim of a planted saboteur on his staff. These days politics is so dirty it almost seems likely.

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RE: Guiliani threatens University if they do not silenc... - 10/27/2007 11:01:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually Libby was convicted of a different offense.  He was not even charged with leaking her name.  Richard Armitage did that.  Not exactly sure what "in relation to the offense" means.  Also he was not Pardoned.  His jail time was commuted, he is still a convict, and on probation, and must pay a fine. 

But why the hijack?  The best you have about this subject is to distract, with things that are not even true.  Weren't you pretending to have some sort of alliegance to the Truth on a different thread?   

Am I to take it you are in favor of threatening universities and demanding students work be pulled from the Internet?


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RE: Guiliani threatens University if they do not silenc... - 10/27/2007 11:03:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Wait.. I'm confused... Guiliani is listed in the subject line.

Oh well. If the campaign had anything actionable, the researcher and university would have already been served with injunctions. Shit, who believes there's any difference between any of the "Viable" candidates, and the horking-piece-of-shit we have today?



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RE: Guiliani threatens University if they do not silenc... - 10/27/2007 11:04:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lucky, are you responding to me or to philosphy? I've already said I thought this was a dumb move.

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RE: Guiliani threatens University if they do not silenc... - 10/27/2007 11:10:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry DC, it was to Philosophy.  My question to you would be, Dumb because it looks bad, or dumb because it is wrong?, especially when you consider his support for the fairness doctrine.

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RE: Guiliani threatens University if they do not silenc... - 10/27/2007 11:11:05 AM   
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Dumb because it looks bad, or dumb because it is wrong?


Both.

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RE: Guiliani threatens University if they do not silenc... - 10/27/2007 11:47:16 AM   
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But why the hijack?  The best you have about this subject is to distract, with things that are not even true.  Weren't you pretending to have some sort of alliegance to the Truth on a different thread?   

Am I to take it you are in favor of threatening universities and demanding students work be pulled from the Internet?




....thanks for the clarification regarding Libby's conviction. As to whether it was a hijack, you did that yourself with the subject line. The story was about Edwards, you compared it to Guiliani......i compared it to Bush/Libby. Not a hijack, merely a ontinuation of the tactic you employed in the op.
As for your last paragraph, that's the purest bs. If you had bothered to read the rest of the thread you'd have seen i agreed with Dcnovice that it was a bad move on Edward's part......but i suppose attacking someone whose words you have failed to understand is more appealing to you than actually reading what they write.

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RE: Guiliani threatens University if they do not silenc... - 10/27/2007 12:51:17 PM   
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Now this is an example of a politician actually trying to silence his critics.  Imagine the furor, if it was Guiliani doing this.


You mean things like Guiliani's government adopting the propensity to arrest reporters who covered topics unpopular with the Guiliani government? I don't know; what do you think the "furor" was?

Is the OP real? Or is it one of the propagandistic bumper stickers I frequently mention: indifferent when something is routinely done by the right; using a microscope to find one example outside the right and then making a big thing of it?

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RE: Guiliani threatens University if they do not silenc... - 10/27/2007 4:27:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		hello. Your post starts with, "Guiliani threatens University" then goes on to talk about Edwards. Boy,..I dont want you reporting the news. You're not very good at telling us who you're talking about. Thats for sure.

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RE: Guiliani threatens University if they do not silenc... - 10/27/2007 5:32:59 PM   
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That said, it makes me wonder if this was simply a dumb staffer move or if Edwards is victim of a planted saboteur on his staff. These days politics is so dirty it almost seems likely.




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RE: Guiliani threatens University if they do not silenc... - 10/27/2007 5:35:26 PM   
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hello. Your post starts with, "Guiliani threatens University" then goes on to talk about Edwards. Boy,..I dont want you reporting the news. You're not very good at telling us who you're talking about. Thats for sure.




      Had something nasty to say about Republicans all ready to post huh? 

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RE: Guiliani threatens University if they do not silenc... - 10/27/2007 5:35:56 PM   
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hello. Your post starts with, "Guiliani threatens University" then goes on to talk about Edwards. Boy,..I dont want you reporting the news. You're not very good at telling us who you're talking about. Thats for sure.


I'm guessing the "error" was deliberate: We leftish types would see the thread headline and swarm here to pounce on poor Rudy, then be brought up short when the villain turned out to be the Democratic Edwards.

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RE: Guiliani threatens University if they do not silenc... - 10/27/2007 5:38:49 PM   
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RE: Guiliani threatens University if they do not silenc... - 10/27/2007 5:48:48 PM   
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...or even worse it was the White House........and suppose that, in order to silence the critic they outed his wife......who happens to be working undercover for the US......and then, once someone had been charged and convicted in relation to the offence that the president pardoned the perp. Appalling eh?


And suppose this woman wasn't undercover, that in fact her grade school child knew and told his whole class. In fact, what if she actually worked at CIA headquarters (no one undercover does, by defination) ? Suppose she sent her clueless about nuclear technology husband to a do an "investigation" about yellowcake inquiries by Saddam's regime in order to embarass the President. Both of them should of been out on their asses, unemployed, immediately. England and every other country that has intelligence assets in the area and commented about it still stand by the original story.

And as far as the conviction goes. He was tried in a DC district that was 9 to 1 democrat. His counsel ran out of pre-empertory challenges to potential jurors because there's no one in DC that will give a republican a fair shake. Hence, his conviction for obstruction of justice *DESPITE* there being no underlying crime. A first in the US justice system.

And boys and girls, if they can do it to him, they can do it to anybody. If you don't believe me just look at the outrage that Bush commuted his sentence instead of pardoning him. Since he wasn't pardoned he still has a right to appeal, an appeal that won't revolve around DC socialist jurors. Seems certain people in the government would rather see him pardoned instead of him getting a true hearing.

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RE: Guiliani threatens University if they do not silenc... - 10/27/2007 6:10:48 PM   
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And boys and girls, if they can do it to him, they can do it to anybody.


Yet Mr. Libby's supporters haven't been notably concerned about the rights or plights of other criminal defendants. That task generally falls to us bleeding hearts.

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