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Involvement - 8/21/2007 10:20:35 AM   
satyrsnymph28


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My personal code of conduct when it comes to relationships... is that I only involve myself with one potential partner at a time.  I think I mentioned this in another thred somewhere, but I wanted to talk about it specifically. 

Here's how I work.  I send one message to one person who sparks my interest... I most always get a reply of some kind... Until that vanishes... in whatever manner... I'm only talking to that person.

I'm not out here to bait 20 men and then pick and choose.  I have higher standards than that... both for myself and for the men I speak with. 

So here's the problem.  Men don't work the same way.  They have 4 or 5 (or more) women who they're speaking with as prospective partners... and that makes sense, I suppose, because the odds are better for them that way..

But then isn't it his obligation to alert me to the fact that he's speaking with other women that he's interested in and wishes to potentially get involved with? Or maybe simply that I'm "one of many"?

I put a lot of thought and consideration into who I contact, and I think (judging by some of the mail I've gotten) that men just send a message to every good looking girl in the state they live in.  Most of them even fail to notice whether I'm dominant or submissive...

So, my questions are...

  • how many people out there only pursue one potential partner at a time?
  • Is it my obligation to ask if he's involving himself with anyone else?
  • or should he offer that information? 
  • Is it weird of me to not want to play with (or chat long term with) someone who is playing and chatting with multiple people?
  • Do you think that most men don't inform others about their multiple potential partners because they are trying to decieve, or because they know their chances are better with each individual woman if they don't mention the others?
I feel like if that isn't information thats provided up front, then its like starting out with a lie...


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RE: Involvement - 8/21/2007 10:42:51 AM   
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quote:

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So here's the problem.  Men don't work the same way.  They have 4 or 5 (or more) women who they're speaking with as prospective partners... and that makes sense, I suppose, because the odds are better for them that way..

Well you're assumption is false- many men do NOT work that way, and many women DO. 
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But then isn't it his obligation to alert me to the fact that he's speaking with other women that he's interested in and wishes to potentially get involved with? Or maybe simply that I'm "one of many"?

Until it becomes a case of you two become serious with eachother, I don't think anyone is under an obligation to tell the other person anything.  If it matters to you, you can ask, but it would be rude to expect anything more than "I am talking and involved with others."
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I put a lot of thought and consideration into who I contact, and I think (judging by some of the mail I've gotten) that men just send a message to every good looking girl in the state they live in.  Most of them even fail to notice whether I'm dominant or submissive...

Well it's good that they make it so easy to put into the "not interested" pile.

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how many people out there only pursue one potential partner at a time?

Many, but not me.
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Is it my obligation to ask if he's involving himself with anyone else?

If you want to know, yes.  Until you start to have the "let's make this relationship serious" discussion, then it should come out on all sides.
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Is it weird of me to not want to play with (or chat long term with) someone who is playing and chatting with multiple people?

No, as long as you know those are your requirements and don't mean anything about people who don't meet them.
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Do you think that most men don't inform others about their multiple potential partners because they are trying to decieve, or because they know their chances are better with each individual woman if they don't mention the others?

I think many men AND women choose not to disclose because they want to play the field and not get caught.  But almost as often, they are simply enjoying dating right now and don't want to "kiss and tell."
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I feel like if that isn't information thats provided up front, then its like starting out with a lie...

That's fine.  Feel free to ask someone right away.  If they decline, then you know you aren't a good match.

But that doesn't mean they are lying, or rude or anything other than doing what they want to do- as are you.

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RE: Involvement - 8/21/2007 10:49:12 AM   
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I tend to send emails to people who interest me- maybe five, six in the same day sometimes. If something in their profile (or journal- it's usually the journal) says to me "Write this person" I will. If I get a reply, which to be fair I usually do, then I'll talk with them through email (or IM, if they're more comfortable) for a little while. Yes, sometimes this is more than one person at a time. Do I tell everyone "Just so you know, you're not the only person I'm talking to"? No. But most of the time they ask, sometime within the first three days, and I'm always honest. Sometimes it's a problem for them, and that's fine- I can respect that. The only time I find it annoying is when they "demand" you talk only to them.

