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Termyn8or -> RE: the stupid what kind of scene person are you post (9/14/2007 12:04:22 AM)
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It is later. It is 1:41 A.M. here and everyone has left.
In a utopian society morality would be absolute. The rules are simply explained thusly :
1. I do not lie because I want my words to be believed. Another reason is that it would imply that I had a reason to lie, that is someone to answer to. If I intended not to comply with something, it would be known. I won't say I will and then don't, I will simply say I won't.
2. I do not steal because I want to be trusted, and that gets me around trustable people, those I do not have to worry about betraying me or ripping me off.
Now we have a politicians basically lying to his constituents, not to us. Oh yes, this is heavy. If only he weren't active in trying to shut clubs down and all that. If only he could respect our rights in office. If only he could see how many shootings happen at kink clubs rather than chain bars. Or other bars, as well as the old hole in the wall neighborhood bars, which can be a negative thing at times. But then sodomy ? Why rehash that shit that never should've been there in the first place.
I don't like sodomy, I think it is terrible, and I am very proactive against it, know what I do ? I DO NOT DO IT. That is all I have to do. You do what you want.
If all the facts in the OP are accurate, this politico needs ousted. What exactly to do is troubling. We do know right from wrong, but then there are other factors.
Morality is absolute ? Poppycock. We excuse ourselves for putting people in jail and prison every dat, and we know that some of them are innocent or at least victimless. There are guys who get out of prison for tax evasion and then get put right into jail for not paying child support, when of course they couldn't, being in prison. Then other guys are out and about and refuse to pay the support for even three kids at $1,000 a month, because he doesn't like her, and they never get jammed up over it.
But we excuse things in the name of justice, like putting people in cages, and we even excuse ourselves for doing it wrongly. We excuse ourselves for alot of things, but it is the government doing it not us. We excuse them. And then they try to drum it into our heads that we should never take the law into our own hands. Bunch of shit, especially after the supreme court decision that says the have absolutely no obligation to protect you.
Then they want all the guns, so we are defenseless. Yet they keep theirs. And not only do we excuse the occasional justice that they do, we excuse them for all this other shit too, so how the hell does it make sense that we are not allowed to solve our own problems ? They must solve ALL our problems, no exceptions ? How long will it be before there is a government handbook on how to wipe your ass ? (actually,,,,,,never mind)
People who want to take rights from others which they wish to retain for themselves are not worth the air they breathe.
But now I will consider you the rising Abel ot my setting Cain. Many many have advised against anything even resembling blackmail or exposure, and I must consider that. If I want others to consider my opinions I must consider theirs'.
So, backing the train up a bit, what are the options ? Well I see two. One, if this guy gets tied up, and doesn't know you know, you could play it into a scene. "Herr _______ ve vould like to talk to you about zis yes ?".
Or you could sit at a table or something "I don't get it, you got this" (toss document on table) "yet you come here, what gives ?".
The owner of the club could crumple up his check and throw it up against something, burn it and then say that it bounced, but is fighting fire with gasoline. That line is alot farther away, besides, alot of people use credit cards today. Never mess with that.
Here's an idea. (I knew I would come up with one) Just protest against that politico right in front of the club. Let someone else snap a picture of him coming out of the place. When he denies it, well, if you bring the pictures out you wil not be a member anymore. That is a personal sacrifice. There could also be some risk, this is not to be taken lightly, but moral issues will keep many from doing anything drastic. Of course there are always those leaks.
I don't even want to think like this, doing anything, anything. Something has crossed my mind. Perhaps in whatever caspacity this person "serves" they know that this will never ever pass, and they just run a show for some of their constituents. Though not respectable, it is way better than what was insinuated by the OP. (I do not mean to insult, but the way it was put it does seem this person is a hypocrite of the worst kind) I now realize, for one, that the OP might not have meant that and even if so, what was their perceptual accuity like at the time ?
A few things are obvious, and they detract from my original theory. But in fairness I must mention them. First we have the fact that the club was not shut down and operates. (I hope) Then we have the fact that many of these clubs' owners are usually aroud during hours of operation. They know who everybody is who comes in there. This person is still allowed in there.
"Fire at will" was premature. With what I stated above I am glad that nothing happened as of yet. We need to know more.
However, I am very fierce when it comes to rights.
Notice that I got a bit peeved and talked some shit, but did not go out and do it. I mean even if I could I would not just go out and do something just like that.
Anyway, if the person is a real asshole in the sense of abusing their power, it is still fire away. I just have doubts.
T
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