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Does your kink influence your activism/politics? - 8/21/2007 8:20:23 PM

fungasm

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I've been reading about the hell that the folks at The Enclave (http://enclavewest.com/) have gone through. You can read about it here (http://www.westword.com/2007-06-07/news/kink-in-the-system/). It makes me wonder though, and very carefully think about my causes.

Civil Liberties have become very important to me.

I'm curious for others- does your kink influence your activism? Your politics?

Alison

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RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? - 8/21/2007 8:27:18 PM

sublimelysensual

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Good question. I've always been fairly liberal, so I don't know that it's influenced my views so much as made me more aware of things I didn't think about before I got involved. Civil liberties have pretty much always been something I was aware of, I do vote and make my opinions known that way. As far as activism, most of my time/donations go to one place, simply because it's a cause that my um is affected by on a daily basis....

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RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? - 8/21/2007 8:52:38 PM

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If people saw the petitions I sign and what I protest, you might not ever point me out as being in M/s or bdsm. I have signed over 100 petitions in the last year ranging from everything from revoking Roe vs Wade to cloning to prosecuting those who engage in 'fake underage' with adults [aka age play in a sence] to more stringent domestic violence laws and tougher sentences and laws regarding drugs, DUI and drinking. It may not be copasetic with most around here, but it is with who I am.

Being open-minded and 'adventurious' as a few friends have put it, doesn't mean that I check my ethics and beliefs at the door. If anything, this lifestyle hsa made me more proactive in things and made me work HARDER to get laws changed and to change society.

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RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? - 8/21/2007 8:57:40 PM

badkittyamy

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for me it has no connection I'm not American and so politics here have little interest to me, back home it seems all the parties are the same so I've never voted. I NEVER get involved in activism because i feel for the most part they are too extremist take Animal rights activists vs animal welfare. i'm for welfare against ARA they're freaking nuts.

I have to be undercover about my relationship in any case because my parents don't know I'm bi and I'm keeping it that way and my Lady is married to the military so we can't be open in public around her home or on post because he could get in trouble for it.

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RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? - 8/21/2007 9:11:02 PM

LATEXBABY64

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quote:

ORIGINAL: slaverosebeauty

If people saw the petitions I sign and what I protest, you might not ever point me out as being in M/s or bdsm. I have signed over 100 petitions in the last year ranging from everything from revoking Roe vs Wade to cloning to prosecuting those who engage in 'fake underage' with adults [aka age play in a sence] to more stringent domestic violence laws and tougher sentences and laws regarding drugs, DUI and drinking. It may not be copasetic with most around here, but it is with who I am.

Being open-minded and 'adventurious' as a few friends have put it, doesn't mean that I check my ethics and beliefs at the door. If anything, this lifestyle hsa made me more proactive in things and made me work HARDER to get laws changed and to change society.

wow i never knew they prosecuted for pretending to be underage with your dom or domme well all those daddy girl types or babydolls better look out geeze

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RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? - 8/21/2007 9:18:00 PM

MasterMataeo

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allison ,,

yep it sure does,,
comes down to Celibrating Diversity ,,,
if the politicians can't accept the ppl in thier area ,, then they have no reason to be in office,,
well thats how i see it anyway
hope to see ya at the Enclave some night
or at one of the gatherings in the Springs

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RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? - 8/21/2007 9:38:03 PM

Hisbellaluna

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if we're gonna be persecuted for pretending i think we're all screwed...

i try not to discuss politics...on almost everything i am conservative...the one exception being gay rights and marriage laws...but i believe marriage is a relgious practice not a legal one, so it should be taken entirely out of state hands...but thats just me...

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RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? - 8/21/2007 9:42:37 PM

ChainsandFreedom

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Personally I quite like how diverse a range of political veiws this site can conjure up.
Conservative, Liberal, poltical but beyond parties, all political groups tend to think they have a monopoly on representing freedom of choice and individualism.

I don't think this lifestyle has affected my own political outlook, though I have noticed in a short time on this site what I think to be a lax attitude for what prostitution is and its implications as well as a hard line against drugs/alchohol when compaired to my percieved national averages. Amoungst realtime friends in the scene, I wouldnt know as I tend to bond best with people of similar views anyways.

