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California overdue for major earthquake - 8/13/2007 2:54:20 PM

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Top Seismologist: Southern California Due For Major QuakeCoachella Valley Region is Long Overdue

August 10, 2007 - A top seismologist is warning that another major earthquake is in our future, a big one that could devastate Southern California, from the desert to the sea.

Lucy Jones, of the U.S. Geological Survey says it's not a question of where but when a big quake will strike the Coachella Valley, sandwiched between the San Andreas and San Jacinto faults.
Jones says that region is long overdue, and the seismic clock is ticking.
Jones says a magnitude 7.8 quake or more could collapse major freeways, knock down buildings in Downtown L.A., kill thousands of people and cause hundreds of billions of dollars in damage.

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=local&id=5559714

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RE: California overdue for major earthquake - 8/13/2007 3:07:51 PM

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Top Seismologist: Southern California Due For Major QuakeCoachella Valley Region is Long Overdue

August 10, 2007 - A top seismologist is warning that another major earthquake is in our future, a big one that could devastate Southern California, from the desert to the sea.

Lucy Jones, of the U.S. Geological Survey says it's not a question of where but when a big quake will strike the Coachella Valley, sandwiched between the San Andreas and San Jacinto faults.
Jones says that region is long overdue, and the seismic clock is ticking.
Jones says a magnitude 7.8 quake or more could collapse major freeways, knock down buildings in Downtown L.A., kill thousands of people and cause hundreds of billions of dollars in damage.

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=local&id=5559714

I live in So Cal. Things like this are said pretty much every year. I love living here. I've lived in Fl and dealt with hurricanes. I grew up in the midwest and lived with tornadoes. I live in So Cal now and deal with earthquakes. We just had a rumbler a couple days ago strong enough to clink the glasses in the cabinets. It's not something I tend to worry about or live in fear of on a daily basis. it tends to concern more people that live outside of Cali than it does those of us that live here.

Just My thoughts...

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RE: California overdue for major earthquake - 8/13/2007 3:29:17 PM

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I live in So Cal. Things like this are said pretty much every year. I love living here. I've lived in Fl and dealt with hurricanes. I grew up in the midwest and lived with tornadoes. I live in So Cal now and deal with earthquakes. We just had a rumbler a couple days ago strong enough to clink the glasses in the cabinets. It's not something I tend to worry about or live in fear of on a daily basis. it tends to concern more people that live outside of Cali than it does those of us that live here.

Just My thoughts...

I agree with you. I grew up in the SF Bay Area, and as long as I can remember, the San Andreas fault was going to sever California into the ocean...

Having "survived" the '89 quake, I think our state is pretty well prepared for major earthquakes. Then again, I live in Sacramento now, and earthquakes aren't a big part of anything we contend with here.

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RE: California overdue for major earthquake - 8/13/2007 3:32:31 PM

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I live in So Cal. Things like this are said pretty much every year. I love living here. I've lived in Fl and dealt with hurricanes. I grew up in the midwest and lived with tornadoes. I live in So Cal now and deal with earthquakes. We just had a rumbler a couple days ago strong enough to clink the glasses in the cabinets. It's not something I tend to worry about or live in fear of on a daily basis. it tends to concern more people that live outside of Cali than it does those of us that live here.

Just My thoughts...

I agree with you. I grew up in the SF Bay Area, and as long as I can remember, the San Andreas fault was going to sever California into the ocean...

Having "survived" the '89 quake, I think our state is pretty well prepared for major earthquakes. Then again, I live in Sacramento now, and earthquakes aren't a big part of anything we contend with here.

I was in Big Bear when that one hit on vacation. Frankly I would rather deal with a quake than hurricanes or tornados. I agree we're well prepared and it isn't something San Diego deals with on a large scale either. I always giggle at the thought of Cali breaking off from the US. Hey we become an island. That should help the border problems if nothing else.

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RE: California overdue for major earthquake - 8/13/2007 3:40:11 PM

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That should help the border problems if nothing else.