It's not that I'm leading anyone on, or trying to deceive anyone. I don't even think my chances would be better if they thought I wasn't talking to anyone else. It's just that I realize the chances of "clicking" with any one person are pretty small, so I don't see the harm in talking with more than one person. I don't mention it out front because frankly, I assume they're talking to more than one guy, and because I figure if they want to know, they'll ask.

With all that said, I'm also pretty upfront about letting people know when I don't think things will go any further. Not in a mean way, but it's safe to say people always know where they stand with me. And when things seem to be clicking with one person, I let others know. I did that recently, actually, because I want to see where things go with someone. I'll leave the door open for friendship, if they're interested, though.

I don't think it's a lie not to tell anyone you're talking to other people, as long as you haven't said you aren't.


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RE: Involvement - 8/21/2007 10:54:31 AM   
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If I offer up my position of only talking to one person at a time and voicing that I prefer to speak with others of the same mentality and  they don't then say that I'm not the only person they're talking to..

at that point is it lying?



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RE: Involvement - 8/21/2007 10:58:13 AM   
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  • how many people out there only pursue one potential partner at a time?
    was emailing with a couple that was no more than friends or mentors but not potential partners at the time.....

  • Is it my obligation to ask if he's involving himself with anyone else?
    would have to think since your profile states you are a switch, this would be counting on if you were going to be their top or bottom....their top...yes .....their bottom....no


  • or should he offer that information? 
    in the beginning....why, they do not know you or promised anything in the beginning

  • Is it weird of me to not want to play with (or chat long term with) someone who is playing and chatting with multiple people?
    No.....this is your choice but it could limit you in the long run to think if someone is talking to others beyond yourself and you decide not continue on what relationships you have in the future. Do words make you stand out beyond any other?

  • Do you think that most men don't inform others about their multiple potential partners because they are trying to decieve, or because they know their chances are better with each individual woman if they don't mention the others?
    Females do the same thing so this is not limited to a Male thing...
    maybe the relationship is on different levels than others.....it takes a long time to sometimes see the truth in others with this online media....



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    RE: Involvement - 8/21/2007 11:23:16 AM   
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    quote:

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    • how many people out there only pursue one potential partner at a time?



    Well, I'm one of the people who puts the fact that I'm not into monogamy, right on my profile. Up-front, out there, however you want to term it. However, I am not "searching for a submissive". I will chat/e-mail/speak with anyone (The last e-mail I answered was from a man who wishes to find out about the local scene because he just moved here) and if something develops, that's great but, I state, quite clearly, that I will never be able to "limit myself". I'd rather be tagged an honest "womanizer" than a liar.

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    ORIGINAL: satyrsnymph28
    • Is it my obligation to ask if he's involving himself with anyone else?

    • or should he offer that information? 




    Having just said that about my profile, this is not info that I feel a need to just "blurt out". On those rare occasions, when a young lady expresses interest in me, via e-mail, I respond by asking her if she has read ALL of my profile. If she wants more information, after that, it behoves her to ask me, directly.


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    ORIGINAL: satyrsnymph28
    • Is it weird of me to not want to play with (or chat long term with) someone who is playing and chatting with multiple people?



    It's not "weird". It's called preference. In my opinion, you are being a bit too possessive and, maybe even a touch insecure. Why shouldn't you talk to a guy like this and if you and he are better suited than any of the other ladies he's talking to, you'll be ahead of the game. Assuming that this guy is "monogamous", if you continue to communicate with him and you form bonds, his time spent with others will wane and he will spend more time focussed on you.

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    ORIGINAL: satyrsnymph28
    • Do you think that most men don't inform others about their multiple potential partners because they are trying to decieve, or because they know their chances are better with each individual woman if they don't mention the others?



    One of the reasons I don't necessarily do it is because, if I'm speaking with you and "Satyrsslut" (I HAD to make another joke), she might not want me "putting her name out there" as you probably wouldn't enjoy that, either. Could names be left out? Of course and that's acceptible but, the questions will follow: "What's her screen name?" "Where is she from?" "Is she prettier than me?" "Does she have bigger boobs than me?" Etc. I won't deal with that. You deserve to know that I'm talking to others and you deserve to know if there's one who "may become special" but that's really about it.

