OrionTheWolf
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Orian The Wolf:
Last I saw, no one could be refused medical care at an ER if it is life threatening.
This is a bit of a misnomer.
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True,you won`t be refused emergency care,at an ER, or any other place.That`s not the point.
It`s more than that,really.Who among us would walk by and do nothing, if we saw someone bleeding out or in dire trouble.Most would at least dial 911.
With the lawsuit happy people in this world, calling 911 is about the extent of what many people will do.
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If we had a system that refused medical care to those deemed not worthy(the neo-con`s wet dream,btw),we would have Calcutta,India.Or any other 3rd world country,with people laying in the streets and alleys,wasting away and dying,un-cared for.
Who exactly are you refering to when you say neo-cons? If you mean the segment of the republican party that is led by Bush and that group, I call them non-Cons, and I agree they have screwed alot up.
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I know,I know.Who going to pay for this?The answer is, we are.If you want anything less than what we have now,move to Calcutta.
Who is "we"? Why do you use extremist points, such as "If you want anything less than what we have now,move to Calcutta ". You present this thing as if there is only one solution, and anything else is inhuman. Why do you present it that way?
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The point is health care.Health care for children."Little Timmy`s" ear infection should be checked and treated,before it causes a possible life-long loss of hearing.Little Mary`s soar throat should be treated,before it infects dozens of other kids and adults.This also screens kids,who have deadly diseases,and keeps them from spreading them to healthy kids/adults.
I agree with this, but do you have statistics of what percentage of citizens under the age of 18 are not covered? Also, I have seen people use the ER for such thing as what you mention above, it is part of the problem. have you seen the low cost clinics springing up? What are your thoughts on them?
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You can`t do that w/ an ER.It`s not right for the folks who work in ERs,or the general public,when emergency care is needed.
But it is occuring and one of the things that contributes to higher medical costs, and higher insurance.
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We at the very least,should have every kid in America seen by a doctor,once a year,and treated for any problems,period.
Very cheap physicals can be done here, at the county health dept.
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I believe it would save more money in the end,by prevention and intervention.I wonder, if the neo-cons/republicans could be convinced that money could be saved by having kids covered,would they say no,just out of principal.
I heard them claim to be "principled",what ever the fuck that means.
Agreed that it will save more money with prevention and intervention. Not all republicans disagree with these ideas. This is where I feel that you contribute to the problem, by lumping all republicans into one area. There are factions within any large political group.
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So will the children of illegal immigrants be covered under this?
I can best answer that,with what "Rudy" did,when he was Mayor of NYC.
As most know,he was elected as a republican and as a "cleaner upper".He did well as republican in a liberal town,and got elected twice.There was pretty much nothing,that he couldn`t have.What he said ,was done.If you were a political enemy or critic,he destroyed you.If he didn`t want something,and had control over it,it didn`t happen.
During his time in office,the illegal immigration issue was front and center.The town was/is full of them,and some say,wouldn`t function without them.
Rudy was painted into a corner by his fellow republicans( locally and nationally) ,about health care for the kids of illegals.
They figured that now was the time to refuse care ,because after all,they were in charge and could finally "do something "about illegal aliens.
It took a while to get Rudy to finally state a policy,and it was to give the care to the kids.To give the care without asking about residence or status.To treat sicknesses and screen kids against other diseases.To give care, without calling the INS.
Why? Well,there`s always that it`s the right,moral,"christian"thing to do.
But more than that,it makes for good health policy,to keep kids healthy.If for no other reason then to stop the preventable deaths of children.And to contain pandemics or epidemics.
No one wants that,not even republicans.
Good health policy is great, I am all for it. I am not for adding more social services that illegal immigrants will use, without contributing to, and that will just attract more of the same.
There are many ways to work towards correcting the issues with health care. Reducing medical expenses, and regulation of the insurance industry is part of it, but we cannot ignore everything else that effects it. once some of those problems are addressed, we can then have a cleaner picture of who is not covered, and then address it.
Orion
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