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RE: Further proof that winning a Nobel doesn't equal in... - 10/26/2007 8:29:50 AM   
Alumbrado


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"all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours _ whereas all the testing says not really."


Interesting that so many people are upset by his saying it is a fact that their intelligence is the same is everyone else's.

As opposed to asking what is wrong with the testing.

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RE: Further proof that winning a Nobel doesn't equal in... - 10/26/2007 10:28:56 AM   
farglebargle


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Status: offline 		I chalk it up to "Just another old crank, with ideas we got rid of 30 years ago, who didn't really get the memo back then..."

It's shameful when say, anyone born after 1965 would propose something like that.

I would have expressed his intent, I suppose as:

"all our social policies are based on the ..."

assumption

" ... that their ..."

social context and interpersonal relationships are

" ... the same as ours _ whereas all the testing says not really."

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RE: Further proof that winning a Nobel doesn't equal in... - 10/26/2007 2:55:46 PM   
Alumbrado


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Status: offline 		We can read what he actually said, no need to alter the words.

Do you agree that it is a fact that intelligence (but not scores on IQ tests) is equally distributed across racial lines?


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RE: Further proof that winning a Nobel doesn't equal in... - 10/26/2007 3:15:11 PM   
farglebargle


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Is Intelligence equally divided across racial lines?

Given my Physical Anthropology background, I would dispute the existence of anything called a race.

I myself, think that Intelligence is a constant, and the more people you have, the stupider each one, on average, is.

Let's see... Are Ashkenazi Jews smarter than Sephardi or Mizrahi? I don't think so. Are Jews smarter than the rest of the Caucasians. I don't think so. Are Caucasians smarter than Asians? Vice Versa? Nope.

I think that there's a huge variation in people, and among any subset you'll find those who are barely functional, and those whom excel.

I don't know if it's a FACT without any meaningful metrics. I could see various people arriving at different conclusions based on their choice of metrics to consider.

Sounds like Global Warming. A Complex System, to which any Complex answer is wrong.



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RE: Further proof that winning a Nobel doesn't equal in... - 10/26/2007 3:26:59 PM   
Alumbrado


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And your 'anthropology background' is as homemade as your legal or religious expertise. The existence and usage of racial categories has already been clearly defined within the context of intelligence and testing.

Quit trying to hide behind another derail rant, and answer the quetion... do you disagree with Watson's statement that it is a fact that Africans are equally intelligent?

Based on your hatemongering against every other possible group, I'd susepect that you do.

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RE: Further proof that winning a Nobel doesn't equal in... - 10/26/2007 3:31:54 PM   
farglebargle


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Status: offline 		Being an Ashkenazi, perhaps I don't care what you call yourself? You understood the point, and that was sufficient.

"Do you disagree with Watson's statement: that it is a fact that Africans are equally intelligent? "

Equally intelligent as what? As each other, or as other populations. Again, since you can find really smart people and really dumb people everywhere, how do you determine that outside of cultural contexts?



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RE: Further proof that winning a Nobel doesn't equal in... - 10/26/2007 7:17:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

Welcome back to JuliaOceania. Disagree with you a lot but I like reading your posts. I lurve your blue stockings lol


I did not know I had blue stockings.,... or is this some English thing that I am not aware of?

Thanks for the welcome back

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RE: Further proof that winning a Nobel doesn't equal in... - 10/26/2007 7:25:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

quote:

"all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours _ whereas all the testing says not really."


Interesting that so many people are upset by his saying it is a fact that their intelligence is the same is everyone else's.

As opposed to asking what is wrong with the testing.


Yes, that's what I'd like to know.  There's absolutely no reason for the lower test scores (even taking the socio-economic aspect out of it) so what's going on?  The only equality in testing you find is when the minority children have been homeschooled.  Though I don't remember if they score on par with white homeschooled kids or not.  I suspect they do (or should).

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RE: Further proof that winning a Nobel doesn't equal in... - 10/27/2007 1:51:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave
Welcome back to JuliaOceania. Disagree with you a lot but I like reading your posts. I lurve your blue stockings lol

I did not know I had blue stockings.,... or is this some English thing that I am not aware of?
Thanks for the welcome back


Julia: a "blue stocking" is an expression for an academic thoughtful woman who may well ride an old fashioned upright bicyle wearing a tweedy skirt and sensible shoes. She is intellectual and misguidedly Liberal lol
It can be googled to find other definitions.

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