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RE: IMO - 10/3/2007 4:08:22 PM   
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the only reason i can think of for using imho on here is......if you dont, you stand the chance of having folks come back and saying just because you think that does not mean everyone does....thats your opinion
so, as a courtesy and to save someone the trouble of telling you that its only your opinion, which takes so many more letters and much more time.....you can just type imho
course, thats just my opinion

Not everyone thinks like that SeeksOnlyOne.

you have wasted font-dang it i tried to save you the trouble
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Cause and effect SeeksOnlyOne. IMHO if you had not stated that bit about stopping people from accusing you of speaking for everyone I wouldn’t have then stated you are not speaking for everyone when you say that. You should have predicted I’m a pretty petty and sarcastic person and therefore the font wastage is on your head.




ahhhhh but i was not speaking for me, as no one ever has said that to me.....i suspect it is because of my clever usage of imho though.....i have seen others suffer the dire consequences of leaving the imho out though...

as for sarcasm, purt near every time i type its tongue in cheek.......of course, unless im offering my humble opinion.......then its so serious i have to state the fact thats its my opinion......can you state the fact of an opinion?  gawd this is too much thinking.....imho

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RE: IMO - 10/3/2007 5:08:00 PM   
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I have never had a doctor give me an opinion as to what might be wrong with me. I expect him to make a diagnosis. If that is beyond him I expect him to refer me to a specialist. If pushed they may give you an opinion but they really shouldn’t and in most cases don’t.

Of course, I'll just have to assume that is a "in my opinion" statement since my experience working in the medical field has taught me otherwise. A diagnosis is only an opinion. An educated and informed opinion, but in many cases - an opinion.
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There are no solid facts in science just theories that get revised every so often so be careful.


There are theories solid enough to be considered fact for day-to-day purposes.

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RE: IMO - 10/3/2007 8:38:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		LOL.. oh oh.  Before you know it people will not only be stating IMO (in order to not sound arrogant)..  They will also be citing references from Dictionaries, Medical or Science journals, ect..
Oh wait.. they already do!
<giggle>
I don't quote any medical or scientific journals mostly because I think that if people have issues that require those sort of facts, they are better off getting them directly from a professional. 
I am not a medical doctor and I do not play one on CM.  <g>  But I grant that many people may look for advice from forums.  It is just something I wouldnt be looking for online.
For me, what people type is their opinion.  EVEN if their opinion comes from reading citations from educational journals.  Unless they wrote them, of course.
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Aren't most of the topics and responses here, in our opinion?


No they aren't.  Some are medical or scientific facts.  Some are definitions.
Not everything is a self opinion.

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So why do people use that "IMO" so often?  Especially when it prefaces a negative comment?


I don't see it used that often and I haven't noticed it used only in a negative.  There was a time in CM (many years ago) when people used to joke about placing 'disclaimers'.
.That was funny.
 
Pft, if I want to put IMO in, I will and I don't think people should stop just because it may be perceived as being negative.
But that's my opinion.
Not fact.
Well, actually it is a fact.
But then that just get's confusing.
 
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RE: IMO - 10/4/2007 1:34:30 AM   
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how the heck did i post the same thing twice?

< Message edited by SeeksOnlyOne -- 10/4/2007 1:37:43 AM >

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RE: IMO - 10/4/2007 1:35:48 AM   
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Of course, I'll just have to assume that is a "in my opinion" statement since my experience working in the medical field has taught me otherwise. A diagnosis is only an opinion. An educated and informed opinion, but in many cases - an opinion.


once my doctor misdiagnosed something i had.  i cant even remember what it was now, something not major.   when i went back and he figured it out correctly, i said this visit is free since you screwed up last time huh?  he laughed and said theres a reason its called the "practice" of medicine.....everything i tell you is an educated guess.

smartass doctors (imho)


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RE: IMO - 10/4/2007 1:49:28 AM   
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In my opinion, the notion that the world  is round, not flat, is correct.

The world is not a perfect sphere it’s a hemisphere

IMO you are both wrong. The world is an oblate spheroid.
Others may not differ because IMO they would be wrong.
MO is final. OK?

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RE: IMO - 10/4/2007 7:39:21 AM   
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Of course, I'll just have to assume that is a "in my opinion" statement since my experience working in the medical field has taught me otherwise. A diagnosis is only an opinion. An educated and informed opinion, but in many cases - an opinion.


once my doctor misdiagnosed something i had.  i cant even remember what it was now, something not major.   when i went back and he figured it out correctly, i said this visit is free since you screwed up last time huh?  he laughed and said theres a reason its called the "practice" of medicine.....everything i tell you is an educated guess.

smartass doctors (imho)



I resemble that remark....imho.

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RE: IMO - 10/4/2007 11:12:07 AM   
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Of course, I'll just have to assume that is a "in my opinion" statement


See I knew you would get the hang of it without me having to say 'IMO' because obviously it’s my bloody opinion I typed it. Of coarse a doctor’s diagnosis is his opinion and he may be wrong but as a patient, which has nothing to do with working in the profession, I’d rather think he was always right and so not use IMO thanks. If I want an opinion about my medical condition I can get several off of the internet.

