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IMO - 10/3/2007 11:25:27 AM   
Missokyst


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Status: offline 		In my opinion..
Aren't most of the topics and responses here, in our opinion?
I see a lot of people qualifying their, what may be seen as negative comments with "In my opinion" as if that somehow removes any implied insult.  But, isn't everything we type here our own opinion?  Good or bad, upbeat or neurotic, a cheer or a jeer.. we type it because that is what we think. 
If I were to say.. "the only thing to fear is fear itself"  I would qualify it by saying it is a quote by FDR.  It was HIS opinion and I may or may not share it.  (I don't btw). 
Everything else I type here is my opinion, like it or not. 
So why do people use that "IMO" so often?  Especially when it prefaces a negative comment?
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RE: IMO - 10/3/2007 11:29:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		because i don't want to seem like a pompus ass attempting to pass my opinion off as a fact....

and IMO, this thread belongs in off topic


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RE: IMO - 10/3/2007 11:32:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Missokyst

In my opinion..
Aren't most of the topics and responses here, in our opinion?
I see a lot of people qualifying their, what may be seen as negative comments with "In my opinion" as if that somehow removes any implied insult.  But, isn't everything we type here our own opinion?  Good or bad, upbeat or neurotic, a cheer or a jeer.. we type it because that is what we think. 
If we don't IMO all over the place the accusation of OneWayism is used.
If I were to say.. "the only thing to fear is fear itself"  I would qualify it by saying it is a quote by FDR.  It was HIS opinion and I may or may not share it.  (I don't btw). 
Everything else I type here is my opinion, like it or not. 
So why do people use that "IMO" so often?  Especially when it prefaces a negative comment?
They hope it will appear they aren't saying anything nasty. If it is 'just their opinion' then it is okay to say, something along the lines of prefacing with 'now don't take this wrong' or 'don't take this the wrong way' etc.
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RE: IMO - 10/3/2007 11:40:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Missokyst

In my opinion..
Aren't most of the topics and responses here, in our opinion?
I see a lot of people qualifying their, what may be seen as negative comments with "In my opinion" as if that somehow removes any implied insult.  But, isn't everything we type here our own opinion?  Good or bad, upbeat or neurotic, a cheer or a jeer.. we type it because that is what we think. 
If I were to say.. "the only thing to fear is fear itself"  I would qualify it by saying it is a quote by FDR.  It was HIS opinion and I may or may not share it.  (I don't btw). 
Everything else I type here is my opinion, like it or not. 
So why do people use that "IMO" so often?  Especially when it prefaces a negative comment?
Kyst



Funny how that works, eh?  I use it to clarify that what I am saying is my own thinking and that I am not presenting something as fact.  I don't necessarily use it before a negative thought...at least not consciously...but I do use it when I am saying something that I have thought about long and hard and am being more serious than at other times.

In all honesty...and there is another phrase that gets used a lot and in reality means little because, if  you don't know me, then how do you really know I am being totally honest?...I think part of it has to do with whatever exposure we had to various English teachers and their form of corrective actions upon our papers or speaking assignments as we were going through the process of education, our exposure to other folks' writing, our exposure to the written and spoken word of others.

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RE: IMO - 10/3/2007 11:40:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Some things we post are fact. "Careful with breath play - humans denied oxygen will die", "Careful with nipple clamps. Tissue cut off from blood for X amount of time will die". Other things get kinda iffy. "Communication will improve your relationship." Is that a fact or is that an opinion? I'm sure someone would argue that it is only an opinion.

While I don't add "IMO" to everything, I do often enough. For me, it simply reminds people that this is just our way of doing this. It's not right or wrong, just right for me. I prefer reading that than trying to guess if someone is simply speaking from their opinion or if they have the "one way" mindset. As for why it gets added when you have to say something negative... depends on the person. I use it sometimes because I simply don't know the entire situation. I can only have a limited opinion based on the information provided for me. I don't think I use it to soften the blow, only to remind the reader that I could be way off base - it's just my opinion.

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RE: IMO - 10/3/2007 11:41:19 AM   
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Aren't most of the topics and responses here, in our opinion?


No they aren't.  Some are medical or scientific facts.  Some are definitions.
Not everything is a self opinion.

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So why do people use that "IMO" so often?  Especially when it prefaces a negative comment?


I don't see it used that often and I haven't noticed it used only in a negative.  There was a time in CM (many years ago) when people used to joke about placing 'disclaimers'.
.That was funny.
 
Pft, if I want to put IMO in, I will and I don't think people should stop just because it may be perceived as being negative.
But that's my opinion.
Not fact.
Well, actually it is a fact.
But then that just get's confusing.
 
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RE: IMO - 10/3/2007 12:27:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		In my opinion, the notion that the world  is round, not flat, is correct.  Other people may hold a different opinion.

Neither of those opinions will alter the shape of the world.



