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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

Ol thompson, now I remeber why you so seldom give evidence for your claims.  that page is a hoot.   I love the part'
"Queen Elizabeth controls and has amended U.S. Social Security
Queen Elizabeth controls and has amended U.S. Social Security THE ULTIMATE DELUSION Subject: THE ULTIMATE DELUSION Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:40:27 EDT From: To the people, I found
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/queen.htm  "
 
 
People who take that sort of page seriously do need to be chipped and monitored.

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ORIGINAL: joanus

The blind Stupidity on this thread makes my eyes want to bleed. Some of you crazy rednecks need to be tracked so you'll stay out of trouble. As for this being the fault of any one group in the Middle East, all I have to say is that while in Iraq the only terrorists I saw where wearing US uniforms. I seriously doubt mass Genoside and "freedom" are the same thing. Now for the rest of you paranoid people I suggest cutting back on the weed.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
Joanus, "tracked?"
By who? We only inspect 2 % of the goods that come into this country!
The govt. "thinks" that there's "only" 12 million illegals in this country when we are hearing figures of 20-30 million.
We only have 2,300 ICE Agents for the *whole fucking country!*
How's the govt. going to "track" anyone if they don't have the manpower, "boots on the ground" as it were?
The government is not watching "us", we're watching "them!"
And we don't like what we're seeing.

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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611
Why is it such a difficult concept to understand that the people that come here without permission or overstay their visa is committing a crime? It is illegal!
You cant just hop across any border you damn well please and then march in the streets to demand rights. You do that in any nation on this planet and you will be tossed out on your ass. We live in a world of borders and boundries. That's how different cultures get along. You have your property and I have my property. I have a right to defend my property and if you come onto my property without permision....wave your flag....and demand rights to stay in my property....you will be met with a gun in your face.
If I was president, I'd send police to each of these immigrant rallies and if they can't prove they are here legally....throw them in a truck and ship them back to Mexico. If they come back, send them to prison. It's that simple. And any employer that knowingly hires an illegal alien will also be thrown in prison and the company will be fined severely. That's the only way this problem will be brought under control.

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ORIGINAL: EPGAH
This ID thing SOUNDS like a good idea, but just how will you catch the illegals to ID them? Hell, we're throwing our OWN officers in jail for shooting the invaders! (Google it, there are at least 2 SEPARATE instances) With the limits placed on our ICE/Border Patrol Agents, they couldn't catch a Pokemon!
Good News&Bad News:
The GOOD news is, we already DO deport these scum...In Missouri here, one such criminal was deported his thirteenth time last month! That is CLEARLY a person who believes America's laws--are for Americans to follow, not them! That said, I bet things would start hopping if the CEOs of the companies were deported and put in a MEXICAN jail, along with the scum they hired (Although they might get all too..."popular" in Mexico..and bring back AIDS!)
Perhaps you might enlighten us all as to how the constitution provides for the deportation of a native born American citizen?
Are you suggesting that AIDS does not not exist in the U.S.?


The BAD news is, they keep coming back, since we don't actually DO anything to them...Castration would be a quick, cheap, PERMANENT end to the problem!
(It's not the illegals you have, it's the ones they breed, and train to hate the country they're leeching off of!)

PS: The WORSE news is that New York wants to let illegals have drivers' licenses! Now they can cause road fatalities and injuries LEGALLY!
Is it only in Missouri or do other states allow you to cause road fatalities legally by the simple expedient of having a drivers license?


(More people killed&mailed by illegals than all of the Iraq War!)
Where have they mailed these people that they have killed?

 


While this is a stupid idea just on the surface, it's actually more frightening in its consequences: Any state's driver's license can supposedly be traded for any other state...So these illegal scum can then go to some state that allows voting based on driver's license, and vote a big thank-you to the candidates who let this travesty happen! Patronage politics, just like back in Mexico!
I have asked you this before and you never seem to get around to answering the question.  How do you tell if someone is a legal citizen.  If a policeman were to demand that you prove your national identity how would you accomplish that?