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    ORIGINAL: satyrsnymph28

    I feel like if that isn't information thats provided up front, then its like starting out with a lie...

     

    I agree with you, within the parameters I have discussed. Certainly, you want to know if there are others this guy is interested in but, I will caution you, again: Don't let a little jealousy/possessiveness/insecurity push you away from someone that might be really great for you.
     
     
     
     
     
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    RE: Involvement - 8/21/2007 11:23:34 AM   
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    If I offer up my position of only talking to one person at a time and voicing that I prefer to speak with others of the same mentality and  they don't then say that I'm not the only person they're talking to..

    at that point is it lying?

    No.  That's them listening and accepting what you want and prefer and you being leading and coy.

    IF you want to know, ASK.  Stop trying to make it "their problem."  This is YOUR requirement.

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    RE: Involvement - 8/21/2007 11:31:37 AM   
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    quote:

    how many people out there only pursue one potential partner at a time?

    If all I am doing is talking online with someone; it's my perogative to talk to as many as I wish.
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  • Is it my obligation to ask if he's involving himself with anyone else?



  • Yes, it is. Since it matters to YOU, it is your responsibility to ASK if he/she is talking with others.
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    or should he offer that information?  

    already answered
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      Is it weird of me to not want to play with (or chat long term with) someone who is playing and chatting with multiple people?

    No. As long as you state upfront that you perfer otherwise.
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      Do you think that most men don't inform others about their multiple potential partners because they are trying to decieve, or because they know their chances are better with each individual woman if they don't mention the others?

    Neither

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      I feel like if that isn't information thats provided up front, then its like starting out with a lie...

    If YOU are not making your expectations CLEAR, then you are just as responsible for lying as the person that you are talking to.

    best of wishes

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    RE: Involvement - 8/21/2007 11:32:34 AM   
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    LA I agree on all that you have said. Well put.

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    RE: Involvement - 8/21/2007 12:06:54 PM   
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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
    No.  That's them listening and accepting what you want and prefer and you being leading and coy.

    IF you want to know, ASK.  Stop trying to make it "their problem."  This is YOUR requirement.


    Couldn't have said it better myself.


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    RE: Involvement - 8/21/2007 12:48:55 PM   
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    * how many people out there only pursue one potential partner at a time?

    Not I, though I keep my list *very* short. I will talk to several at once but only seriously pursue one *maybe* two at a time.

    * Is it my obligation to ask if he's involving himself with anyone else?

    If you want to know, yes.

    * or should he offer that information?

    I am of two minds on this,

    On one hand, I think he is only obligated to offer that information if the relationship is progressing beyond the friendly stage and he hasn't put the other relationships on hold. You should know if the time you are spending could easily be for naught as someone else might get there first. If you do get rejected and find out it was because of someone else that he was talking to, you probably will justifiably feel used.

    On the other hand, offering such information could easily stress the growing relationship and place you in the position of feeling competitive with the others. This competitiveness could lead someone to behave in a manner unlike themselves, thus defeating the purpose of getting to know someone. Another likely outcome is that knowing the presence of others may cause you to give up.

    Either way someone loses.

    * Is it weird of me to not want to play with (or chat long term with) someone who is playing and chatting with multiple people?

    No, it is just a preference.

    * Do you think that most men don't inform others about their multiple potential partners because they are trying to decieve, or because they know their chances are better with each individual woman if they don't mention the others?

    Not sure I understand the question. The only reason someone lies (barring pathology) is for a gain (or to protect against a loss) of some sort. I think the question you are trying to ask is; is not offering this information a lie of omission? I think after a certain point, it is (unless it has been made apparent that he is into polyamory). This is due to the general assumption that relationships are monogamous. However, even at that point, he will still won't offer the information as he almost certainly loses if he does. Bottom line: don't expect others to perform self-sacrificing behaviors unasked.

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    RE: Involvement - 8/21/2007 1:06:17 PM   
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    If I was 'looking' - I wouldn't limit myself unless I was in a commited relationship.
     
