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RE: just a q thats been bothering me... - 9/19/2007 6:04:47 AM   
SirCache


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They are completely using you.  Does a third person help out with the bills?  Yeah--it does.  But if they are questioning getting a higher education, I would drop them.

A truly loving, caring relationship is one that will expect you to be responsible for helping when others need help, but pushing you to make sure that you become the very best person you can possibly be.  When my wife started questioning going back to get her college degree, I supported her the whole way.  Sure, it means a $40,000 loan, and yeah, it means that I do a lot more work around the house because she needs to study/do homework.  Not once have I ever said a bad thing about it, because this is important.  I have seen her become more confident, she has already been promoted at work, and this is making her a stronger person.

Anyone who would deny you that right does not deserve your loyalty, affection, or 'household assistance'.

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RE: just a q thats been bothering me... - 9/19/2007 6:17:37 AM   
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I am confused as to why you would even consider it.  When the need to submit out weighs common sense, self preservation, and taking care of your future, then it is time to pull back and rethink.  If these people sound logical when they are proposing it to you and on your own you start to question things, it is time to recognize that you may not be ready to be doing this.  If being manipulated is your thing, at least wait till you are in their circle before falling for it.  Until that point, use some life sense.  You are questioning things now.  THAT is life sense.  Pay attention.
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RE: just a q thats been bothering me... - 9/19/2007 6:20:23 AM   
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oh wow...I can't imagine not fostering the educational needs/wants of my ward.  It totally makes me cringe to think that people who want you would expect you to cheat the system.  Others have said it, and I agree....run and don't look back or have guilt.

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RE: just a q thats been bothering me... - 9/19/2007 6:32:26 AM   
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I agree with everyone here that you know the answer already that these people are not a fit for you.

Do people have to be financially responsible of course is no they don’t but you also get into what another person is comfortable with and the actual definition of financially responsible. For some that means they live within their means and do not live paycheck to paycheck but to others it could mean no debt outside of a mortgage and everything else under the sun. People can live a rich life and be totally financially irresponsible and some can live near poverty level and be totally responsible. It is what you are comfortable with.

There are a lot of poly people out there that truly want full relationships with other people but as there also are a lot of poly people out there that the extra person(s) are not about a full and mutual relationship and are only after it for the convenience they believes it offers, whether free servant or bring money into the house. People just need to be careful.



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RE: just a q thats been bothering me... - 9/19/2007 7:13:45 AM   
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are you talking to my ex's??

seriously though, as someone in a nearly identical boat...set your boundaries and stick to them...its really fucking hard and painful...i can't work, mentally and finally got the physical diagnosis a month ago -woohoo, not-...i technically shouldn't be driving (i do it anyway when i can, i recognize my limitations most of the time cause i refuse to be stuck at home and no one can get that throught their thick skulls around here)...it sucks...but its reality...i get SSI...i go to school...on good days i can clean up a storm...i am not useless...i am just not reliable on a set schedule...my brain don't work that way (all my shit is in my head...lol)...

but anyway...i tell every single person that i talk to in a romantic relationship capacity, after i figure out they are not just trying to find interactive porn, or whatever...i am not going to work because i have these disabilities but i do get x amount of money a month from SSI...once a year that goes up a certain amount for inflation but it doesn't cover the price of milk going up lol...so, can you afford to support me (because that is a supplimental income not an income...) and if they can't it stops the relationship talks right there...

i have to do whats right for me all around, in the long term...i can have sex or get beaten without committing to anyone...and i can do so very safely...heck i can think of 4 people, 2 for each one, that i can call and go do those things today....i could get beat as soon as She wakes up...i could probably get fucked in about oh 20 minutes...could get fucked by another guy anytime today...and get beat by another Guy as soon as he gets off work...and thats just the people i have their phone numbers in my phone...and 3 out of those 4 people actually care a LOT about me...but they are not people i want a full time relationship with...and i am looking for a full time relationship...

umm so....if you got through all that...or didn't...umm the key paragraph was the second one...

good luck
chelle


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RE: just a q thats been bothering me... - 9/19/2007 10:02:23 AM   
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Thank you all for your support...huggs

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RE: just a q thats been bothering me... - 9/19/2007 4:33:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MissMagnolia

I'm thinking the best people to ask is the couple involved. If you don't like what they seem to be saying, why are you even considering them? Better to leave the "relationship" sooner rather than later.