Getting back to the main issue here, if I read something written here I read it as your opinion unless given a reference. If you give a reference you obviously agree with the reference or otherwise wouldn’t use it, so it is still your opinion also. The only time you may type something you don’t agree with is when you are playing devils advocate to get opinions about a popular standpoint. When people are doing this it’s obvious as contradictions occur in the things they say. So why use IMO at all since everyone will assume it is your opinion anyway? It also won’t stop people from being critical of that opinion just by saying it. This is a discussion forum not an opinion forum, if you post something and add IMO hoping no one will take issue with that opinion then you are kidding yourself.

I think the other point people are saying is that people use IMO because they don’t want to make people think they are an authority on a subject. That just isn’t reality anyway because no matter how good the advice sounds here you’d be a fool to use it without seeking a second opinion and everyone knows that. So I also see the justification of the use of IMO for this reason as wrong.

Yes some things in science for practical everyday use can be seen as facts. An interesting side issue here occurred to me when you said 2+2=4 is a fact. I don’t know where I heard this but I’m sure in some part of the world there is a culture that only has words for so many numbers; when they count livestock they count 1, 2 ,3 ,3, 3. To them they have no comprehension of the number or quantity of four and so 2+2=3.

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RE: IMO - 10/4/2007 1:29:16 PM   
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If IMO bothers you, would you prefer IME - In My Experience?  Would that be a more accurate conveyance of the person's meaning?

Better yet, TIME - True In My Experience.

*ponders wondering back into the Free Will thread*



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RE: IMO - 10/4/2007 2:20:01 PM   
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Of course, I'll just have to assume that is a "in my opinion" statement


See I knew you would get the hang of it without me having to say 'IMO' because obviously it’s my bloody opinion I typed it.


Sure, I get the hang of it.

I just still view it as ineffective communication and therefore have no use for it.

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RE: IMO - 10/4/2007 3:07:55 PM   
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Silly question time [read, "hijack"]
If IMO bothers you, would you prefer IME - In My Experience?  Would that be a more accurate conveyance of the person's meaning?
Better yet, TIME - True In My Experience.
*ponders wondering back into the Free Will thread*


It's all rubbish and goes without saying so why say any of it? By the way I find it easier using both hands rather than passing the cue behind my back as you have done in that profile picture.

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RE: IMO - 10/4/2007 3:18:12 PM   
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It's all rubbish and goes without saying so why say any of it? By the way I find it easier using both hands rather than passing the cue behind my back as you have done in that profile picture.


So what, sound and fury signifies nothing?  C'mon, a little redundancy never hurt anyone...a little redundancy never hurt anyone...a little redundancy never hurt anyone...a little redundancy never hurt anyone...a little redundancy never hurt anyone...

I'm a lefty.  Trust me, behind the back was easier.


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RE: IMO - 10/4/2007 4:57:50 PM   
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Of course, I'll just have to assume that is a "in my opinion" statement since my experience working in the medical field has taught me otherwise. A diagnosis is only an opinion. An educated and informed opinion, but in many cases - an opinion.


once my doctor misdiagnosed something i had.  i cant even remember what it was now, something not major.   when i went back and he figured it out correctly, i said this visit is free since you screwed up last time huh?  he laughed and said theres a reason its called the "practice" of medicine.....everything i tell you is an educated guess.

smartass doctors (imho)



I resemble that remark....imho.


well, who can argue with the opinion of a doctor......

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RE: IMO - 10/4/2007 9:42:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I happen to like it when people use a term like "in my opinion" or something similar.  This indicates to me that they realize what they are posting IS an opinion, is debatable, and won't be accepted as FACT by those reading.

Also, to me it can tend to cut off arguments.  For instance, a topic that always stirs up emotion around here is "scat."  Many people won't consider it and think it's "gross."  In their posts, I find it nice if they say something like "For us, it's not something we enjoy.  We find it gross and don't engage in it."  That's fine.  That's how they feel and what they do/don't do.  However, if they said "scat is gross and wrong," that seems like they're accepting that as FACT and think others should as well.  If they added "to US it is gross and wrong," that indicates it's clearly an opinion and they aren't stating it as an indisputable fact.  Clear as mud?

It's hard to put into words but, to me, it really makes a difference when someone is clear that they are stating merely an opinion and not trying to dictate as fact what they feel.  Those who think their opinions are facts tend to be pompous, arrogant, know-it-alls and those are the posts I tend to skip.  When I see IMO or some other qualifier, I feel I am reading the post of a more open-minded writer.  Maybe it's just me...........luci

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RE: IMO - 10/5/2007 1:08:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Being overly concerned with politics doesn’t make anyone open minded. The problem with the world we live in, as I see it, is everyone is too scared to say what they feel and have to qualify what they say, or maybe even apologise for having an opinion that might be offensive to others. It would make a fresh change for me if people wrote in the same style they acted. Where are all these people that respect the opinions of others in the real world? I’m so sick of people saying what they feel is the right thing all the time.