    It's not your obligation - you simply ask if thats what you want to know.
     
    A question unanswerable.  If you are just chatting, what's the point?  If you are in a commited relationship - then he can still do as he wants.  No obligations.
     
    You do whatever feels right to you - no weird, no right, no wrong.
     
    Your last question - a bit like your entire post is sexist and genralisations.
    Women do the same thing - it isn;t just a male thang.
     
    But then, unless a relationship is commited, whats the problem in keeping the options open?  I guess there must be something of a low standard about it.  I'm fine with that if that is the case.  You just need to stick to your needs and wants and let others stick to theirs.
     
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    RE: Involvement - 8/21/2007 2:17:36 PM   
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    me too
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    LA I agree on all that you have said. Well put.


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    RE: Involvement - 8/21/2007 2:58:08 PM   
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    You are asking for opinions- so I give mine, and it differs from yours.  Until you actually meet, and you know that you both are all that you say you are, and that you wish to commit to one another, that anyting beyond messages answered politely and in a reasonable amount of time is too much to ask.

    It's not a gender construction- it's an internet construction.  That hottie he is talking to could be a 12 year old boy or a scammer from a small African nation.  Until evidence is presented that you both really are who you say you are and that you really do have as much in common as you think you do- than it's too early for curbing the exploring process...

    My two cents. You asked.

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    RE: Involvement - 8/21/2007 3:07:45 PM   
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    If it bothers you, is a requirement, or would change your involvement with someone then ask them.  You are free to ask anything you want.  Whether the person answers or not is up to them, but I think a non answer might tell you where you are willing to go with that particular person.  Is an omission a lie?  Maybe...I guess it would depend on the situation and the stated purpose. 

    I'm not sure I understand why it is a concern if they are just talking to or considering other people.  Talking is just an open dialog.  Maybe the other person came along first and would be bothered that you contacted someone they were considering.  If you do not wish to engage in activity with someone who has multiple partners - state it upfront and let them know it is not acceptable to you.  If they say they are involved with multiple partners then move on.  If not, have a conversation about making it exclusive.  You can always ask...you many not get...but, you can always ask.

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    RE: Involvement - 8/21/2007 3:11:40 PM   
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    Myself, I tend to browse around and if someone strikes my fancy, I'll send a personal (and often lengthy) email. But given the tendency for women to not reply if they aren't interested, I find it difficult and/or unproductive to limit my initial emails to just one person. Once I get a reponse however, I tend to focus on just one person and until either things fizzle or I establish there's enough compatibility to remove my profile (temporarily or otherwise).

    I've talked with multiple people at once before, either because I've been emailed out of the blue while talking with someone or I got multiple replies, but it doesn't happen often and it usually doesn't last very long.

    That said, I automatically assume that those I'm speaking with are speaking to other prospective dominants unless they tell me otherwise. And I try not to pressure them to do otherwise either.

    So to answer your questions:
    • how many people out there only pursue one potential partner at a time
    I can only speak for myself, and as I covered above, there are exceptions.
    • Is it my obligation to ask if he's involving himself with anyone else?
    It is your obligation to ask. I don't volunteer that information because I don't want someone to feel pressured to limit their own search the way I've chosen to do so.
    • Is it weird of me to not want to play with (or chat long term with) someone who is playing and chatting with multiple people?
    I don't think it's weird at all, but you should communicate that pretty clearly. Correction: I would consider it unusual to be a condition of initial communication, but long term, not at all.
    • Do you think that most men don't inform others about their multiple potential partners because they are trying to decieve, or because they know their chances are better with each individual woman if they don't mention the others?
    I think like most things it would be for a mix of reasons. Both reasons you gave are plausible but there are other options out there. Again, communicate... don't make assumptions, and don't expect someone to act a particular way because that's how you approach it.

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    RE: Involvement - 8/21/2007 9:08:57 PM   
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    But then isn't it his obligation to alert me to the fact that he's speaking with other women that he's interested in and wishes to potentially get involved with? Or maybe simply that I'm "one of many"?