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RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? - 8/21/2007 10:30:14 PM

LATEXBABY64

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hisbellaluna

if we're gonna be persecuted for pretending i think we're all screwed...

i try not to discuss politics...on almost everything i am conservative...the one exception being gay rights and marriage laws...but i believe marriage is a relgious practice not a legal one, so it should be taken entirely out of state hands...but thats just me...

that is very good point about marriage i wonder if they will start proscuteing for being a sub or dom lol

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RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? - 8/21/2007 11:16:03 PM

slavegirljoy

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Does my kink influence my politics? Everything i care about influences my politics. i have been an active participant in our political process since i was a kid growing up in the 60's. i am especially concerned about our the continued erosion of our civil liberties and the infringement of government on our sexual freedoms, which i wrote at length about on another thread, http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=1220958.

i sincerely hope that everyone, who cares about being free, will do their own research and get involved (not just talk or complain about it) in the movement to decriminalize all sexual activities between consenting adults, including sex-for-hire, commonly called Prostitution.

Thank you, Alison, for posting this link. It's important that we all keep informed about what how our government is chipping away at our civil rights.

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Liberty exists only among reasoning people who are tolerant of human diversity. Tyranny thrives on intolerance.

Bernard Shaw said that, “Liberty requires responsibility. That is why most men dread it.”

True freedom means freedom for everybody; that sometimes, it means you’ll be offended; and that it even means other people might make mistakes and that you’ll have to let them.

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ORIGINAL: fungasm

I've been reading about the hell that the folks at The Enclave (http://enclavewest.com/) have gone through. You can read about it here (http://www.westword.com/2007-06-07/news/kink-in-the-system/). It makes me wonder though, and very carefully think about my causes.

Civil Liberties have become very important to me.

I'm curious for others- does your kink influence your activism? Your politics?

Alison

< Message edited by slavegirljoy -- 8/21/2007 11:57:56 PM >

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RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? - 8/21/2007 11:43:05 PM

Viridana

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I've been a hardcore left wing since before I came out the kink closet. So I doubt I could say that it influences my political beliefs. However, if for some reason the political party I usually vote for would somehow start to actively lobby against kink and kinksters specifically to any considerable extent, I would reconsider where to put my tick on the next election ballot.

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RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? - 8/21/2007 11:49:19 PM

LATEXBABY64

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i am what they all a conservitive pervitive i have morals and values and as long as your rights do not infringe on my rights we will get along just fine :)

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RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? - 8/22/2007 1:35:39 AM

ClubMix

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quote:

ORIGINAL: slavegirljoy

Does my kink influence my politics? Everything i care about influences my politics. i have been an active participant in our political process since i was a kid growing up in the 60's. i am especially concerned about our the continued erosion of our civil liberties and the infringement of government on our sexual freedoms, which i wrote at length about on another thread, http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=1220958.

i sincerely hope that everyone, who cares about being free, will do their own research and get involved (not just talk or complain about it) in the movement to decriminalize all sexual activities between consenting adults, including sex-for-hire, commonly called Prostitution.

Thank you, Alison, for posting this link. It's important that we all keep informed about what how our government is chipping away at our civil rights.

slave joy
Owned property of Master David

"Commitment transforms a promise into a reality."

Liberty exists only among reasoning people who are tolerant of human diversity. Tyranny thrives on intolerance.

Bernard Shaw said that, “Liberty requires responsibility. That is why most men dread it.”

True freedom means freedom for everybody; that sometimes, it means you’ll be offended; and that it even means other people might make mistakes and that you’ll have to let them.

quote:

ORIGINAL: fungasm

I've been reading about the hell that the folks at The Enclave (http://enclavewest.com/) have gone through. You can read about it here (http://www.westword.com/2007-06-07/news/kink-in-the-system/). It makes me wonder though, and very carefully think about my causes.

Civil Liberties have become very important to me.

I'm curious for others- does your kink influence your activism? Your politics?

Alison

:) /Agree.

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RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? - 8/22/2007 1:46:40 AM

ClubMix

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64

i am what they all a conservitive pervitive i have morals and values and as long as your rights do not infringe on my rights we will get along just fine :)

I`m not conservative at all, but that`s one point I can agree with you on.
It never ceases to amaze me how many people are content to thrive under the protection of their "freedom" while trying to suffocate and destroy that same right for those around them. Just seems like people need to quit being to concerned with "saving people from themselves" and just mind their own business.

