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On Iran's political leadership... - 10/2/2007 4:26:46 PM

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Four Myths Government and Media Use to Scare Us About 'Dictators'
http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/64103

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Just some stuff you should know before we get marketed into accepting yet another war.

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RE: On Iran's political leadership... - 10/2/2007 5:37:53 PM

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I do not believe there is anymore room to the left, you are as far left as anyone can get.

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RE: On Iran's political leadership... - 10/2/2007 6:53:22 PM

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Is that what passes for a substantive statement in your view?

Yeah, let's make this about me and not the actual topic...

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RE: On Iran's political leadership... - 10/2/2007 7:08:45 PM

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Maybe a little entertainment for you Sugar

Tormented still by hate and pain,
I see the dead rise up again.
Their shaven heads and bodies bare,
The scars of torture painted there.
The thoughts they had, the "crimes" they felt
Imprinted now, by welt on welt.
The men they loved, the men they knew,
All standing here like me and you.
And when it came, the time to die,
We heard it too, that anguished cry.
But cowards in our lair we hid,
They died for us, for what we did.
And all that time, whilst we were proud
And marched in peace, and spoke out loud,
The bad ones watched, and made their notes
And raised their men and got their votes.
And once in charge, they had their way
And purged the strong, day after day.
Whilst we, the weak, gave up our fight,
And hid by day, and loved by night.
And round and round the world we go
And see the same, and fight the foe.
But fundamentals stay the same,
No lessons learned, the same old game.
For humans here and humans there
Are all the same with souls laid bare.
And dog eats dog and man eats man,
Each aims to win howe'er he can.
And damn his friends from olden days.
He kills the blacks and kills the gays
And hangs the Jews and feels just great,
And sees it all as Evil's fate.
Sorrow pours from the corpses' eyes.
They gave their lives, we did not rise.
Next time, we swear, we'll fight the fight.
They trust us not, and they are right.
For cowards born as cowards live
And take the love that others give.
But danger came, and then we ran
And saved ourselves. And such is man.

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RE: On Iran's political leadership... - 10/2/2007 7:43:19 PM

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Nope. Just a comment.

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Is that what passes for a substantive statement in your view?

Yeah, let's make this about me and not the actual topic...

[N.B. There's no more room down below. You are as close to the bottom as you can lower yourself.]

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RE: On Iran's political leadership... - 10/2/2007 11:36:44 PM

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ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro

Four Myths Government and Media Use to Scare Us About 'Dictators'
http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/64103

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Just some stuff you should know before we get marketed into accepting yet another war.

Fog Fact No. 1: The president of Iran is not a dictator.

True, Iran is not a dictatorship.

Fog Fact No. 2: The "appeasement" in the myth is very specific and rather narrow.

Chamberlain got a bad name for his appeasement of Hitler but the truth is that Chamberlain knew a war would have to be fought, he wanted to delay it because Britain wasn't prepared for war. Germany has been preparing for war for twelve years, Britain three. The Royal Navy and Royal airforce were in a condition to fight the Germans but Britain had no land army to talk of, it was small and had largely obsolete equipement. If Chamberlain's tactics had delayed the war by a few years so Britain could prepare, he would have been seen as a wiley old politician. His tactic didn't delay the Germans so his infamy goes down in history. When Britain did declare war in '39, it wasn't prepared and it could have ended up a huge mistake. Thankfully Hitler wasn't up to the task of leading Germany and ignored his generals' advice.

Fog Fact No. 3: Sometimes "appeasement" works well; it was American policy for 50 years.

True. Appeasement is an age old tactic.

Fog Fact No. 4: Nobody is speaking of what happens after a war with Iran.

True. What is the betting on Iraq No.2?

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