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RE: Helpful Guide: When to stone your children to death - 10/24/2007 12:56:36 PM   
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Yeah....definitely limited intelligence.

You accuse someone of being hateful....does it get anymore hateful than sending an army to iraq and bulldozing cities and people? Where do you stand on this, Sanity? Do you support the US invasion of Iraq?


Who has bulldozed cities and people in Iraq - now you're imagining things. The U.S. Military freed Iraq, and we are building up it's cities and people after years of horrid totalitarian rule by a truly evil dictator.

And since you haven't figured out my take on Iraq by now, you're obviously not in a very good position to ridicule my intelligence, are you, "mate".


Well, as you're so keen for people to figure you out, mate, just type one word......

Do you support the invasion of Iraq?

Yes or no?

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RE: Helpful Guide: When to stone your children to death - 10/24/2007 12:56:49 PM   
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Stats provided by whom?


Read today's paper.


lol......will do....is there anything in there about a fox playing the lottery, winning 10 million pounds and setting up business as a dentist?


Make fun of that which you don't understand, or don't wish to.  In case there's any doubt in your small little mind, it was an Associated Press posting.

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RE: Helpful Guide: When to stone your children to death - 10/24/2007 1:00:33 PM   
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Make fun of that which you don't understand, or don't wish to.  In case there's any doubt in your small little mind, it was an Associated Press posting.



Really? Well, if it's an Associated Press posting, then it must be true........why don't you send me some of these Associated Press postings and I'll eat them with milk in the morning, and repeat them verbatim.

Not making fun of course, just a simple request from a country lad.

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RE: Helpful Guide: When to stone your children to death - 10/24/2007 1:23:57 PM   
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Is this the same Sanity who is busy justifying contemporary torture in the thread on rendition?


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....ah, now be fair.....Sanity has not so far explicitly said that the torture was justified. He has said, though, that it is perfectly ok to lie about torturing innocents.....as to do so, in his view, is to hand a propaganda coup to the enemy.

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RE: Helpful Guide: When to stone your children to death - 10/24/2007 1:24:09 PM   
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Is this the same Sanity who is busy justifying contemporary torture in the thread on rendition?


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Let's pretend that I did say that I was in favor of torture in that thread, even though I didn't.

Would that make a hateful attack by someone else against a group of people any less hateful? And why do you run to that for justification...


Let's pretend you can deny condoning torture in that other thread, it is relevant because your protestations here become hypocrisy. And while that would not justify an unconnected hateful attack elsewhere, it would render your concern for the feelings of others selective, therefore your outrage at and judgment of the OP, invalid.


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RE: Helpful Guide: When to stone your children to death - 10/24/2007 1:27:14 PM   
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Is this the same Sanity who is busy justifying contemporary torture in the thread on rendition?


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....ah, now be fair.....Sanity has not so far explicitly said that the torture was justified. He has said, though, that it is perfectly ok to lie about torturing innocents.....as to do so, in his view, is to hand a propaganda coup to the enemy.


But remaining silent about a crime is a form of complicity in it. No? And condoning complicity is complicity in itself...


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RE: Helpful Guide: When to stone your children to death - 10/24/2007 1:28:49 PM   
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But remaining silent about a crime is a form of complicity in it. No? And condoning complicity is complicity in itself...


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...oh don't get me wrong...i think Sanity is entirely mistaken in his view.....i was just being precise ......

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RE: Helpful Guide: When to stone your children to death - 10/24/2007 2:42:49 PM   
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Make fun of that which you don't understand, or don't wish to.  In case there's any doubt in your small little mind, it was an Associated Press posting.



Really? Well, if it's an Associated Press posting, then it must be true........why don't you send me some of these Associated Press postings and I'll eat them with milk in the morning, and repeat them verbatim.

Not making fun of course, just a simple request from a country lad.


Which source would you "approve of?"  If you believe nothing which you read other than what slams the US and it's behavior in Iraq, then it is pointless to have this discussion with you.

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RE: Helpful Guide: When to stone your children to death - 10/24/2007 3:01:42 PM   
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Let's pretend you can deny condoning torture in that other thread, it is relevant because your protestations here become hypocrisy.



No, they're different subjects. It would make me a hypocrite only if, like her, I were making such an ugly hate attack for no good reason. I can hold varying opinions on other totally unrelated subjects without being the slightest bit hypocritical, Zensee.

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And while that would not justify an unconnected hateful attack elsewhere, it would render your concern for the feelings of others selective, therefore your outrage at and judgment of the OP, invalid.


My perceived outrage or judgment aren't the issue, regardless of how much you want them to be. Things are what they are, regardless of how I feel about them or how I see them... in other words, the OP and post #4 in this thread are ugly, and they're hateful - and you're not changing that by attacking me any time soon.

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RE: Helpful Guide: When to stone your children to death - 10/24/2007 3:14:03 PM   
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....ah, now be fair.....Sanity has not so far explicitly said that the torture was justified. He has said, though, that it is perfectly ok to lie about torturing innocents.....as to do so, in his view, is to hand a propaganda coup to the enemy.


To be even more precise, I was talking about a purely hypothetical situation, and I didn't say thaat it would be perfectly okay to lie about torturing. What I said was,  since any modern war is won or lost through propaganda battles more than anything else, any such admission would be used to help defeat a given power - wouldn't it.

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RE: Helpful Guide: When to stone your children to death - 10/24/2007 3:15:50 PM   
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....does it get anymore hateful than sending an army to Iraq and bulldozing cities and people? Where do you stand on this, Sanity? Do you support the US invasion of Iraq?

Well I did. Whats so wrong about getting rid of a homicidal lunatic who would summilarly[Spelling lol I'm drunk so I just done care] execute any one who displeased him ?