    No. You have no RIGHT to presume that you are the ONLY person that a given person is talking too. You may choose to believe that, but its up to you. Until you both meet or decide to take things to another level, then you have no obligation to be 'exclusive' which is basically what you are asking for, exclusivity right from the start, thats not the most copasetic thing.

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    how many people out there only pursue one potential partner at a time?


    I didn't. I am in a relationship right now, and I am NOT persuing anything with any one else, I have no intention on doign so, despite the trollmails I get on occassion.
     
    When I was single and looking, yes, I spoke with several men at one time, why not? I had NO obligation to any of them [only to be honest], I was honest, if they asked if I was talking to other men, my response was, "I am here to find Prince Charming, or his brother. Whom I talk too is my business, not yours. Be respectfull and don't be nosey. When a man captures my attention, he will know it, an I will change my focus." Most guys took the hint as for that to mean, "its NOT your business as to whom I am talking too if anyone else."
     
    I was talking to 5 men at one point, met 2 and dated one of those men for a while. Things were casual, until thigns 'changed.' Yes, I did that with vanilla men AND lifestyle men, yet, with lifestyle men, I was a bit more cautious and would talk to xtz at one time and ONLY meet a man when I decided to put my focus on him.
     
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    Is it my obligation to ask if he's involving himself with anyone else? or should he offer that information? 


    Its NOT your business unless you decide to meet or to play, exclusively.

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    Is it weird of me to not want to play with (or chat long term with) someone who is playing and chatting with multiple people?


    Its who you are. You are that way for reasons that I do not know. I think you are you and I am me as others are who they are. We all conduct searches and relationships in our own ways, with the tools that WE have and with our pasts as a guide to how we do such things.
     
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    Do you think that most men don't inform others about their multiple potential partners because they are trying to decieve, or because they know their chances are better with each individual woman if they don't mention the others?


    Its like when I submit work to be published, I do NOT just send my stuff to one place, I send it out to a few or many; it depends on the response I want. If I want to increase my chances of getting published, then I submit my work to MANY publishers.
     
    Just like when I was looking, I spoke to different men at the same time, hoping to increase my chances of meeting someone; in my case, MJ was a close friend, so I never really needed to talk to other men, He was there all along. I'm glad that I DID talk to other men, I learned a LOT about those men as I was dating and talking to more than one at a time. I learned about who I was in the process.

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    RE: Involvement - 8/21/2007 9:15:46 PM   
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    My personal code of conduct when it comes to relationships... is that I only involve myself with one potential partner at a time.  I think I mentioned this in another thred somewhere, but I wanted to talk about it specifically. 

    Here's how I work.  I send one message to one person who sparks my interest... I most always get a reply of some kind... Until that vanishes... in whatever manner... I'm only talking to that person.

    I'm not out here to bait 20 men and then pick and choose.  I have higher standards than that... both for myself and for the men I speak with. 

    So here's the problem.  Men don't work the same way.  They have 4 or 5 (or more) women who they're speaking with as prospective partners... and that makes sense, I suppose, because the odds are better for them that way..

    But then isn't it his obligation to alert me to the fact that he's speaking with other women that he's interested in and wishes to potentially get involved with? Or maybe simply that I'm "one of many"?

    I put a lot of thought and consideration into who I contact, and I think (judging by some of the mail I've gotten) that men just send a message to every good looking girl in the state they live in.  Most of them even fail to notice whether I'm dominant or submissive...

    So, my questions are...
    • how many people out there only pursue one potential partner at a time?
    • Is it my obligation to ask if he's involving himself with anyone else?
    • or should he offer that information? 
    • Is it weird of me to not want to play with (or chat long term with) someone who is playing and chatting with multiple people?
    • Do you think that most men don't inform others about their multiple potential partners because they are trying to decieve, or because they know their chances are better with each individual woman if they don't mention the others?

    I feel like if that isn't information thats provided up front, then its like starting out with a lie...





