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RE: Stick a label on me.. I am done! - 9/19/2007 1:56:37 PM

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Isn't it a contradiction to have an opinion about someone else that this someone else can't have an opinion about the one with the first opinion?

That's not an opinion. That's a fundamental statement of belief. I am my own person. I neither need nor desire the approval of society at large. I do desire the validation and love of those close to me, but until I allow you close enough to me to be able to know me, what you think of me is irrelevant.

So what you mean is that you, personally, don't care about anothers' opinion, not that they can't have it?

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RE: Stick a label on me.. I am done! - 9/19/2007 1:57:53 PM

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So what you mean is that you, personally, don't care about anothers' opinion, not that they can't have it?

I mean exactly this: Until I say otherwise, your opinion does not exist.

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RE: Stick a label on me.. I am done! - 9/19/2007 2:00:12 PM

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So what you mean is that you, personally, don't care about anothers' opinion, not that they can't have it?

I mean exactly this: Until I say otherwise, your opinion does not exist.

Sounds kinda like sticking your head in the dirt to me. Heh. But don't mind me- this post doesn't exist. ;)

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RE: Stick a label on me.. I am done! - 9/19/2007 2:03:11 PM

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I kind of see labels like I do hair colors (not the dyed ones). I know someone who has very very light brown hair. I call it dirty blond, they don't see all the highlights in their mirror that I can see as I look at them.
We have catagories of blonde, redhead and brunette.

Some people with auborn hair say they're redheads. Some say they are brunettes with red highlights. Some don't even see the red, because they don't look at it while standing in the sun.
Not all brunettes have auborn hair, some have golden highlights, not red.

It's very rare to see the catagory, black hair, just as it's rare to see a catagory of toehead.

Some blondes are strawberry blonds, and choose to say they're redheads...welllllll ya get the gist of what I'm saying.

The label is there, ya just have to delve deeper to find all the hues.

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RE: Stick a label on me.. I am done! - 9/19/2007 2:04:21 PM

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Macbeth
Act V
Scene 5

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RE: Stick a label on me.. I am done! - 9/19/2007 2:09:46 PM

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You're welcome.

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RE: Stick a label on me.. I am done! - 9/19/2007 3:19:02 PM

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This is tangential to the "labels" idea, but it does relate to the topic, IMO: I have to say, that I have always have appreciated (I am being sarcastic) the "I will push your limits" talk - and from random Gents who don't know me at all from a hole in the ground especially.

1) If they don't know me, how would they know what my limits are, even? (and if they don't know, how can they say they "will push my limits?"
What happens if...I say one to them, that one of my "limits" is: Robbing banks, dressed in a short leather skirt, and no bra or underwear, and that I want to do it blind-folded, for instance? What then? Sometimes, I've been tempted to say something like this really is one of my "limits" - just to see what they'd say back, as far as them "pushing" me past it, etc...

2) Seriously - I always sort of thought that the word "Limit" implied a static boundary that could not be crossed. I know what my limits are (the Hard ones anyway). I don't want those pushed, expanded, "stretched" or altered.- I want them left alone - and in a big enough way - that if someone did try to "push" them, I'd consider it grounds to leave them altogether.

- Susan

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RE: Stick a label on me.. I am done! - 9/19/2007 3:24:40 PM

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Susan....it's very simple tell them "I have this lorenna bobbit sort of thing going on......I'd love to spend the night-you do sleep soundly-right?"

" I mean, it's not a limit for ya, is it-you DO like pushing and all........."

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RE: Stick a label on me.. I am done! - 9/19/2007 3:26:47 PM

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RRafe: I like it!! That's even better.

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RE: Stick a label on me.. I am done! - 9/19/2007 3:28:14 PM

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RRafe: I like it!! That's even better.

- Susan

The one about roofies, and having him wake up cross-dressed and made up like slut in a public place that his freinds hang out works too..

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RE: Stick a label on me.. I am done! - 9/19/2007 3:29:39 PM

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RRafe: Ha! I am going to remember these... thank you!

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RE: Stick a label on me.. I am done! - 9/19/2007 3:30:32 PM

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RRafe: Ha! I am going to remember these... thank you!

- Susan

I got a million of these, yer welcome.

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RE: Stick a label on me.. I am done! - 9/19/2007 3:34:28 PM

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Or maybe say - one of my "limits" is my Dom agreeing to to wear "sissy panties" while he scrubs the floor (say this, just to see what happens)...

- Susan

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RE: Stick a label on me.. I am done! - 9/19/2007 3:36:56 PM

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Oh no, my limits are beer and football-you will have to give them up.

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RE: Stick a label on me.. I am done! - 9/19/2007 3:42:07 PM

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Actually...those last two really are my "limits" (just teasing). I really do think I am gonna mention someof the previous ones mentioned, though - the next time I get any "I will push you past your limits and expand your boundaries" talk - from someone who doesn't know me, really. It could be fun (in a harmless evil sort of way) and it would make my point, too.

- Susan

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RE: Stick a label on me.. I am done! - 9/19/2007 3:55:19 PM

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If anybody still thinks that the scene can be easily pigeon-holed, defined, with everyone neatly labelled and tagged, they are living in a fantasy world.

The whole point about the scene is that is is a plethora of paradoxes, an infinity of constantly shifting mirrors, nothing is what it seems.

Nothing stays the same; everything changes, everything recurs, but the patterns of change and of recurrence are themselves unpredictable.

The only thing you can be sure of is the moment; of how it feels to you of being with the one whose company you share.

But thinking, even for a moment, that his/her perception of the moment you are sharing will be the same is itself an illusion.

So just enjoy the moment, enjoy the current company, and look for more of what you remember well, and less of what you don't.

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RE: Stick a label on me.. I am done! - 9/19/2007 3:57:32 PM

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I guess what I object to about "labels" is that although they are useful, they seem to some folks to imply that people don't have individual needs (no matter how they are labelled) and also that they never change.

People are all different - not all Doms are "Domly" according to the Dom "rulebook" and neither are submissives all the same. People have needs and capabilities that can vary over time, IMO.

I am a Switch. But I started out as a submissive only. I am not saying everyone (or anyone, necessarily) does that - but it took me over a year to realize I needed to "expand my label", and do that for myself, in service to myself - and also that I had no reason to feel guilty about it.

- Susan

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RE: Stick a label on me.. I am done! - 9/19/2007 4:18:35 PM

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LMAO!!! I like that limit!
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Or maybe say - one of my "limits" is my Dom agreeing to to wear "sissy panties" while he scrubs the floor (say this, just to see what happens)...

- Susan

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RE: Stick a label on me.. I am done! - 9/19/2007 4:21:51 PM

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Thanks. I wonder what kind of reaction it would get from the likes of the guy you talked to (I seriously do).

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RE: Stick a label on me.. I am done! - 9/19/2007 9:26:16 PM

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If a guy tells me he's a serious dom, I won't argue (unless they ask me to) with them about it. I accept their choice for their own labels.

That being said, I still might wander the earth the rest of my days with the judgement of "He's really a selfish sadistic top."

But who cares?

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