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: EPGAH
This ID thing SOUNDS like a good idea, but just how will you catch the illegals to ID them? Hell, we're throwing our OWN officers in jail for shooting the invaders! (Google it, there are at least 2 SEPARATE instances) With the limits placed on our ICE/Border Patrol Agents, they couldn't catch a Pokemon!
Good News&Bad News:
The GOOD news is, we already DO deport these scum...In Missouri here, one such criminal was deported his thirteenth time last month! That is CLEARLY a person who believes America's laws--are for Americans to follow, not them! That said, I bet things would start hopping if the CEOs of the companies were deported and put in a MEXICAN jail, along with the scum they hired (Although they might get all too..."popular" in Mexico..and bring back AIDS!)
Perhaps you might enlighten us all as to how the constitution provides for the deportation of a native born American citizen?
Are you suggesting that AIDS does not not exist in the U.S.?
From my reading of the Constitution, it says basically, that citizenship is a PRIVILEGE, not a right, and if it is a privilege, then it can be stripped for an exceptionally egregious infraction from some ultra-disobedient entity...An Amendment later made it a birthright, but it was MEANT to enfranchise slaves' children, so that they would not be born slaves to free parents, etc. The illegals have more or less hijacked the civil rights crusade, and perverted it to give "rights" to invaders.
AIDS DOES exist in the US, because we have little to no quarantine procedures anymore (Ellis Island is now a national museum of "shame", rather than an intake filter!) But Mexico has brought us plenty of other diseases that were "wiped out" in the First World: Tuberculosis, Dengue Fever, Syphillis, and overpopulation!

The BAD news is, they keep coming back, since we don't actually DO anything to them...Castration would be a quick, cheap, PERMANENT end to the problem!
(It's not the illegals you have, it's the ones they breed, and train to hate the country they're leeching off of!)
PS: The WORSE news is that New York wants to let illegals have drivers' licenses! Now they can cause road fatalities and injuries LEGALLY!
Is it only in Missouri or do other states allow you to cause road fatalities legally by the simple expedient of having a drivers license?
Illegals who drive cause fatalities...The most famous, of course, being the director of "A Christmas Story"...no more offbeat Christmas parodies!
Americans also can cause fatalities, but we are granted a small card that says we have the privilege to drive...and that privilege can be stripped with frequent enough infractions (Called "points" on your driving record--as in golf, lower score is better!) Of course, if you're a visiting diplomat or a minority, the penalties are reduced or eliminated...Google "Halle Berry Car Accident"...The Diplomatic Immunity BS and its abuses have been well-documented enough already!

(More people killed&mailed by illegals than all of the Iraq War!)
Where have they mailed these people that they have killed?
I meant maimed, not mailed, that is a typo.

While this is a stupid idea just on the surface, it's actually more frightening in its consequences: Any state's driver's license can supposedly be traded for any other state...So these illegal scum can then go to some state that allows voting based on driver's license, and vote a big thank-you to the candidates who let this travesty happen! Patronage politics, just like back in Mexico!
I have asked you this before and you never seem to get around to answering the question.  How do you tell if someone is a legal citizen.  If a policeman were to demand that you prove your national identity how would you accomplish that?
Sadly, as yet, there is a way, but it was made and abandoned in 1981...an ancient National ID database...Which tracks if you were born in America, and if you're cleared to work IN America (The two are entirely different). It was never used, and an effort to restart and actually USE it is being fought by Illinois...
Sadly, said project was mothballed, and now they want to start a NEW database, based on biometrics and/or RFID. My confidence in THEIR IMPLEMENTATION of the new stuff is shaken to the core by a single bug that somehow invalidated the "virtual fence" they wanted to virutally erect on the border. Of course, if those in charge of the border security were paid in "virtual money" until the flow of illegals stopped, it is my guess they'd use mines, and poison gas pipes to "deter" people from tunneling under.
As to myself, all I can offer is a complete geneology of myself dating back to the 1830...At that point, records get so shoddy, you'd think there was a Civil War going on or something!
Sadly, there's few ways to tell if someone IS a citizen, and no ways that can't be imitated.
However, there are lots of ways to tell if someone IS NOT: Language, skin-color, adherence to the laws...Basically, if it doesn't LOOK like you, doesn't SOUND like you, and doesn't ACT like you, it must NOT be one of you! (A ripoff of some old saying about a duck)
Forgery of ID paperwork IS a felony...and forged is all you have, you must be an invader! If you have a Social Security number that belongs to another person, living or dead, THAT is identity-theft, which is another felony (But only because it costs the banks so much). If you have an ID card that looks NOTHING like you, it's probably stolen. My MILITARY ID card, for instance, says I'm a Caucasian male, 5'8, 184 pounds, blond, brown eyes. If it was presented to the Base guards by a 300-pound black male, even the dumbest guard there would realize it wasn't me, and would sound the alarm (Literally or figuratively), and the theif would face EXTRA penalties because it's a military ID...
But again, while there're PLENTY of ways to prove someone is NOT a citizen, there's no conclusive way to show someone IS a citizen. Come to think of it, even France's mighty database of citizens, known criminals, and other persona non grata, could be fooled, given enough resources, time, and desire...It's all about being "secure ENOUGH"...A poor thug trying to steal my identity would fail miserably from not learning English. A well-funded Syndicate could imitate me well enough to take out a few loans in my name, maybe buy a house or some other big-ticket item, ruin my credit-score...and the worst part is, it wouldn't be personal, it'd just be their path to easy riches, rather than invade a country that doesn't want their kind, they just steal info about a legitimate citizen and ruin that person's life for financial gain!

