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motivating workers? how? - 10/5/2007 9:40:23 AM   
pahunkboy


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Status: offline 		my worker here is very slow. i am afraid i will have to cut the project short- as he needs to speed up and it is costing me more then anticipated for what i am getting. call me mr money bags. no dont call me.  tell me how make him speed it up. he is installing replacement windows. 2 holes are done.  15 hours of work
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RE: motivating workers? how? - 10/5/2007 9:42:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Pay by the job....not by the hour.

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RE: motivating workers? how? - 10/5/2007 9:48:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		from what i can see- the labor will run about $75 each window.  i might have him stop after 4.  or tell his sat and sun to take off. [he could be over tired.]

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RE: motivating workers? how? - 10/5/2007 10:51:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is definately the way to go. Calculate up what the labor cost would be for an average worker to do it. Offer that money and tell them what the average time should be. Tell them if they work harder and faster they still get the same amount of money. This now puts a direct incentive on your worker, to make you more money by making themselves more money.

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RE: motivating workers? how? - 10/5/2007 12:59:42 PM   
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RE: motivating workers? how? - 10/5/2007 1:08:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I only pay by the job and always purchase my own materials so they do not add a % to the cost.  Then pay ONLY when the job is finished with an expected finish date in advance.
 
Or find a cute little sub that can be the handiman only I never want to turn one loose for any repairs.
 
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RE: motivating workers? how? - 10/5/2007 1:14:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		The best way to do this pa was to buy from a window company that installs free,I always payed a nice fat Christmas bonus and after each house was finished a bonus this made them rarin' to get started on another one..bounty

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RE: motivating workers? how? - 10/5/2007 1:38:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		interesting comments i cant tell if he is out of it- or just plain slow. anyhow- i told him im getting company- to take sat sun off. real estate isnt hot here- the one window place has a bunch of miscellaneous charges- $350 each. i have 28 windows here. yikes. my nieghboir speent 15k doing hers.

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RE: motivating workers? how? - 10/7/2007 1:47:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		ok- my best friend doesnt want to hear me on this, he sounds like he is close to pulling my worker. [his nephew who is in his custody]

the idea on an estimate he wont go along with. he implies- that i am a tightwad. and i need to spend on this. i explain  that i wont get my money back out of the home- that the parts and labor  add up. for now i will have the 4 windows finsihed. then decide what to do. how people actually flip houses is mindboggling

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RE: motivating workers? how? - 10/7/2007 2:42:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		So you have a lazy American employee, who has an agent negotiating high wages for him, implying you are a tightwad.  You are concerned about getting money back from your investment, and it is basically costing you money to employ this guy.....replace the windows yourself, that is how they flip houses generally, or hire an illegal immigrant.

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RE: motivating workers? how? - 10/7/2007 3:30:41 PM   
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RE: motivating workers? how? - 10/7/2007 9:21:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: realisticwish

I only pay by the job and always purchase my own materials so they do not add a % to the cost.  Then pay ONLY when the job is finished with an expected finish date in advance.
 
Or find a cute little sub that can be the handiman only I never want to turn one loose for any repairs.
 
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realisticwitch:
Once upon a time I used to work for a living.  This real estate hustler wanted me to hang some interior siding (tongue & grove 1x4 spruce) ask me for a price by the square foot.  I gave him a price for the labor and a price for the wood.  When I showed up for the job he pointed to a stack of lumber he had purchased.  He told me he found a better price on the lumber than I had quoted him.  After looking through it for about twenty minutes I could not find one straight piece of wood.  So I told him he could take his firewood and hang it himself because I would not.  He had found what he thought was a "good deal" on some wood at a lumber yard and thought to utilize my talent to make up for his greed. 
Many people who lack the skill to do a job become experts overnight and think they are being fucked by the tradesman who actually knows how to do the work.  In the real world a qualified tradesman will get a percentage up front (which includes all materials) and no less than 25% of the labor another 50% of the labor halfway through the job and the remainder on completion.
You should never hire someone without references and of course check out the references.  If he or she says they did this work for so and so go see so and so and ask to see the finished product.  If you like it then proceed with hiring the person to work for you.
thompson
 

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RE: motivating workers? how? - 10/7/2007 10:15:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		It took a crew of three about nine man hours to replace 14 windows in my house. Definately pay by the job not by the hour. If he can't do it, get a bid.