Exactly, another way to say that is  "trust yourself"...

Rather than listening to a bunch of strangers who don't know the details or this couple and can't talk with them use your communications skills and then trust your own judgment. We're sure your insight is most likely the best to decide your path.

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RE: just a q thats been bothering me... - 9/19/2007 4:40:00 PM   
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Well done for spotting something was wrong.
"but when i hung up the phone, i thought, that doesnt sound right"
There's your gut reaction kicking in right there.
Ive got one. We've all got one.
Some of us actually act upon our most basic warning system. Do you?

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RE: just a q thats been bothering me... - 9/20/2007 5:20:32 AM   
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Are you financially stable?

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RE: just a q thats been bothering me... - 9/20/2007 7:28:00 AM   
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In total agreement with the previous posts RUNNNNNNN dont look back and only THEY should feel any guilt what so ever!!!

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RE: just a q thats been bothering me... - 9/20/2007 12:56:55 PM   
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And kudos to you for questioning their motives and not just blindly falling into the trap.  Not only do they want your money, they aren't supporting your goals for school, and then they want you to do something illegal.

Don't give these people another thought or moment of your time!  And good luck with your schooling !

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RE: just a q thats been bothering me... - 9/20/2007 1:01:58 PM   
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I don't really have enough information to determine anything, however, just to play devils advocate, maybe they are financially secure and desire to remain that way so they are making sure that you can contribute your fair share rather then depend on them to support you while you go to school.