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ORIGINAL: Rushemery

I like the idea that people who work on docks should have IDs, I think it is fine that the govt have our DNA in a lil box somewhere, maybe it would have helped catch the Bike Path Rapest in Buffalo 20 years ago and just maybe it would catch the new ones. I really dont give a shit about the people we are at war with, they blow up our children to get at us, they blow up each other in the name of religion and we cant tell them apart ,  those countrys harboring terrorists who want to come blow us up because of their religous beliefs well why dont we just kill em all and let god sort em out! thats what we did to us,
If your doing something you dont want anyone to know about, then you shouldnt be doing it.
Mexicans, well everyone wants to come here and make a better life for themselves, if that takes ID so be it, I dont want to pick grapes if someone wants to I am sure there is an open position, that is the jobs around here they take, jobs americans are to proud to take, I dont agree with illeagals but they do what we wont, I dont want to support them so send the ones who dont work back and give the rest IDs  

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ORIGINAL: Rushemery

none of my children, but they blow up each others and they would ours as well, , my father beat lung cancer with alturnitive meicine and by going for theatment from a Dr nameed Dr Barns in Hamburg NY and his insurence refused to pay because it wasnt a normal treatment, they dont want to cure cancer otherwise they would have there isnt any profit in it,  Im shallow lol thats a joke I just dont agree and I also dont hide who I am, I dont see anything wrong with people who do, honestly anyone who really wants can follow you on the net find out all they want about you, its fairly simple, I think its wrong to put someting down that does a lil more good than bad, you didnt mention the rapests it would put in jail, didnt want to open that can of worms, they already know what your doing and I bet these forums are monitered as well as many others are, hay, i bet they have a camra on you right now see that speck on the wall or I know they can see you threw your cam and tape it lol

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ORIGINAL: EPGAH

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: EPGAH
From my reading of the Constitution, it says basically, that citizenship is a PRIVILEGE, not a right, and if it is a privilege, then it can be stripped for an exceptionally egregious infraction from some ultra-disobedient entity
Perhaps you might tell us just which part of the constitution says this.

...An Amendment later made it a birthright, but it was MEANT to enfranchise slaves' children, so that they would not be born slaves to free parents, etc. The illegals have more or less hijacked the civil rights crusade, and perverted it to give "rights" to invaders.
AIDS DOES exist in the US, because we have little to no quarantine procedures
It would appear that you are saying all AIDS in the U.S. is the result of foreigners bringing it in as opposed to being spread by what doctors call vectors.

anymore (Ellis Island is now a national museum of "shame", rather than an intake filter!) But Mexico has brought us plenty of other diseases that were "wiped out" in the First World: Tuberculosis, Dengue Fever, Syphillis, and overpopulation!
When was Syphilis "wiped out" in the U.S.?

The BAD news is, they keep coming back, since we don't actually DO anything to them...Castration would be a quick, cheap, PERMANENT end to the problem!
(It's not the illegals you have, it's the ones they breed, and train to hate the country they're leeching off of!)
Would you also castrate all catholics like the Kennedy's who seem to breed with the same enthusiasm as the Mexicans you so despise?


PS: The WORSE news is that New York wants to let illegals have drivers' licenses! Now they can cause road fatalities and injuries LEGALLY!
Is it only in Missouri or do other states allow you to cause road fatalities legally by the simple expedient of having a drivers license?
Illegals who drive cause fatalities...The most famous, of course, being the director of "A Christmas Story"...no more offbeat Christmas parodies!
Americans also can cause fatalities, but we are granted a small card that says we have the privilege to drive...and that privilege can be stripped with frequent enough infractions (Called "points" on your driving record--as in golf, lower score is better!) Of course, if you're a visiting diplomat or a minority, the penalties are reduced or eliminated...Google "Halle Berry Car Accident"...The Diplomatic Immunity BS and its abuses have been well-documented enough already!
Your post states that a drivers license allows illegal aliens to cause road fatalities legally...your rambling diatribe neither explains your position nor clarifies it.



(More people killed&mailed by illegals than all of the Iraq War!)
Where have they mailed these people that they have killed?
I meant maimed, not mailed, that is a typo.
So it would appear that you do not actually read what you post.


