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meatcleaver -> RE: San Francisco is turning into a joke (10/21/2007 11:39:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle And, of course, we're talking about the POOR junkies. The wealthy junkies can just have their doctor write an opiate-analog prescription ( sometimes in someone else's name -- you know, for Privacy... ) , and then they can indulge their addiction at the expense of their health-insurance company. True. The poor deserve what they get, the rich as always, deserve better.

LadyEllen -> RE: San Francisco is turning into a joke (10/21/2007 11:43:20 AM)
My view is, there is little prospect of anyone "getting clean" on long term basis, unless the social, emotional or economic issues which drove them to self medication in the first place, are resolved. Yes, some who become addicted became so by messing around perhaps, but the vast majority I suspect - and most definitely all those whom I have met, became addicted because of poor life circumstances, a history of abusive relationships, psychological neuroses or combinations of those elements, for which the use of their chosen substance provided relief by way of changing their perceptions. It is not a case of lack of or breach of morality which drives people to abuse substances - unless we are to hold that being poor, getting abused and having psychological issues is proof of immorality. And to be honest, I had rather hoped that we had escaped that sort of Judeo-Christian philosophy. E

FangsNfeet -> RE: San Francisco is turning into a joke (10/21/2007 3:18:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver Stablizing an addict is in society's interest as well as the addicts. Addicts don't go away by telling them to fuck off, they steal and prostitute themselves, spreading potentially harmful deseases that know no boundaries. . They are still out of my life where they decided to be. I've offered a place to stay, work, food, and help with rehab provided they gave up there drug using habbit. They chose to live on Crack Whore Ave. quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver I don't think providing clean needles, quality drugs and somewhere to administer the drugs because I believe in being kind to addicts, it is because I believe in the benefit to society as a whole, you, me, the addict and everyone else. I didn't know that Heroin, Crack, Cocaine, Meth, PCP, and other Class I substances where quality drugs. After an addict gets there fix, how long are they required to stay before being allowed back with the public. Surely they can't be allowed to just leave as they please. Most of these drugs cause hallucinations, paranoia, and violent mood swings. Not every fix means "Ok, I feel fine now. Thanks for everything." Think how dangerous the roads and traffic will become. Think of all the security issuses this facility would face. Most of these addicts will continue to demand more and harrass all the staff. You can't allow someone like that to keep comming back. Once they're kicked out for good, it's back to square one for them. Not to mention, who wants there business, fancy hotel, condo, apartment, or home next to one of these dope giving facilities? Seeing addicts lotterying around and doped up can't be good for business nor property value. On a last note, the choice to feed someone there addiction means that we have given up on rehabilitating the person. Giving in means that we give up on hope. All we have to look forward to is seeing these addicts doped up for the rest of there lives. The person that we once knew will never have the chance to be the same ever again. So where is the real bennifit for you, me, society, the addict, and everyone else?

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