    I like the fact she sets guidelines..we are all searching for something. in someone or ourselves the world is a place of discovery.. but until you do get to know a person you never really know a person which could take a lifetime the mind is the biggest computer in the world. yet we still know so little about it. stick to your guns

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    RE: Involvement - 8/21/2007 11:02:50 PM   
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    I'm not out here to bait 20 men and then pick and choose.  I have higher standards than that... both for myself and for the men I speak with.


    I've got to say, that this is a little kneejerk reaction inspiring. :) What do standards have to do with it? It's preference.

    Myself, I'm a social butterfly and a networker, I could be talking to any number of people during any particular time period; that doesn't mean that the quality of my interactions are any greater or less based on quantity. Then again, I'm also pretty adamant about not implicitly looking for anything or anyone in particular, so why should I limit myself as to who I interact with?

    As long as you are honest and up front about your intentions and expectations, baiting has nothing to do with anything. Of course, some men do very well to bait themselves, but to quote VNV "I'm saying nothing for the good of myself, but I'm still talking and you're not listening." As long as everyone is honest, everyone is free to make their own decisions - if they choose to disregard what's been put out in the open, well, that's just a crying shame, isn't it? Favorable or not, everyone has done their part.

    In my opinion, no one has any sort of obligation to anyone until they've come to a mutual understanding about it. Premature expectations are just a really good way to lead into disappointment as far as I'm concerned.

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    But then isn't it his obligation to alert me to the fact that he's speaking with other women that he's interested in and wishes to potentially get involved with? Or maybe simply that I'm "one of many"?


    Boundaries, sweetheart, boundaries. Different people have different preferences and different ideas about what is appropriate. I, personally, would find it rather odd if someone made it a point to tell me details about who all they're interacting with. Unless it's someone I'm seriously considering as a fairly serious partner and they might be turning their focus primarily to someone else, it's just not something that I would consider to be my concern.

    No one is obligated to a damn thing until it's been negotiated.

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    I think (judging by some of the mail I've gotten) that men just send a message to every good looking girl in the state they live in.  Most of them even fail to notice whether I'm dominant or submissive...


    Welcome to the interweb.

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    • how many people out there only pursue one potential partner at a time?


    Moot for me, because I have a tendancy to not actively pursue anything or anyone, I let the relationships I have form and progress as naturally as possible (ish, I admitedly am rather gunshy about romance). One at a time has never been my thing though, I suffer from the "ooooh shiny" effect, and love meeting new people.

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    • Is it my obligation to ask if he's involving himself with anyone else?
    You're the one that wants to know, so it's your responsibility to own that.
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    • or should he offer that information?

    Yes and no. If there's someone else that he might be seriously interested in or becoming involved with, it's a matter of courtesy even in a poly situation. I think open communication is important. On the other hand, I wouldn't expect anyone to disclose anything that you haven't specifically requested. Unless there's a comitment involved it's kind of "need to know" info. As in, you may or may not really need to know as far as they are concerned, so if it's important to you, you should be proactive. :)

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    Is it weird of me to not want to play with (or chat long term with) someone who is playing and chatting with multiple people?


    Not entirely. You come across as being a bit uncomfortable with sharing someone's attention even very early in the game, which smacks a little bit of insecurity to me. Your preferences are your preferences though, so more power to ya. Just be sure that you own your feelings and are proactive about asserting your desires, while still respecting that others may not feel the same and it's all gravy baby.


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    Do you think that most men don't inform others about their multiple potential partners because they are trying to decieve, or because they know their chances are better with each individual woman if they don't mention the others?


    Generalizations are bad mmmkay? It's nothing to do with gender, women do it too. How things are spun and colored varies a ton on context. Seriously, if Tom doesn't need to know that I'm also chatting it up with Dick and Harry, I'm not gonna throw it in his face. If he wants to know, or if I think it will effect him in a way that matters, then I'll bring up what needs to be said. Is it being deceptive? I don't think so, I think it's just a matter of my sense of boundaries, and not making things any more complicated than they need to be, when they need to be.

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    I feel like if that isn't information thats provided up front, then its like starting out with a lie...


    It's pretty unreasonable to project your sense of standards onto others. If it's important to you, thenyou are responsible for addressing it and making your preferences and desires clear.