While this is a stupid idea just on the surface, it's actually more frightening in its consequences: Any state's driver's license can supposedly be traded for any other state...So these illegal scum can then go to some state that allows voting based on driver's license, and vote a big thank-you to the candidates who let this travesty happen! Patronage politics, just like back in Mexico!
I have asked you this before and you never seem to get around to answering the question.  How do you tell if someone is a legal citizen.  If a policeman were to demand that you prove your national identity how would you accomplish that?
Sadly, as yet, there is a way, but it was made and abandoned in 1981...an ancient National ID database...Which tracks if you were born in America, and if you're cleared to work IN America (The two are entirely different). It was never used, and an effort to restart and actually USE it is being fought by Illinois...
Sadly, said project was mothballed, and now they want to start a NEW database, based on biometrics and/or RFD. My confidence in THEIR IMPLEMENTATION of the new stuff is shaken to the core by a single bug that somehow invalidated the "virtual fence" they wanted to virutally erect on the border. Of course, if those in charge of the border security were paid in "virtual money" until the flow of illegals stopped, it is my guess they'd use mines, and poison gas pipes to "deter" people from tunneling under.
As to myself, all I can offer is a complete geneology of myself dating back to the 1830...At that point, records get so shoddy, you'd think there was a Civil War going on or something!
A quick check of the history books and no mention of a civil war in 1830.  Although there was one in the 1860's.



Sadly, there's few ways to tell if someone IS a citizen, and no ways that can't be imitated.
However, there are lots of ways to tell if someone IS NOT: Language, skin-color, adherence to the laws...Basically, if it doesn't LOOK like you, doesn't SOUND like you, and doesn't ACT like you, it must NOT be one of you! (A ripoff of some old saying about a duck)
So your position is that if you are not white and don't speak english and break the law you cannot be a citizen...did your momma drop you on your head when you were little?


Forgery of ID paperwork IS a felony
No it is not...it is only a crime if it is done for fraudulent purposes.

...and forged is all you have, you must be an invader! If you have a Social Security number that belongs to another person, living or dead, THAT is identity-theft, which is another felony (But only because it costs the banks so much). If you have an ID card that looks NOTHING like you, it's probably stolen.
I have lots of ID that no longer looks like me but it is real and not stolen...not the least of which is my current drivers license...(it pictures me as a rather handsome fellow)

My MILITARY ID card, for instance, says I'm a Caucasian male, 5'8, 184 pounds, blond, brown eyes. If it was presented to the Base guards by a 300-pound black male, even the dumbest guard there would realize it wasn't me, and would sound the alarm (Literally or figuratively), and the theif would face EXTRA penalties because it's a military ID...
But again, while there're PLENTY of ways to prove someone is NOT a citizen,
Perhaps you might tell us what these "plenty of ways" are since your previous statements about color,criminality and language have failed the test of validity.
 
 
 
 there's no conclusive way to show someone IS a citizen.
If there is no conclusive way to show that someone is a citizen how can there be a conclusive way to show that someone is not a citizen?
 
Come to think of it, even France's mighty database of citizens, known criminals, and other persona non grata, could be fooled, given enough resources, time, and desire...It's all about being "secure ENOUGH"...A poor thug trying to steal my identity would fail miserably from not learning English. A well-funded Syndicate could imitate me well enough to take out a few loans in my name, maybe buy a house or some other big-ticket item, ruin my credit-score...and the worst part is, it wouldn't be personal, it'd just be their path to easy riches, rather than invade a country that doesn't want their kind, they just steal info about a legitimate citizen and ruin that person's life for financial gain!

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

Thompson, because the Enumeration at Birth law they talk about on the page.  You get a number, even if you do not accept it at that time.
Once again your ability to read without comprehension is made abundantly clear...that is not what it says on the page I posted.  If you have trouble comprehending what you read why do you not seek some help from someone who can.

Hey I quoted you stuff from the page you posted, why you disavow it is not hard to understand.
No you quoted from a different page of the website.  Because it is inconvenient for you to deal with what I actually say you seek to introduce spurious topics, which I did not post, to disagree with.  While it does improve your post count it does little to to substantiate your position or validate your opinion.
thompson

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

From ThompsonXs own linked page (http://www.apfn.org/apfn/ssn.htm), not the QE one...

"...Many hospitals automatically generate social security number application forms (Form SS-5) for newborns before they leave the hospital. This is done under the "enumeration at birth" program instituted under the GATT legislation."

"...If a child is issued an SSN card via the EAB program (the online Numident shows "FMC:6" for Enumeration at Birth items) and the mother states she answered "no" to the enumeration question when providing birth information for the newborn, assume that either the hospital made an error or the State inadvertently keyed "yes". Explain that the child will need an SSN eventually if he/she will be listed as a dependent on an income tax return."


Reading comprehension...riiiiight.

That's fantastic.

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

That's fantastic. Just like all your BS claims.