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RE: Japan revises history books - 10/25/2007 8:53:05 AM   
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Are you now claiming your aunt was Okinawan?

Also why not report it to proper authorities while you were supposedly in country?



My grandparents moved to Okinawa after the bombing of Hiroshima trying to escape the war. Why they thought Okinawa was any better I dont know.

In Iraq if your not an American soldier your little better off than the Iraqis themselves and confunting or reporting American misconduct is a good way to get your self shot. Also there is little chain of comand in Baghdad, mostly just redneck hoolgins running around with guns. Check out the internet just about every site has videos goofing off (stuffing 15 guys into a porta-john is not how you win the war on terrorism) or racually sluring the very people they're helping. Some sites actually have videos of these acts being comitted. Lets not for the the pictures of the Afgani butt pyramid pictures that where all over the new about a year or so ago.


It apparent that you've got a hardon for the US, and the US military.

Just FYI, if you even bothered to read the article that the OP posted the link to, you'll find out what one Japanese woman said about American soldiers who captured her, after she and her family were ordered to commit suicide, rather than surrender to the invading US forces:

For Miyahira, whose brothers and relatives killed themselves, the memory of what happened after she was captured by US soldiers as she fled the bombing undergirds her opposition to any textbook revision. "When Americans offered us something good to eat, I was finally able to think of many of my family members who committed mass suicide," she recalls. "I could not bear it."

It's obvious you have a problem with the conduct with soldiers in Iraq.  However, based on your self-evident lack of ability to reason, write or think, I suspect the term "confabulation" would be the most ... polite ... way to describe your comments.

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RE: Japan revises history books - 10/25/2007 8:56:55 AM   
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I'm afraid that whatever good points Joanus would like to bring to people's attention (anyone who didn't know about the US fire bombings in Japan should read up) are getting lost in the 'tude and delivery.

Not that attitude and a confrontational style are a bad thing....

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RE: Japan revises history books - 10/25/2007 8:59:01 AM   
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I've seen videos of young soldiers acting like young people do everywhere. I've never seen evidence that a group in a hummer opened up on a playground with an MG while blaring loud music and shouting racial epithets. Seems like you're the only surviving witness since I just checked around and even al-jazeera never reported on this event. Neither did Reuters or the BBC or any of the other international news services that do certainly look into all claims of atrocities by US troops.

I've also once again checked the lists of crimes commited by US troops on Okinawa. No case of 3 commisioned officers raping and killing a 12 year old girl acccording to the Okinawan civilian government.

You're making extraordinary claims which you need to be able to support.

Thompsonx, here's a little something left on the museum site that pretty clearly has no business in the building if the museum is all about Hiroshima:
http://www.pcf.city.hiroshima.jp/frame/Virtual_e/exhibit_e/index.html
This is a special exhibit from 2 years ago. The website doesn't catalog what special exhibits it had on display almost 20 years ago when I was there but here:
http://www.japanfocus.org/products/details/2477
is an article that describes how exhibits critical of Japan's role in WWII only appeared in the museum in the 1990's.

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RE: Japan revises history books - 10/25/2007 9:02:18 AM   
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Not that attitude and a confrontational style are a bad thing....


hehe 

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RE: Japan revises history books - 10/25/2007 9:11:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

I'm afraid that whatever good points Joanus would like to bring to people's attention (anyone who didn't know about the US fire bombings in Japan should read up) are getting lost in the 'tude and delivery.

Not that attitude and a confrontational style are a bad thing....


I believe you may be right, and the only way Americans would understand Occupation would be if someone invaded them and took over. That mean you Canada, just kidding. But you really can't understand something like that with out going through it yourself, so I recommend that some of you try running around the Middle East as an unarmed civilian. (though I would recommend you arm your self)

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RE: Japan revises history books - 11/2/2007 9:58:37 PM   
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I've seen videos of young soldiers acting like young people do everywhere. I've never seen evidence that a group in a hummer opened up on a playground with an MG while blaring loud music and shouting racial epithets. Seems like you're the only surviving witness since I just checked around and even al-jazeera never reported on this event. Neither did Reuters or the BBC or any of the other international news services that do certainly look into all claims of atrocities by US troops.

I've also once again checked the lists of crimes commited by US troops on Okinawa. No case of 3 commisioned officers raping and killing a 12 year old girl acccording to the Okinawan civilian government.

You're making extraordinary claims which you need to be able to support.