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RE: IMO - 10/3/2007 12:42:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I hardly ever use the term IMO and when I do it’s only me taking the piss out of those that use it. Everything I type here is open to interpretation and the end observer of my comments may regard them as arrogance, I don’t care. In fact those that get upset because someone is stating opinion as fact can go fuck themselves with a broom handle for all I care. If I have facts to back up an opinion I’ll state sources but I’m not a search engine whose sole purpose in life is to produce facts from other places and not have any input or opinion myself.

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RE: IMO - 10/3/2007 12:47:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado
In my opinion, the notion that the world  is round, not flat, is correct.  Other people may hold a different opinion.


The world is not a perfect sphere it’s a hemisphere i.e. flat in some places. Flatness is a human concept that doesn’t exist in reality; draw a line on paper and it won’t be completely flat even if you use a rule, build something and it won’t be completely level. The property of flatness is a human aspiration for some unobtainable perfection. IMHO the world is flat in places although not completely.

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RE: IMO - 10/3/2007 1:31:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		It depends on how IMO or other qualifiers and disclaimers are used.

For many who put those in they are just trying to communicate like others have written this is their belief not a one true belief. In other words this is what I believe in but I am not dismissive of others if different. I think people in all honesty could be better at putting these in to avoid flames.

Then there are people who put things like this as a disclaimer. Here is what I believe and anything negative or to the contrary is not welcomed or uncalled for. I do not care much for these or give them much credence. If you post something on a message board you are literally posting something to get commented on and for the population on a whole and not just who or how you want it discussed.

Blogs are for people to write without fear or direction of comment.


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RE: IMO - 10/3/2007 1:50:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		What is the point in saying something that isn’t your opinion? Anything written has to be seen as a person’s personal opinion or there is no point typing it. If it is their opinion based on facts researched by others they can state so and give sources. They can also state when it isn’t their opinion if they for any reason need to. ‘IMO’ is irrelevant nonsense that people say because they either are scared of saying something people will object to or they don’t want to appear arrogant. Could you imagine if you went to your doctor and he said IMHO you have a brain tumour? How much confidence would that give you? Imagine you are an engineer and you say IMHO that beam needs to be an awful lot deeper; will the contractor bother to change it?  Some people are by nature arrogant because they have to be to inspire confidence. I don’t see it as a bad quality to be arrogant in every situation. Have an opinion and dare to be wrong because everyone is wrong once in a while. You do your best in life to ensure you are giving the correct information, people should understand that and not feel the need to always qualify the information they give. IMO crossing the road is more dangerous than boarding a plane.

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RE: IMO - 10/3/2007 1:58:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		the only reason i can think of for using imho on here is......if you dont, you stand the chance of having folks come back and saying just because you think that does not mean everyone does....thats your opinion

so, as a courtesy and to save someone the trouble of telling you that its only your opinion, which takes so many more letters and much more time.....you can just type imho

course, thats just my opinion

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RE: IMO - 10/3/2007 2:01:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SeeksOnlyOne
the only reason i can think of for using imho on here is......if you dont, you stand the chance of having folks come back and saying just because you think that does not mean everyone does....thats your opinion
so, as a courtesy and to save someone the trouble of telling you that its only your opinion, which takes so many more letters and much more time.....you can just type imho
course, thats just my opinion


Not everyone thinks like that SeeksOnlyOne.

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RE: IMO - 10/3/2007 2:04:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FullCircle

they don’t want to appear arrogant.

In a medium where misinterpretation is the norm and not the exception, a little more care to about what how we are projecting ourselves is a good thing.
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Could you imagine if you went to your doctor and he said IMHO you have a brain tumour?

Where do you think the phrase "I want a second opinion" came from?
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Imagine you are an engineer and you say IMHO that beam needs to be an awful lot deeper; will the contractor bother to change it?  

If it needs to be deeper, that would be a fact.

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RE: IMO - 10/3/2007 2:09:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FullCircle

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ORIGINAL: SeeksOnlyOne
the only reason i can think of for using imho on here is......if you dont, you stand the chance of having folks come back and saying just because you think that does not mean everyone does....thats your opinion
so, as a courtesy and to save someone the trouble of telling you that its only your opinion, which takes so many more letters and much more time.....you can just type imho
course, thats just my opinion


Not everyone thinks like that SeeksOnlyOne.


you have wasted font-dang it i tried to save you the trouble

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RE: IMO - 10/3/2007 2:18:34 PM   
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In a medium where misinterpretation is the norm and not the exception, a little more care to about what how we are projecting ourselves is a good thing.

Someone’s misinterpretation of me is meaningless to me, they can read what I write and be their own judge of me. I can’t help them with that because I’ve had people hate me for the most trivial things that couldn’t have been misinterpreted. Some people just don’t want to see anything positive and will find any excuse not to.
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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub
Where do you think the phrase "I want a second opinion" came from?

