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KaylinSilverfurr -> RE: japanese rope bondage (1/20/2008 4:06:23 PM)

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Nylon is quite possibly the worst rope to use for body bondage because of it's low burn speed and stretch. It's good for using as suspension ropes that are not in direct contact with the body. Hemp or hemp-jute blends are the best for Shibari, aside from cotton rope, and when processed carefully and correctly, can be just, if not more soft than rope made with silk fiber.

~Kaylin



realtuffdom -> RE: japanese rope bondage (1/20/2008 4:06:42 PM)

I'd do Japanese rope bondage more often, but there's rarely any Japanese women around to tie up.



ImpGrrl -> RE: japanese rope bondage (1/20/2008 6:03:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Petronius
2) Japanese bondage comes with built-in "wiggle room" for the person tied.


Not some of the Japanese ties I've done/felt/seen...



ImpGrrl -> RE: japanese rope bondage (1/20/2008 6:11:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

Hemp rope is Rough


Not if it's treated properly, it isn't.  In fact, it gets softer with use.

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 and with the invention of Nylon most everyone stopped using it


Not *nearly* accurate.  Talk to a community of rope artists - you'll find that most of the Japanese-inspired riggers use hemp, jute, or MFP (which is poly, but not nylon).

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 I have seen presentations where Shibari Masters use Nylon


Nylon has qualities that many riggers specifically *avoid*. 

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As far as Shibari having built in wiggle room, most Shibari is done without knots and uses mostly hitches and couonter ties meaning that as you wiggle it gets tighter it is a fear when using shibari in suspension bondage because it could tighten up and cause suffication.


The part about "without knots" is true.  It's also true that there are very specific applications of Japanese-inspired rope (namely Hojo Jitsu) which tighten upon struggle, *on purpose*.  But, unless it's those types of ties, tightening bondage, especially in Japanese-inspired ("Shibari") bondage, means you're doing it wrong.

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Japanesse rope bondage (Shibari for those not keeping up)


"Shibari" is actually a term of Western origin, seldom heard in Japan's rope communities.  "Kinbaku" or "Kinbaku-bi" is a Japanese term for the erotic bondage that we have co-opted as "Shibari".




AMaster -> RE: japanese rope bondage (1/20/2008 6:17:55 PM)

I love intricate rope bondage.  The only time I leave "wiggle room" is when I am dealing with someone new to BDSM.  I have used cotton rope, but it is too absorbent, and it stretches.  I have used hemp- good stuff.  Mostly I use nylon now.  I don't care what kind of rope the Japanese use, it the the beauty of the finished product that interests me.   I have *Yards*  of rope.
[:D]



Guilty1974 -> RE: japanese rope bondage (1/21/2008 9:54:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KaylinSilverfurr
Nylon is quite possibly the worst rope to use for body bondage because of it's low burn speed and stretch. It's good for using as suspension ropes that are not in direct contact with the body. Hemp or hemp-jute blends are the best for Shibari, aside from cotton rope, and when processed carefully and correctly, can be just, if not more soft than rope made with silk fiber.


Cotton isn't  really suitable for shibari. It stretches way to much, and the breaking strength isn't nearly enough for anything advanced.



Guilty1974 -> RE: japanese rope bondage (1/21/2008 10:13:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AMaster

I don't care what kind of rope the Japanese use, it the the beauty of the finished product that interests me.


You're absolutely right that it doesn't really matter what kind of rope the Japanese use. What matters is that many of us try to tie in the Japanese style. Shibari as practiced in Japan, is as much performance art as it is SM. The ties are often dangerous, the techniques are often derived from show performances. Such ties need to be tied fast, so they use a limited number of wraps, ropes and knots, even for dangerous suspensions. These techniques therefore rely on ropes that are strong, non-stretchy, and have a lot of friction. That means that cotton (too weak) and most sythetics (not enough friction) are not suitable for tying with these techniques.

Of course, you don't need to tie in the Japanese style. If you rely less on friction and use a lot of knots, synthetic ropes are just fine. If you don't do (partial) suspensions, strength is less important, so you might use cotton. Personally, I love the Japanese style for its simplicity and economy, the quickness, the fact that most ties really work, and the beauty of the ropes. But that's a personal taste.



HardnRuff -> RE: japanese rope bondage (1/21/2008 10:26:00 AM)

 
Hemp rope is a traditional rope used in bondage.  It is stiff and ruff when new.  It is scratchy with an uncomfortable feel and is also harder to untie.  It will become softer after being washed several times. This rope also tightens when wet and is not good for suspension because it will rot.
Nylon is a good rope to use for bondage.  It is strong, waterproof, unties easily and is generally comfortable. The ends unravel very easy if not heat sealed with a flame.  Braided nylon is smoother and causes less irritation to the skin than the twisted strand rope.
Cotton rope, although soft, is not considered a good rope for bondage. The center core in most cotton ropes is not solid or strong and it is subject to retain moisture which means retaining germs.  Knots are hard to untie in cotton rope and it does not wear well.
Parachute rope is cheap, strong and offered in many colors.  I have never used it and have no personal opinion about it's use.  However, I have been told that it is not suitable.
Climbing rope is expensive and too thick for practical uses accept for the support of a suspension device.
 



mnottertail -> RE: japanese rope bondage (1/21/2008 10:26:52 AM)

Well, Japanese Bondage with rope covers alot of ground.