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RE: just a q thats been bothering me... - 9/20/2007 1:27:09 PM   
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*Sigh*  I have to admit that I get really tired of seeing these types of threads and the typical responses.  Yes, there may be red flags.  But why they are red flags is more to the point, as far as I am concerned. 
So My first question to you is why would you even consider going to a Dominant(s) that need your income to financially make it?  If they need your income to pay their personal bills, that is a problem.    If they are considering the combined incomes and how that impacts the ability to pay higher living expenses because they are increasing the size of their household, that is another thing entirely.  Use your head, instead of coming to the message boards to ask such a silly question, when you already know the answer, or you have already made up your mind.  More questions to think about at the end of My response. 
I will answer as to how I look at things from the fact that I seek the M/s relationship with one or more "slaves", and how that impacts a household economically. 
When I had "j", he had a fairly large credit card balance, a car payment,  car insurance, a personal loan for dental work and school tuition.  He also had a death in the family very shorly after the move, and I permitted him to charge additional monies, increasing that credit card balance even more, in order to purchase a plane ticket and rent a car to get to the funeral.  So,  I did, in fact, crunch the numbers, before I made other decisions and accepted him as My boy.  When all was said and done, there was not that much left over to go to the "household" per se.  He was able to live on an extremely tight budget in a small, one bedrooom apartment.  The fact that he had to take out a loan to pay for dental work and had a reasonably large credit card bill is indication enough that he was having his own issues in making it. 
I took a  house on a lease purchase plan that had a much higher rent.  This would accomodate Myself, and the two boys, including "j", as well as a couple of others who were being considered as potential additions to the household.  I took on more rent, higher utilities, a larger grocery bill, and added the responsibility for "j's" bills to the household budget.  Yes, I had to crunch the numbers.  His bills were always paid, on time, his tuition was up to date (just a few days prior , in fact) when he came to Me and asked for a renegotiation of his contract.  My contract clearly states that all monies come to Me. In spite of all My efforts and the fact that his bills had been paid, he couldn't let go of the fact that he no longer maintained control over his own income.  He questioned where the money was going.  I should not have to show the budget to a "slave".  I do not spend the day on ebay buying trinkets, nor do I even watch the home shopping shows.   I am very prudent with money.  When I told him this was not renegotiable, he asked for release, which I gladly granted. 
So who was stuck with the lease, lost the option money, had the larger utility bills, etc?  Me!   
If I was independently wealthy, already had a lovely home and lots of room for slaves, I suppose it wouldn't matter as much.  But when I make arrangements to alter My life to accomodate a lifestyle I prefer (and I do not mean living high off the hog...I mean M/s), then it is time to crunch the numbers and figure out what will work the best for all considered.  And as the Dominant, it is up to Me to determine what those numbers need to crunch at, and how that combined incomes may impact our day to day lifestyle. 
Frankly, I will not consider anyone who is still in school.  So that answers that question right there.  I am all for education, but if you are still in that stage of life, then you are not the slave for Me.   By the same token, I very well might, and have considered in the past, if the budget allows, that I would send a slave to classes to learn certain things that will educate him or her further as to providing certain services.  It might be massage therapy, or workshops to learn certain other skills such as cooking, manicures, pedicures, aromatherpay, reflexology.  Or perhaps there is some continuing education that will increase the slave's knowledge and provide for better opportunities in his/her current workplace/job.  These are all My decisions.   Get to know your Dominant.  It is your responsiiblity to figure out if the One you are considering is one that is in sync with your personal needs (needs, not wants) and you are on the same moral ground in other areas.  If you don't trust, you cannot let go of the personal authority/autonomy and allow the relationship to fourish in the manner intended.
I consider that money = power = automony.  I make the decisions regarding all financial matters.  Some will be put aside for the slave, but s/he no longer has the authority to make decisions regarding going shopping and choosing their favorite expensive cologne or their preferred toothpaste or their designer haircut and Italian leather shoes.  Yes, these are all things I have personally experienced in the ongoing power struggles that occur even in the beginning of potential relationships.  These are all things I look for, quite frankly.    If one continues to have that sort of freedom, then how does that make one a slave, in every sense of the word? 
Forgive Me that I have no patience for the "pay my share of the bills" scenario.  That gives Me a roomate with benefits.  Not a slave.
For those who prefer a more loosely base D/s or M/s style of relationship, it may work for you, and that is fine.  But for Me...I am a purist...I take it all the way.  If that is not your cup of tea, then neither am I.  I can only be honest, in My profile and in My correspondence.  I do not need the many who want to slide into My life and lower their personal living expenses while enjoying the weekly (or however often) <insert your favorite BDSM activity here>.  I do not look at how much one is earning or has in income to make a decision, but what financial obligations come with that, and how that impacts My ability to provide the appropriate living conditions does. 
Here are My questions to the OP.  Are you trying to slide into their already exisiting household without being able to really pay anything towards living expenses?  If you are on disability and you are also in school, how much of your income goes to paying for school?  How much time do you need for school and homework, study groups, special projects, etc?  What other bills come with you?  Credit cards?  Car Payment?  Car Insurance?  How much time do you have left over for actual service in the household?  It may seem dispassionate and cold, but these are all things that need to be considered when making such an important decision.  It can't all be love and flowers.  I am , perhaps unfortunately, a very practical person. 
BTW, I am aware that if you are on SSDI, you can have a job that supplements that income.  Under the table, or not, you are permitted to earn up to approximately $25,000 per year without any penalty to your benefit.  Under the table, as far as I am concerned, only avoids the auto deduction of income taxes, which can increase your net additional income for less hours worked.  I have no love of the IRS and /or our huge and wasteful government, so I would not immediately jump all over someone for working "under the table"  But then  I consider income tax to be illegal anyway. *W*  That said, "working under the table" is not something I would encourage or request or demand, but it is not a huge moral problem for Me either. 
These questions to the OP are somewhat rhetorical and I do not expect private matters to be revealed on a public message board.  But they might provide a little food for thought. 
Do we really know the whole situation here, folks?
 
**Edited for My usual dyslexic typos, but I might have missed some!


 

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RE: just a q thats been bothering me... - 9/20/2007 1:29:55 PM   
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I, too, think that it's not at all too much to ask.  I would require it, personally, and  from the opposite direction of being a dominant I hold myself to that standard.

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RE: just a q thats been bothering me... - 9/20/2007 3:05:43 PM   
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No, it's not too much to ask that they be finacially stable... but then, you have to be willing to be asked the same question, don't you?

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