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    RE: Involvement - 8/21/2007 11:17:39 PM   
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    This is a particularly challenging situation for me, because I am a Switch, and I can picture having a male submissive and a male Dominant partner at the same time (and my current male submissive interest has no problem with that. In fact, he suggested it).

    Problem is - I am kind of like you: I only deal really well with this situation, when I am getting to know one person at a time. It's basically an issue of time management for me. I am currently trying to sell my house, my father is in the hospital, and the rest of the time I am spending with family, other friends, and running the rest of my life, and conversing with the male submissive I am interested in (plus, I admit I might spend too much time on the CM message boards, hehe).

    But - that leaves me a very limited amount of time to actually seek out a male Dominant partner (I already have a male submssive I know I am interested in, and don't need or want more than one, right now, or maybe ever). When I decide I need a male Dominant - I will manage it, but it might be a slight challenge for me, just due to the amount of time I've got available fot pursuing that, and giving it the attention I believe it rightly deserves.

    **I have talked, at times, to more than one person, and e-mailed with more than one at once (but rarely phoned more than one at a time). But never, ever more than 2-4 at once, (who I am considering in any potential LTR kind of way) and usually not for longer that about 2 weeks (or less) - because by that time there is always one of them I am attracted to the most, and then I remain friends (or correspondence drops off) with the others.

    I also tend to know what kind of person I like - and although I am open-minded and friendly, I also know what I am not interested in, as far as the kind of person I am seeking (submisssive or Dominant). This helps a lot.

    **But - as far as "juggling" like 4 or5 (or more) people at a time - Geez, No. Not only do I think I'd probably be really bad at this (knowing me, I'd probably end up getting them mixed up, and address my e-mail with the wrong names, or something), I just have to wonder where some people find the time for that! 

    **Then again, like I said, this might be easier for me to do, since I know pretty much what kind of person I am seeking (but not super picky, I just know what I want and don't want). I may intitially seriously e-mail with anywhere from about 4-6 people, but that number dwindles to between 2-4 within about 3-6 e-mail exchanges. So, realisitcally, I am usually only dealing with 2-4 people, ever, at a time. And in 2-4 weeks, it's down to one person - the one I am most interested in.

    Of course I have friends I e-mail, and will get to know others - but that is different. They are people I consider truly just to be friends. There is chatting and e-mail, and possibly phone calls, (and locally maybe coffee, dinner,etc.) but no BDSM relationship committment talk (and little if any, innuendo, save an occasional scene with a local friend, and that has dwindled to zero these past 2 months).

    **As far as how to handle this situation - at the beginning of a relationship, I demand next to nothing from anyone - whether I am in "Domme mode" or Sub mode". I just come out and flat-out tell people if I am pursuing anyone else - and I definitely do feel free to ask them the same thing (after I've progressed to a stage with them when I actually feel it's a pertinent question (or they do, and want to discuss it). Usually within 2-4 weeks of a first e-mail, but it depends on the person and situation).

    **I don't feel an obligation to anyone (and refuse to be roped into one) - unless we've made plans to meet (or have met) and it's gone well - and of course only of I've talked with them on the phone extensively, for several weeks, and we know we are seeking the same terms and kind of relationship. At some point early on, I try to make that clear. If this doesn't suit them, then they need to find someone else, instead. 

    After that, I remain exclusive with that person. Except for having a male submissive and a male Dominant at the same time - I don't picture myself needing to be any more "Poly" than that (even though I do consider myself Poly). For one thing - who has the time!? It isn't me, that's for sure (but to each their own, of course). 

    I do have other friends here at CM,(and one locally, who is into BDSM with whom I am friendly) and maybe sometime this year, I will visit the ones who are in other states (we might even do a "scene" together, if either of us is interested) But - I'd consider that more of a friendly thing, never a romantic committment. And if a scene with a friend happens, it is a very, imtermittent and also pre-arranged type of thing (and how we feel about it, and how it could, or might, affect our other relationships has been discussed before-hand).

    But that's just me. Hope this helps.


    - Susan

    < Message edited by SusanofO -- 8/22/2007 12:17:37 AM >


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