Hojojutsu: restraint of prisoners or enemies via rope.
ja....that art wouldn't give the glimmer of a fuck if you strangled yourself in the ties.

Shibari: is the packaging of people in rope for erotic and aesthetic ends.

So.......perhaps a bridge to far, perhaps not.



Guilty1974 -> RE: japanese rope bondage (1/21/2008 10:35:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: HardnRuff
Climbing rope is expensive and too thick for practical uses accept for the support of a suspension device.
 
6mm static climbing rope isn't any thicker than 6mm hemp. I've used it extensively before I started with hemp and jute, so I definately disagree with you.



HardnRuff -> RE: japanese rope bondage (1/21/2008 10:39:25 AM)

In hojojutsu the color of the ropes have a meaning as I recall .  The prisoner was restrained facing the direction appropriate to the color and season.. You  had  Blue , red , white and black .
  1. Blue: spring-east 
  2. Red: summer-south 
  3. White: autumn-west
  4. Black: winter-north 

During the dog days of late July and early August, a yellow rope was used. Hemp was the main rope used but they practiced on Dummies with silk . One of the rules for hojo was never to let anyone see how it was done , therefore preventing the prisoners  from learning the techniques of it and how to escape it ... I have always loved this art .. I love ritualistic things . Great article, Thanks for posting this



Esinem -> RE: japanese rope bondage (3/31/2008 10:46:58 AM)

Use what you like but the Japanese seem to have got it right. 6mm 3-ply jute works for me. Sometimes thinner is prettier for floor work but only for more experienced riggers.



Lynnxz -> RE: japanese rope bondage (3/31/2008 11:04:53 AM)

I had never used hemp rope before, because I thought it was itchy as crap... someone bought me some rope from home depot... yuck. So I was using some Nylon stuff specifically made for bondage. The only problem I had with it, was how easily it "burns" if it is pulled through incorrectly (I work with a lot of beginners ^_^  ) And how any knots tend to slip and either undo, or tighten too much.

Then, I went to a little shibari/bondage class, where the instructor showed us HIS hemp rope. I like it a lot better, it's soft, because it's boiled and oil treated once per year. There's little to no rope burn, and the hemp bites into itself, making the knots stick. Pretty cool class. He also does not encourage "By the books" stuff, where you must do everything exactly as everyone else, but he encouraged creativity while tying. My vanilla friend that I dragged along (didn't want to go by myself!) actually did an amazing breast harness on me for his first tie.. ever... now he's addicted, and has ordered 200 feet of hemp rope, some rings, and a singletail... haha >.>

As a side note... someone approched me with some paracute type rope to tie me... hell no.. It's all tiny and thin... screw that, that stuff looks like it would cut off circulation and dig into skin very easily.



Kinbakudayo -> RE: japanese rope bondage (3/31/2008 11:19:45 AM)

In all do honesty I stay away from the US\Europe makers of rope even for SM purposes.   There are a few places that do sell japanese rope that work a lot better.  Just better spun and holds better for me.



angelbluewingsz -> RE: japanese rope bondage (3/31/2008 11:21:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DaggerDom

I just like to think back to the good old days when we did not need to speak Japanese in order to be able to tie someone up.


Pig Latin anyone?



Guilty1974 -> RE: japanese rope bondage (3/31/2008 3:23:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DaggerDom

I just like to think back to the good old days when we did not need to speak Japanese in order to be able to tie someone up.


You don't.



dryon29 -> RE: japanese rope bondage (3/31/2008 4:01:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AMaster

I don't care what kind of rope the Japanese use, it the the beauty of the finished product that interests me.   I have *Yards*  of rope.
[:D]


Personally i am of this opinion. Does it really matter if you only use one type of rope over another? All rope has its own individual pro's and cons just like everything else in this life you have to find what works best for you, your partner, and the particular situation not to mention your own level of skill. If i truely feel the need to use every different kind of rope i can get my hands on for a session i will. Now the only pro i have heard for cotton is its softness and one of the cons i have heard is its absorbincy i would like to point out that this can allso be a pro in its favor. For example im sure everyone knows the knots placed to stimulate the clit but has noone else thought of useing a monkey's fist of cotton soaked in a "proper" lube and inserted to be used along with this method? Granted it wont have as long of a use life as other ropes used in other ways but really people would it hurt you to buy new rope now and then compaired to how fun the use of such "short lived" rope can be for both partys?



SNoB -> RE: japanese rope bondage (3/31/2008 4:55:59 PM)

Why are we digging up 2 month old topics?



dryon29 -> RE: japanese rope bondage (3/31/2008 5:06:58 PM)

think anyone can post anything they wish anytime they wish snob should i see what the oldest thread i can find is and bring it back to life? would that make you feel a lil better about this one?



SNoB -> RE: japanese rope bondage (3/31/2008 5:13:59 PM)

Please do

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ORIGINAL: dryon29

think anyone can post anything they wish anytime they wish snob should i see what the oldest thread i can find is and bring it back to life? would that make you feel a lil better about this one?



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