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RE: IMO - 10/5/2007 1:31:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		If I am posting something, if possible its both my opinion AND I think its correct or fact. Its not necessarily arrogance, it could be confidence.

I couldnt agree more with Full Circle. There is so much bullshit in peoples image projection on message boards. I mean, its basically a massive deception to try and hide ones true nature by trotting out disinfected mediocrity in the hopes that people wont see how fucked up you actually are. Yet everyone is always going to say "oh honesty is sooo important"....its in pretty short supply for such an essential. "In my opinion" is just another sop to the liberal PC value destroyers.

People should quit tip toeing around other peoples sensibilities and grow a backbone.

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RE: IMO - 10/5/2007 2:28:55 PM   
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Being overly concerned with politics doesn’t make anyone open minded. The problem with the world we live in, as I see it, is everyone is too scared to say what they feel and have to qualify what they say, or maybe even apologise for having an opinion that might be offensive to others. It would make a fresh change for me if people wrote in the same style they acted. Where are all these people that respect the opinions of others in the real world? I’m so sick of people saying what they feel is the right thing all the time.


The problem depends on what you are talking about. Everyone has hot button issues and if someone hit yours with wording that is judgmental and totally a gross generalization or clearly pointing out their own preference or opinion I am betting a lot your response would be worded significantly different.

I would not argue this country is way too politically correct but my view of this thread is just a more intelligent conversation of some people not accepting that the medium of written communication is vastly different then talking to a person face to face. Certain things are just done to try to communicate the meaning and tone of one’s words.

Spoken language is full of complexities and visual and tone clues to pick up the true meaning of the words spoken. Written words require extra words to try to equal that level. It is this attempt that people use the “extra” words. Many just like to make sure what they are trying to communicate is an accurate representation with minimal distortion and has nothing to do with political correctness.



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RE: IMO - 10/5/2007 2:42:13 PM   
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The problem depends on what you are talking about. Everyone has hot button issues and if someone hit yours with wording that is judgmental and totally a gross generalization or clearly pointing out their own preference or opinion I am betting a lot your response would be worded significantly different.

I would not argue this country is way too politically correct but my view of this thread is just a more intelligent conversation of some people not accepting that the medium of written communication is vastly different then talking to a person face to face. Certain things are just done to try to communicate the meaning and tone of one’s words.

Spoken language is full of complexities and visual and tone clues to pick up the true meaning of the words spoken. Written words require extra words to try to equal that level. It is this attempt that people use the “extra” words. Many just like to make sure what they are trying to communicate is an accurate representation with minimal distortion and has nothing to do with political correctness.


As I've already said people seem to have all kinds of uses for ‘IMHO’ etc. but strange how it’s a rather modern nonsense and people survived for years with written communications without having to state the obvious; that they were writing down their opinions and not speaking for everyone or stating fact. Do it all you like but one day you’ll hardly recognise this beautiful language as it will be covered with a foam of unnecessary crap and obviousness.


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RE: IMO - 10/5/2007 3:04:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually people have been using these phrases throughout written history. You just happen not to notice it because what you have read most of your life come in the forms of factual articles in the papers, magazines, textbooks which has fact checkers and are not opinion based words and fiction which has no need for them.

The message board, blogs and other modern communication is relatively new so therefore the language to adapt to them is on the new side. So people on here may write in my opinion it is actually for a reason. Read a letter discussing something from a scientist in any time in history and see “I Believe” dominates their words on things that are not proven.

This has nothing to do about political correctness and dulling of the language. It has to do about people wanting to be clear about what they are trying to communicate and common manners. In real life you do not go up to someone and go “Women should be made to wear only heals in a snide tone” and expect a positive reaction. But if you truly wanted to debate this issue you would probably say “I think women would be better off only wearing heals” you get a different reaction. That is what is going on for the most part when people use these words; they just want to communicate accurately. Has zero to do with dulling of the language. In fact if anything, it has everything about making the language distinctive.



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RE: IMO - 10/5/2007 3:14:04 PM   
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Actually people have been using these phrases throughout written history. You just happen not to notice it because what you have read most of your life come in the forms of factual articles in the papers, magazines, textbooks which has fact checkers and are not opinion based words and fiction which has no need for them.

The message board, blogs and other modern communication is relatively new so therefore the language to adapt to them is on the new side. So people on here may write in my opinion it is actually for a reason. Read a letter discussing something from a scientist in any time in history and see “I Believe” dominates their words on things that are not proven.

This has nothing to do about political correctness and dulling of the language. It has to do about people wanting to be clear about what they are trying to communicate and common manners. In real life you do not go up to someone and go “Women should be made to wear only heals in a snide tone” and expect a positive reaction. But if you truly wanted to debate this issue you would probably say “I think women would be better off only wearing heals” you get a different reaction. That is what is going on for the most part when people use these words; they just want to communicate accurately. Has zero to do with dulling of the language. In fact if anything, it has everything about making the language distinctive.


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