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Judge strikes down part of Patriot Act - 9/6/2007 11:18:34 AM   
stef


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Status: offline 		By LARRY NEUMEISTER, Associated Press Writer

NEW YORK - A federal judge struck down parts of the revised USA Patriot Act on Thursday, saying investigators must have a court's approval before they can order Internet providers to turn over records without telling customers.

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RE: Judge strikes down part of Patriot Act - 9/6/2007 11:20:18 AM   
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RE: Judge strikes down part of Patriot Act - 9/6/2007 11:34:20 AM   
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RE: Judge strikes down part of Patriot Act - 9/6/2007 11:48:52 AM   
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RE: Judge strikes down part of Patriot Act - 9/6/2007 12:37:47 PM   
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RE: Judge strikes down part of Patriot Act - 9/6/2007 12:40:39 PM   
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RE: Judge strikes down part of Patriot Act - 9/6/2007 12:51:03 PM   
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RE: Judge strikes down part of Patriot Act - 9/6/2007 12:54:19 PM   
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RE: Judge strikes down part of Patriot Act - 9/6/2007 1:00:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

one can hope that this is only round one.

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Actually it is already round two.  IIRC, the part about the FBI ordering people to remain silent about handing over the records of others without a court review, was struck down once before, and put back in the 'revised' Act by Congress.

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RE: Judge strikes down part of Patriot Act - 9/6/2007 1:01:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Durus

Wow a judge that may have actually read the constitution...who woulda thunk it.


A judge cannot do anything until it is presented to him in court.

What you meant to say was that somebody finally has the balls to sue the government.

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RE: Judge strikes down part of Patriot Act - 9/6/2007 2:34:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Without regard to the legal technicalities of the decision if and /or when a dirty bomb goes off in your backyard I bet you lot of "droopy drawed" liberals will be the first to blame "someone" for not protecting you !

Assuming you survive that is !!!!!

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RE: Judge strikes down part of Patriot Act - 9/6/2007 2:46:40 PM   
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RE: Judge strikes down part of Patriot Act - 9/6/2007 2:51:05 PM   
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That's the real quote.

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RE: Judge strikes down part of Patriot Act - 9/6/2007 2:51:54 PM   
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The correction makes a BIG difference, with the emphasis on "essential" NO ?

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RE: Judge strikes down part of Patriot Act - 9/6/2007 2:56:17 PM   
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Wow a judge that may have actually read the constitution...who woulda thunk it.


-more like a judge who's ruling in favor of 'big bussiness', internet service providers, just happened to stumble across a decision which benifitted the constitution and citizens by coincidence. 

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RE: Judge strikes down part of Patriot Act - 9/6/2007 3:02:55 PM   
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Without regard to the legal technicalities of the decision if and /or when a dirty bomb goes off in your backyard I bet you lot of "droopy drawed" liberals will be the first to blame "someone" for not protecting you !

Assuming you survive that is !!!!!


personally, I WOULD tend to blame a government that can't even follow the 'legal technicalities' of the laws they wrote for incompetence and generally not having their shit together enough to do much good on the security front.

and the 'if' as in dirty bomb going off over our soil is a pretty big and unsupported 'if'....

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RE: Judge strikes down part of Patriot Act - 9/6/2007 3:07:50 PM   
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A little book learnin' can be very limiting when a dedicated terrorist comes knocking on your door.

The correction makes a BIG difference, with the emphasis on "essential" NO ?


No, the emphasis is on 'Liberty', with a capital L and no plural, as being essential. But hey, thanks for trying to deceive... again.

And you've obviously got zero understanding of anti-terrorism if you poo-poo training.

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RE: Judge strikes down part of Patriot Act - 9/6/2007 3:15:04 PM   
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RE: Judge strikes down part of Patriot Act - 9/6/2007 3:19:00 PM   
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RE: Judge strikes down part of Patriot Act - 9/6/2007 3:24:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		They still have to turn the records over. Now, they're allowed to tell us that our liberties are being violated. It's kind of like being given a shit sandwich with our choice of bread.
 
 
 
 
 
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