LOL touche'

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RE: California overdue for major earthquake - 8/13/2007 3:50:48 PM

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Why would it help the border problems? Look at who is doing the rebuilding in New Orleans....

I live in a massive earthquake zone also.

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RE: California overdue for major earthquake - 8/13/2007 3:51:07 PM

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I agree with you. I grew up in the SF Bay Area, and as long as I can remember, the San Andreas fault was going to sever California into the ocean...

Having "survived" the '89 quake, I think our state is pretty well prepared for major earthquakes. Then again, I live in Sacramento now, and earthquakes aren't a big part of anything we contend with here.

I was watching a special on the Discovery Channel and they said that San Fran is NOT ready for a major quake. Engineers say the city has for many years been building foundations recklessly on unstable ground.

The estimates are that if San Fran is hit with a major quake of above 8.0... that the devastation will be worse than what Hurricane Katrina did to New Orleans. And the roads are in such a way that it would take days or even weeks for help to get to many places.

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RE: California overdue for major earthquake - 8/13/2007 4:07:45 PM

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This has been common knowledge for so long even my grandmother knew about it. You people living in California will be alright so long as as you stay away from tall buildings and dual level motorways..
If you dont then ...well what can I say without appearing heartless but the prospects are not good.

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RE: California overdue for major earthquake - 8/13/2007 4:10:10 PM

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I agree with you. I grew up in the SF Bay Area, and as long as I can remember, the San Andreas fault was going to sever California into the ocean...

Having "survived" the '89 quake, I think our state is pretty well prepared for major earthquakes. Then again, I live in Sacramento now, and earthquakes aren't a big part of anything we contend with here.

I was watching a special on the Discovery Channel and they said that San Fran is NOT ready for a major quake. Engineers say the city has for many years been building foundations recklessly on unstable ground.

The estimates are that if San Fran is hit with a major quake of above 8.0... that the devastation will be worse than what Hurricane Katrina did to New Orleans. And the roads are in such a way that it would take days or even weeks for help to get to many places.

I was also in town for the '89 quake and we were always told to beware of the "due any day now" Hayward Fault quake. Connect a line to the schools, universities, hospitals, and administrative centers on the East Bay, and you've mapped the Hayward. Zoobs o' fun anticipated.

I was also in Santa Barbara for the Northridge quake. You see, earthquakes follow me, oh yeah, really! So everyone in SW Ohio should look out....

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RE: California overdue for major earthquake - 8/13/2007 4:14:04 PM

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I was watching a special on the Discovery Channel and they said that San Fran is NOT ready for a major quake. Engineers say the city has for many years been building foundations recklessly on unstable ground.

Well it doesn't help that entire neighborhoods are built on land fill (hence the problems the Marina District encountered during the 1989 quake).

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The estimates are that if San Fran is hit with a major quake of above 8.0... that the devastation will be worse than what Hurricane Katrina did to New Orleans. And the roads are in such a way that it would take days or even weeks for help to get to many places.

We did reasonably okay considering the strength of the 7.1 quake, but I can imagine 8.0 would be far worse.

But like others, even if I move back there, which I may, it would be foolish to live in fear over what may be. Many, many bridges and overpasses were retro-fitted after the 7.1, and modern buildings are built so that they sway with the earth. I doubt any city would be 100% prepared, but I also know the media loves to elicit fear, too.

Some habits I developed after the 89 quake - Keep flashlights, batteries, bottled water, and canned food in the house. Keep bottled water, a ziplock bag of nuts, a flashlight and a jacket in the car. And keep the cell phone charged.

And if an earthquake strikes, hang on and enjoy the ride

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RE: California overdue for major earthquake - 8/13/2007 4:53:06 PM

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Ohio eh? Look up the New Madrid fault...you aren't going to sleep tonight, one of the more massive earthquakes in US recorded history.

The Loma Prieta earthquake in 1989 wasn't in San Francisco, it was 80 miles south in Santa Cruz. So imagine one an entire magnitude greater and epicentered in SF.