I don’t really understand what point you are making here are you saying some doctors don’t appear arrogant and that’s why people seek a second opinion? Some people may seek a second opinion but it will be solely based on their opinion that the initial doctor is wrong, regardless of how he phrases any particular ailment.
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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub
If it needs to be deeper, that would be a fact.

Try telling that to an arrogant contractor in a meak mamby pamby way. My point is that just because you call yourself an engineer it will not mean anything to a contractor who wants to cut corners and sees you as a pushover. You must have a presence on site and arrogance is part of that.


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RE: IMO - 10/3/2007 2:24:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Of course these are people's opinions.
Perhaps people use it to differentiate opinion from fact.
I don't really use it that much.
If someone's giving me a hard time I just say,"well, gee, excuse me for having an OPINION!(fuckface)

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RE: IMO - 10/3/2007 2:36:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SeeksOnlyOne

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ORIGINAL: FullCircle
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the only reason i can think of for using imho on here is......if you dont, you stand the chance of having folks come back and saying just because you think that does not mean everyone does....thats your opinion
so, as a courtesy and to save someone the trouble of telling you that its only your opinion, which takes so many more letters and much more time.....you can just type imho
course, thats just my opinion

Not everyone thinks like that SeeksOnlyOne.

you have wasted font-dang it i tried to save you the trouble
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Cause and effect SeeksOnlyOne. IMHO if you had not stated that bit about stopping people from accusing you of speaking for everyone I wouldn’t have then stated you are not speaking for everyone when you say that. You should have predicted I’m a pretty petty and sarcastic person and therefore the font wastage is on your head.



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RE: IMO - 10/3/2007 2:42:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FullCircle

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In a medium where misinterpretation is the norm and not the exception, a little more care to about what how we are projecting ourselves is a good thing.

Someone’s misinterpretation of me is meaningless to me, they can read what I write and be their own judge of me. I can’t help them with that because I’ve had people hate me for the most trivial things that couldn’t have been misinterpreted. Some people just don’t want to see anything positive and will find any excuse not to.


Some of us prefer clarity in our wording.
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Where do you think the phrase "I want a second opinion" came from?

I don’t really understand what point you are making here are you saying some doctors don’t appear arrogant and that’s why people seek a second opinion? Some people may seek a second opinion but it will be solely based on their opinion that the initial doctor is wrong, regardless of how he phrases any particular ailment.

A medical diagnosis is only an opinion based on prior experience and facts. There are some things where it is really easy to tell and it is less of an opinion and more of fact. Bone sticking out the skin? Compound facture. However when you get into the more complicated things, it is an opinion and that is all there is to it. A doctor will tell you "In my opinion, you have X, Y, or Z" without fear of looking weak or uneducated because they understand that is their opinion. If the patient does not trust the doctor's opinion, they get a second one. But it is only an opinion.

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Try telling that to an arrogant contractor in a meak mamby pamby way. My point is that just because you call yourself an engineer it will not mean anything to a contractor who wants to cut corners and sees you as a pushover. You must have a presence on site and arrogance is part of that.



Facts are not opinions. 2+2=4 is not an opinion, it is a fact. Why anyone would say "In my opinion the building will collapse if we don't use this type of steel" when it is fact that the building will collapse is beyond me. However, saying "We should use this brand of spackling because in my opinion it dries faster" makes sense.

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RE: IMO - 10/3/2007 3:01:53 PM   
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Some of us prefer clarity in our wording.

I am not some of you and ‘IMHO’ clarifies nothing as read by me.
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A medical diagnosis is only an opinion based on prior experience and facts. There are some things where it is really easy to tell and it is less of an opinion and more of fact. Bone sticking out the skin? Compound facture. However when you get into the more complicated things, it is an opinion and that is all there is to it. A doctor will tell you "In my opinion, you have X, Y, or Z" without fear of looking weak or uneducated because they understand that is their opinion. If the patient does not trust the doctor's opinion, they get a second one. But it is only an opinion.

I have never had a doctor give me an opinion as to what might be wrong with me. I expect him to make a diagnosis. If that is beyond him I expect him to refer me to a specialist. If pushed they may give you an opinion but they really shouldn’t and in most cases don’t.
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Facts are not opinions. 2+2=4 is not an opinion, it is a fact. Why anyone would say "In my opinion the building will collapse if we don't use this type of steel" when it is fact that the building will collapse is beyond me. However, saying "We should use this brand of spackling because in my opinion it dries faster" makes sense.

They wouldn’t say it in reality that’s my point even though some people here given the choice would speak like that. Also no products will be bought based on the opinion of one person. Someone will write a specification which will be largely based on a nationally established standard specification. All facts are ultimately opinions some opinions are more recognised than others. Some facts are based on polls conducted which are the opinions of a cross section of people. Some facts are based on scientific observations which are the opinion of the scientist involved and recognised as fact. There are no solid facts in science just theories that get revised every so often so be careful.

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