Thompsonx, here's a little something left on the museum site that pretty clearly has no business in the building if the museum is all about Hiroshima:
http://www.pcf.city.hiroshima.jp/frame/Virtual_e/exhibit_e/index.html
This is a special exhibit from 2 years ago. The website doesn't catalog what special exhibits it had on display almost 20 years ago when I was there but here:
http://www.japanfocus.org/products/details/2477
is an article that describes how exhibits critical of Japan's role in WWII only appeared in the museum in the 1990's.

DomKen:
The second cite does not open for me for some reason.
While the first site did open I could find nothing on the page that was not related to the A bomb.  To what specifically were you referring?
Japan's culpability in WW II is hardly at question.  The causes of the war between Japan and her neighbors requires a thorough understanding of East Asian history something few westerners have any knowledge of.  I have offered the titles of several interesting books giving an overview of the situation should you choose to avail yourself of them.
I am not an apologist for Japan or her policies I was simply pointing out that "Peace Park" in Hiroshima is a museum dedicated to the A bomb and its ramifications.  It is dedicated neither to being the "mea culpa" of Japan for her history or the ovation to America for the "bringing of enlightenment" to the "heathen yellow hoard"
thompson

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RE: Japan revises history books - 11/2/2007 11:56:55 PM   
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Been a while, but I dont recall the Okinawan peoples having particularly fond memories of occupation by the Japanese prior to their "liberation" by US forces in World War 2. 

Makes me wonder if occupation by a hostile armed force is the problem, rather than the team jersey that force happens to wear.  The following link www.prisonexp.org/ may give you some insight into why that is.

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RE: Japan revises history books - 11/3/2007 6:44:52 AM   
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Yet another attempt by Japanese nationalists to revise their history away so they can rearm and rebuild their empire.

I've never been as offended as I was during my visit to the Hiroshima Peace museum while in the USN. The place was all about how Japan suffered during the war. Not one word about Nanking or Bataan/Corregidor or Korean women or Unit 731 or the eating of POW's or Pearl Harbor or anything. I literally had to leave before I hurt somebody.


Show me one national myth that is not full of lies. Even your national myth is dishonest.

The only country I am aware of that has unequivacally accepted a crime is Germany with the holocaust, they don't give any excuses for their actions. When all nations accept their crimes like Germany does people will be able to criticize Japan but until then, criticism is just hypocrisy.

You  could start with the plains Indians.

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RE: Japan revises history books - 11/3/2007 7:13:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
DomKen:
The second cite does not open for me for some reason.
While the first site did open I could find nothing on the page that was not related to the A bomb.  To what specifically were you referring?
Japan's culpability in WW II is hardly at question.  The causes of the war between Japan and her neighbors requires a thorough understanding of East Asian history something few westerners have any knowledge of.  I have offered the titles of several interesting books giving an overview of the situation should you choose to avail yourself of them.
I am not an apologist for Japan or her policies I was simply pointing out that "Peace Park" in Hiroshima is a museum dedicated to the A bomb and its ramifications.  It is dedicated neither to being the "mea culpa" of Japan for her history or the ovation to America for the "bringing of enlightenment" to the "heathen yellow hoard"
thompson


The first link is in a frame, my bad. Here's a direct link:
http://www.pcf.city.hiroshima.jp/virtual/VirtualMuseum_e/exhibit_e/exh0503_e/exhi_top_e.html
Which has absolutely nothing to do with Hiroshima but is all to do with Japan as atomic victim.

Here is a pertinent paragraph from the other article:
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This fast changing international and domestic climate soon affected museum depictions of the war. Several cities and prefectures, including Osaka, Kawasaki, Saitama, and Kanagawa opened peace museums in the early 1990s that both critically depicted Japan’s role in the Asia-Pacific War and also preserved local Japanese memories of their own war losses, while Hiroshima Peace Memorial Museum and Nagasaki Prefectural Peace Museum incorporated new material critical of Japan’s war. In 1996, Japanese conservative nationalist groups, alarmed by these changes, went on a counter-offensive. These groups, such as the Liberal View of History Study Group (Jiyushugi shikan kenkyukai), led by Fujioka Nobukatsu, had earlier attacked middle-school textbooks as “self-flagellating” and sought not only to end Japanese criticism of Japan’s wars in the 1930s and 1940s but also to change public opinion in favor of future rearmament. They attacked the Nagasaki museum curators’ plan to “include in their exhibit” photographs of “the Nanjing Massacre, Unit 731 and their experiments with biological weapons, and the comfort women.” In response, the Nagasaki museum removed some of the new exhibit.

Which does indicate that only in the 90's, after my visit , did the Hiroshima Peace Museum incorporate anything critical of Japan.

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