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RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? - 8/22/2007 4:37:43 AM

Rover

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I wrote an article that touched upon this very topic prior to the 2006 election season. The pertinent section is reprinted (with my permission) here:

" I don’t care what your political affiliation is, playing upon your prejudices really has little to do with the facts. And the facts are that we are not a sympathetic constituency to any political party. We’re equally offensive to the both the left and the right, conservative and liberal, moral majority (which is neither moral nor a majority) and the National Organization for Women, (yes, I know that their “official” position on BDSM is one of neutrality… the US “official” position in WWII pre-December 7th was also one of neutrality… so what?), Republican and Democrat. One side thinks we’re all sinners that are doomed to eternal damnation, and to the other that we’re misogynists, abusers and victims in need of mental health treatment and long prison sentences.

No one wants our vote. No one champions our cause. No one will introduce legislation to protect the rights of masochists and sadists. We’re anathema to their current (powerful) constituents and platforms. It would be political suicide for either party to cozy up to us.

And it would be just as suicidal to delude ourselves into thinking that our “struggle” has any political component whatsoever. Stick your head out of the foxhole in support of a political party or candidate, with the expectation that they’ll support our issues, and see how quickly they stumble over themselves to be the first to shoot it off. It’s dangerous enough that there are wolves in sheep’s clothing, so why would we presume to be complicit in helping the wolves into cute little lamb outfits?

It is indeed a “dangerous dream” to believe that we can generate societal “acceptance”, or construct legal protection, through the public political process. Vote your heart. Vote your conscience. Vote your principles. BDSM isn't on the ballot."

For those that might want to read the entire article, it can be found at:

http://www.thedomsview.com/Vol7/I6/feature1.htm

John

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RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? - 8/22/2007 6:01:38 AM

thetammyjo

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quote:

ORIGINAL: sublimelysensual

Good question. I've always been fairly liberal, so I don't know that it's influenced my views so much as made me more aware of things I didn't think about before I got involved. Civil liberties have pretty much always been something I was aware of, I do vote and make my opinions known that way. As far as activism, most of my time/donations go to one place, simply because it's a cause that my um is affected by on a daily basis....

-a

Similar to me though I tend to be more radical about some things (civil rights and responsibilities for example). When I support a candidate I always look at their record on sexuality issues and private adult relationships. Someone who routinely votes to interfere with or limit consensual adult relationships or freedom of speech is someone I do not support financially or time-wise.

Sadly sometimes we don't have ideal candidates at the big elections but I support the more liberal and progressive candidates for as long as they are in the race -- this includes money but also putting up signs and one of us usually volunteers to work the polls on election day (depends on the job responsibilities we each have).

It's a rule in my household that if you are part of it and you can legally vote you will vote in every single election that comes up -- and you will be given information about candidates and we will discuss things as a family though you will not be told how to vote or who to donate money to (if you donate at all).

However we do use political philosophy and party as one of the means by which we evaluate potential members.

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RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? - 8/22/2007 6:03:17 AM

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no.

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RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? - 8/22/2007 6:15:41 AM

Aileen68

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quote:

ORIGINAL: slaverosebeauty

If people saw the petitions I sign and what I protest, you might not ever point me out as being in M/s or bdsm. I have signed over 100 petitions in the last year ranging from everything from revoking Roe vs Wade to cloning to prosecuting those who engage in 'fake underage' with adults [aka age play in a sence] to more stringent domestic violence laws and tougher sentences and laws regarding drugs, DUI and drinking. It may not be copasetic with most around here, but it is with who I am.

Being open-minded and 'adventurious' as a few friends have put it, doesn't mean that I check my ethics and beliefs at the door. If anything, this lifestyle hsa made me more proactive in things and made me work HARDER to get laws changed and to change society.

You really should stay out of consenting adults' relationships.

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RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? - 8/22/2007 6:16:09 AM

Hisbellaluna

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when i support a canidate, i look at things that i can't keep behind bedroom doors like troop support and national security and little things like that...

edited to add: while keeping our basic rights...while i am not in favor of the latest tactics of bill of rights? whats that?...i do think we should have some semblance of hey, you, you want a whole bunch of us to die... get the fuck out...

< Message edited by Hisbellaluna -- 8/22/2007 6:18:20 AM >

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RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? - 8/22/2007 6:20:42 AM

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I've always been way left of center, but over the past couple years I've moved in the direction of left libertarian or populist/anarchist ideas that emphaisize a mimimalist approach to 'the state' and its ability to meddle in the affairs of the people and away from the progressive left that, historically, has encouraged an expansionist state. I'm less of a feminist than I used to be and less of a socialist. Again, for me it revolves around the role of the state in regulating the lives of the people.

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