The fact that power mad Islamic fundamentalists want to kill any one who stands in their way is  the problem in Iraq today.
Wait till they have major influence in Manchester and then let us know what you think  NG

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RE: Helpful Guide: When to stone your children to death - 10/24/2007 3:48:20 PM   
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....ah, now be fair.....Sanity has not so far explicitly said that the torture was justified. He has said, though, that it is perfectly ok to lie about torturing innocents.....as to do so, in his view, is to hand a propaganda coup to the enemy.


To be even more precise, I was talking about a purely hypothetical situation, and I didn't say thaat it would be perfectly okay to lie about torturing. What I said was,  since any modern war is won or lost through propaganda battles more than anything else, any such admission would be used to help defeat a given power - wouldn't it.


...nope......i answered that on the rendition thread.......feel free to rebut me there.

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RE: Helpful Guide: When to stone your children to death - 10/24/2007 7:41:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		i have a problem with anyone who feels a need to mock and disrespect others religions. Faith is a personal thing, and if you have none, thats your problem, not mine. We will find out who is right when we die( hopefully many years from now will screwing our brains out).  You live your truth, i will live mine.

  Of course, if you decide that your religion is better than mine and try to kill me or mine because of it, i will gladly send you ahead to talk it over with Whoever is in charge. 12 gauge deer slug supplied free of charge.

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RE: Helpful Guide: When to stone your children to death - 10/24/2007 9:31:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		The OP has an obvious agenda and by reading her posts it is all too clear that she is a huge Mother Earther, believes the United States is the root cause of the world's suffering and can't stand Christians. This is thread is par for the course.

But as Sanity has pointed out, the stoning to death of women and children goes on hourly throughout the Islamic world. The modern day Islamic world. So it really is of no consequence what they were doing in 1500 AD as no doubt, while curing  all sorts of diseases, they were still stoning to death women and children hourly. 

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RE: Helpful Guide: When to stone your children to death - 10/24/2007 9:38:46 PM   
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i have a problem with anyone who feels a need to mock and disrespect others religions. Faith is a personal thing, and if you have none, thats your problem, not mine. We will find out who is right when we die( hopefully many years from now will screwing our brains out).  You live your truth, i will live mine.


So if the mainstream of said religion advocates and has defacto scantion by governments of their countries, the killing of rape victims, homosexuals and adultness women, the cutting off of the clitoris of diobediant young girls, girls caught masturbating or even looking at men, much less touching men its all live and let live?????

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RE: Helpful Guide: When to stone your children to death - 10/25/2007 12:03:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Its important, should one have issues, to be hateful towards Christianity, not Christians themselves.

As it says in the New Testament "hate the sin, not the sinner"

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RE: Helpful Guide: When to stone your children to death - 10/25/2007 9:16:43 AM   
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And the OP was being extremely hateful. That much was clear.


Or, perhaps the "OP" was trying to point out that a Bronze Age document that advocates stoning people at the drop of a hat should not be the text that guides our government. I know that the New Testament is supposed to supercede the OT, but there are large swaths of humanity (one third of the GOP) in this country that don't even understand this about their declared religion. Their constant obsession with homosexuality (which the New Testament does not seem to care about) is pretty clear evidence of this.

In other words, I'd like us to move into the 21st century, if it's not too much to ask.

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RE: Helpful Guide: When to stone your children to death - 10/25/2007 11:36:21 AM   
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And the OP was being extremely hateful. That much was clear.


Or, perhaps the "OP" was trying to point out that a Bronze Age document that advocates stoning people at the drop of a hat should not be the text that guides our government.

It's not the guiding text for our government.  The constitution is.
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I know that the New Testament is supposed to supercede the OT, but there are large swaths of humanity (one third of the GOP) in this country that don't even understand this about their declared religion.

Sure they do.  They understand how outdated quite a bit of the OT is, and why it's outdated (though you don't seem to).  Have you seen a rash of stonings about the country that the rest of us have missed?  If it were a major inspiration for behavoir, surely you'd see that reflected in the mainstream. 
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Their constant obsession with homosexuality (which the New Testament does not seem to care about) is pretty clear evidence of this.


This here is the true issue that you are concerned with.  While the NT doesn't specifically address it, neither does it overturn or fufill that part of the law, as it does with other things- such as stonings.  I personally believe that for most, any reason to justify their dislike of homosexuality as a practice is enough.  I've seen reasons all over the place.  So really, to blame Christianity (when all sorts of religions frown upon it) for their prohibition of homosexual behavior is rather a stretch.  Try being a practicing homosexual in a Muslim nation.  I think you'll find actual stonings happening there, and they don't follow the OT nor the NT at all.

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In other words, I'd like us to move into the 21st century, if it's not too much to ask.


So if someone has an opposing viewpoint, it means they aren't modern enough?

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RE: Helpful Guide: When to stone your children to death - 10/25/2007 11:47:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Stoning people to death is not an everyday occurance in Islamic countries.  It does occur in some of the most backwards communities in the world, many of which are Islamic.  Witches are still being burned in parts of Africa.  However even in progressive Islamic nations like Egypt and Iran (which some claim is a fully functioning democrcay)enganging in homosexual activity is a crime that you go to jail for. 

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RE: Helpful Guide: When to stone your children to death - 10/25/2007 11:50:09 AM   
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Stoning people to death is not an everyday occurance in Islamic countries.  It does occur in some of the most backwards communities in the world, many of which are Islamic.  Witches are still being burned in parts of Africa.  However even in progressive Islamic nations like Egypt and Iran (which some claim is a fully functioning democrcay)enganging in homosexual activity is a crime that you go to jail for. 


Just for clarification, I didn't say it was commonplace anywhere... just that'd you'd be more likely to find it happening period.

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