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Level -> Further proof that winning a Nobel doesn't equal intelligence (10/25/2007 4:27:47 PM)

NEW YORK - James Watson, the Nobel laureate who sparked an international furor last week with comments about intelligence levels among blacks, has retired from his post at a prestigious research institution.

Watson, 79, and the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory in New York announced his departure Thursday. Watson was chancellor of the institution, and his retirement was effective immediately.

Watson was widely condemned last week for remarks he made in the Sunday Times Magazine of London on Oct. 14. A profile quoted him as saying that he's "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours _ whereas all the testing says not really."

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seeksfemslave -> RE: Further proof that winning a Nobel doesn't equal intelligence (10/25/2007 4:36:42 PM)

What the treatment Watson received demonstrates is that a liberal concensus exists which is arbitrary, censorial and not prepared to debate certain issues.
In this case 'cos they know they would lose.



sophia37 -> RE: Further proof that winning a Nobel doesn't equal intelligence (10/25/2007 5:31:14 PM)

I guess hes a man of an era. Personally? Lets use that line again, but instead of talking about black people, lets pretend hes talking about elected officials. Shall we? "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours _ whereas all the testing says not really" Now doesnt that seem like an intelligent assumption? 



winterlight -> RE: Further proof that winning a Nobel doesn't equal intelligence (10/25/2007 5:32:56 PM)

When do the newspapers get their quotes right? How many have been busted for made up articles etc.?



awmslave -> RE: Further proof that winning a Nobel doesn't equal intelligence (10/25/2007 5:57:13 PM)

quote:

Watson was widely condemned last week for remarks he made in the Sunday Times Magazine of London on Oct. 14. A profile quoted him as saying that he's "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours _ whereas all the testing says not really."
Dr. Watson was correct. Regrettably he made the conclusion I do not agree with. The commonly used tests test in big part ignorance level rather than intelligence.



awmslave -> RE: Further proof that winning a Nobel doesn't equal intelligence (10/25/2007 5:58:31 PM)

Another comment: I do not think he should be crucified for that.



juliaoceania -> RE: Further proof that winning a Nobel doesn't equal intelligence (10/25/2007 6:15:39 PM)

I heard about this today, it never ceases to amaze me how some academics will speak outside of their area of expertise and prove that being "specialized" doesn't equate intellectual prowess.... crying shame that he is as ignorant as he is



Level -> RE: Further proof that winning a Nobel doesn't equal intelligence (10/25/2007 6:25:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sophia37

I guess hes a man of an era. Personally? Lets use that line again, but instead of talking about black people, lets pretend hes talking about elected officials. Shall we? "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours _ whereas all the testing says not really" Now doesnt that seem like an intelligent assumption? 


No.
 
Now, substitute "morals" for "intelligence", and I may agree with you.



Level -> RE: Further proof that winning a Nobel doesn't equal intelligence (10/25/2007 6:26:35 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I heard about this today, it never ceases to amaze me how some academics will speak outside of their area of expertise and prove that being "specialized" doesn't equate intellectual prowess.... crying shame that he is as ignorant as he is


Hey you!!  [sm=hello.gif]



juliaoceania -> RE: Further proof that winning a Nobel doesn't equal intelligence (10/25/2007 6:27:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Level

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I heard about this today, it never ceases to amaze me how some academics will speak outside of their area of expertise and prove that being "specialized" doesn't equate intellectual prowess.... crying shame that he is as ignorant as he is


Hey you!!  [sm=hello.gif]

Hey! How are you btw?



Level -> RE: Further proof that winning a Nobel doesn't equal intelligence (10/25/2007 6:45:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

quote:

ORIGINAL: Level

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I heard about this today, it never ceases to amaze me how some academics will speak outside of their area of expertise and prove that being "specialized" doesn't equate intellectual prowess.... crying shame that he is as ignorant as he is


Hey you!!  [sm=hello.gif]

Hey! How are you btw?


I'm doing pretty well, thanks. [:D] I'm really glad to see you back, julia.



juliaoceania -> RE: Further proof that winning a Nobel doesn't equal intelligence (10/25/2007 6:49:45 PM)

Thanks Level, I will not forget ya'll no matter how busy I get for this long again.... promise!

I have been very busy.



Level -> RE: Further proof that winning a Nobel doesn't equal intelligence (10/25/2007 6:56:18 PM)

Good, we need you here [;)]. Looking at your profile, it does indeed appear  you've been busy! Life is good, I take it.....



juliaoceania -> RE: Further proof that winning a Nobel doesn't equal intelligence (10/25/2007 6:59:51 PM)

On every level life is good.