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RE: motivating workers? how? - 10/8/2007 5:01:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think we are going to stop at 4 windows. [there are 28, maybe 10 i have other ones]

It is bills in general that have me sorta down.  Then with this type of project, every board- screw-glue,cauk,foam, it all adds up.

The aluminm siding that was warped; is unfortuate.  I got many lumber, etc, in the bargain bin. The public can be hard to deal with.  Now it in 8am- i heard him here; got up- did not see him. he was to be here at 7.  anyhow- finances in general- seem STRETCHED; which is my problem not his.

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RE: motivating workers? how? - 10/8/2007 5:08:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Employ me at $30 per hour and I'll take a week or two. Give me $300 for the job and I'll do it in a day.

I don't know how windows are fitted in America but I had eight windows (six large) replaced in a day once. There were two workers though.

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RE: motivating workers? how? - 10/8/2007 5:10:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		So the installer is the nephew of your friend?

Sorry to say, tempting as it sounds, this is not a good way to go - getting family and friends to do jobs for you. If it turns out badly what are you going to do? Wreck a friendship over it or suffer in silence.

Best way unfortunately is to get someone you dont know closely - this puts the whole thing on a purely professional basis. And get at least three quotes on the work, for the completed job - though cheapest isnt always best.

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RE: motivating workers? how? - 10/8/2007 5:14:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		houses built 1960 and newer- the studs are x many inches- you pretty much know what you are hacking into. this house is 1900 or older. old houses can be a nightmare at windows.  there were no standards then. some of it is qulaity- but studs are not x inches-  so- it can be a challenge.


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RE: motivating workers? how? - 10/8/2007 6:12:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		pahunkboy,
 
Did you hire the guy I hired to remodel my kitchen? 
 
"It's a 100 yr old house ...I cannot bid the job because no telling what we'll find!"   Three months later, I had a gutted kitchen, new ceiling and floor; most walls up, but not the back wall where he had the new windows sitting 'temporarily' in place...and a very large, completely empty, untextured, unpainted room.
 
I finally let the guy go (who got verbally abusive) and hired someone else who DID bid the job and a few weeks later, had a glorious kitchen.  I had the same (new) guy to install all new windows and doors around my home...and put insulation and new siding wrapping the house...  He did 14 windows and two exterior doors, alone, in two days.
 
By the way, the first guy, who I discovered had padded one of his final bills with an extra $750 he couldn't account for (I don't think he can add)...took me to court and won!!! 
 
Be careful...very, very careful!  Bids are better... the second guy was able to bid my 100 year old windows.  Good luck!
 
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RE: motivating workers? how? - 10/8/2007 6:26:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Some very good posts. Ok- he is swinging a hammer today. When I see the windows in, even 1; it will show me it isnt hopeless.

Lady E, you are right about friends and relatives.

MsB, did I hire the same guy; LMAO!!!

HE looks refreshed by having the weekend off. [i wish i had his energy] i should add he is working fulltime as labor.

when i see the finished product= which maybe today one WILL be IN.  I thought about seeing a budget counsellor- but that might make things worse. :-)


Remodleing is a stressor. Tho in a way this is sorta maintenence.

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RE: motivating workers? how? - 10/8/2007 7:38:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Management/labor relations have gone to shit ever since they outlawed the use of the cat-o-nine tails – the greatest motivator ever invented.

My recommendation – fire the lazy bastard. If people squawk just tell them (in your best Godfather impersonation) that it is not personal, it’s business... strictly business.

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