I still follow South Beach Diet principles. I do not weigh myself, but the other day my mom told me I look better on the way to turning 40 than I did at 30... I cross train about 14 hours a week... yoga, cardio, weight training, and balance training. I even see my abs these days! I am soooo proud of this. Are you still following Atkins?



Level -> RE: Further proof that winning a Nobel doesn't equal intelligence (10/25/2007 7:10:47 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

On every level life is good.

I still follow South Beach Diet principles. I do not weigh myself, but the other day my mom told me I look better on the way to turning 40 than I did at 30... I cross train about 14 hours a week... yoga, cardio, weight training, and balance training. I even see my abs these days! I am soooo proud of this. Are you still following Atkins?


I'm very proud of you, sticking to it like that [8|]
 
I've gone to a hodge-podge of low carb theories..... Atkins, Michael Eades' protein-power, and something called Paleo, which emphasizes natural foods, the ones we ate as we evolved: beef, poultry, eggs, nuts, and vegetables, but with dairy added. I've lost a total of 110 pounds, in a little less than a year, and am keeping my blood sugar at non-diabetic numbers [X(]



juliaoceania -> RE: Further proof that winning a Nobel doesn't equal intelligence (10/25/2007 7:18:40 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Level

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

On every level life is good.

I still follow South Beach Diet principles. I do not weigh myself, but the other day my mom told me I look better on the way to turning 40 than I did at 30... I cross train about 14 hours a week... yoga, cardio, weight training, and balance training. I even see my abs these days! I am soooo proud of this. Are you still following Atkins?


I'm very proud of you, sticking to it like that [8|]
 
I've gone to a hodge-podge of low carb theories..... Atkins, Michael Eades' protein-power, and something called Paleo, which emphasizes natural foods, the ones we ate as we evolved: beef, poultry, eggs, nuts, and vegetables, but with dairy added. I've lost a total of 110 pounds, in a little less than a year, and am keeping my blood sugar at non-diabetic numbers [X(]


That is so incredible! You are CM's biggest loser (and I mean that in the bestest of ways[:D]...). I know what a struggle it is... I had gotten lax in my workout habits, feeling out of control over my life... my weight started to climb again last winter. I think I gained about 30 lbs back when I read SB. It has taken me all these months to lose, but I wear a size 8 now, last winter a size 14 was skin tight on me. I want to lose about 10 more lbs of body fat, but I am very happy with how I feel. I actually look forward to going to the gym every day... so this time I cannot conceive of anything that would make me change my lifestyle. And it is fun to turn heads going into middle age[;)]

My brother is going to a nutritionalist because of diabetes...they were threatening him with insulin treatments. He reversed it with diet alone. Hopefully it will be a lifestyle for him too. Do you have anymore weight to lose?



Level -> RE: Further proof that winning a Nobel doesn't equal intelligence (10/25/2007 7:26:18 PM)

No, no more weight needs to come off! I figured it would stop at it's "natural" level, and so it did.  What you said, about how you "feel" is sooooo important. What the scale says matters, but how you feel, and your health, those are the things to be treasured.
 
Hey, I can't recommend strongly enough a book that just came out, Good Calories, Bad Calories, by Gary Taubes. It pretty much destroys the "low fat is good for you" theory, as well as several other hypothesises. Taubes is a highly-awarded science writer, not a diet "shill" lol, and he backs up what he says with a huge amount of research.
 
Size 8...... I imagine  you do turn the heads [X(]



juliaoceania -> RE: Further proof that winning a Nobel doesn't equal intelligence (10/25/2007 7:31:08 PM)

I do not watch my fat intake. I do watch my processed food intake. I am not religious about it mind you. There are days I eat whatever I feel like eating... otherwise I do not think I would be able to eat right most of the time. I tend to be an all or nothing type... so it is hard for me to be moderate I suppose, but to last a lifetime, the way I look at food has to allow for treats and goodies (like cheesecake and cookie dough ice cream).



Level -> RE: Further proof that winning a Nobel doesn't equal intelligence (10/25/2007 7:35:12 PM)

*drools a bit at cookie dough ice cream*
 
Well, it sounds like you're doing an awesome job, my friend. I have to take off, again, I'm happy you're back. *hugs*
 
Talk to you soon.



seeksfemslave -> RE: Further proof that winning a Nobel doesn't equal intelligence (10/26/2007 7:16:44 AM)

Welcome back to JuliaOceania. Disagree with you a lot but I like reading your posts. I lurve your blue stockings lol



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