The only reason the Marina district wasn't lost was sheer luck. The firefighting watermains were destroyed but a huge antique fireboat HAPPENED to be moored there and they used its pumps to provide the water they fought the fire with.

All the first responders live outside the bay area on the other side of various mountains and or over major waterways. Katrina will be pleasant in comparison, unlike Katrina, there will be massive firestorms and the region will be devastated.

LA is built to looser standards and will suffer a similar fate but isn't as overbuilt as SF is, it is more widespread which may save it from the worst of the firestorms but with its dependence on freeways and overpasses, it too could be sent spiraling into disaster that takes weeks and months to sort out and decades to recover from.

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RE: California overdue for major earthquake - 8/13/2007 5:04:36 PM

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I lived in SoCal for eleven years (not far from Northridge actually) and every year they would say the big one was coming, it was time for the next big one, or that we were due for the biggest one since San Francisco's in what, 1914? Something like that, and you know what? It never came. The truth is, they haven't been able to predict earthquakes any more than they can predict tornadoes! Of course another quake will hit, there are fault lines everywhere and eventually it will come, just like hurricanes will hit Florida and the coastlines and monsoons will hit Southeast Asia. The earthquake advice is good. Food, water, flashlights, a battery operated radio, blankets, put them outside in a water-proof trashcan. That's what I did when I lived there. Have things in your car too, a quake may happen when you're not at home.

But you know what else we're overdue for? A population leveling disease. But you don't see anyone worrying about that. It's true, for the past oh, hundreds of years, every century or so, there has been some sort of disease that has leveled out the population of the world. The Black Plague, Influenza, Smallpox, TB, just to name a few.

Bad things happen, such is the nature of our world. It isn't a question of if, but of when. The Boy Scouts are right, be prepared!

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RE: California overdue for major earthquake - 8/13/2007 5:05:39 PM

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For those interested, here is a fault line map of the SF Bay Area (there's a link to LA area on this site, also).

http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/info/faultmaps/San_Francisco.html

Currently there is no fault line running directly through SF, but there certainly are some nearby. Actually San Jose is likeliest to be screwed up, as the city and its outlying areas are quite populated and riddled with fault lines. That's where I was in the 89 quake, 30 miles from Loma Prieta, yet on a different fault line (SF is on a different fault line, too).

I've been looking into this stuff because I'm on the disaster recovery and business continuity team at my company. Mind you, in Sacramento we're more concerned about floods and levy breakage than earthquakes.

Santa Cruz's down town was pretty much destroyed in the Loma Prieta quake. Years prior, they made the decision NOT to invest the money it would take to bring down town up to adequate safety levels. It truly was a shame, although the new down town is quite nice now. I'll be there next week, in fact :)

Still, when all is said and done, living in fear of the ground shaking is not something I'm prone to do.

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RE: California overdue for major earthquake - 8/13/2007 5:39:17 PM

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I don't care living here in NB is heaven on earth, every once in a while things rattle. Risk is part of living. I'd rather run the risk of a huge quake taking my life and live every day here than live some place that isn't paradise like this is.

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RE: California overdue for major earthquake - 8/13/2007 5:51:26 PM

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Damn Chewsie,

Northern Bangladesh is a wretched place!!!!!!!!!!

The north part of East Pakistan to the old fuckers in the crowd.

Or were you referring to North Bulgaria?

Smirks,

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RE: California overdue for major earthquake - 8/13/2007 6:03:56 PM

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      Up to about a 5.5, earthquakes are a fun ride. I stood right on top of a 6.0 once and that one, not so much fun. I would just as soon not experience a "great quake."

     What hasn't been brought up here are the likely social consequences of an 8.0 on the LA area. It's going to make the Rodney King riots look like Detroit won a basketball game. No water. No electricity. Transportation corriders completely cut. Oh yeah, the rest of you are gonna be glued to your TV's for that one.



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RE: California overdue for major earthquake - 8/13/2007 6:47:23 PM

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Top Seismologist: Southern California Due For Major QuakeCoachella Valley Region is Long Overdue

August 10, 2007 - A top seismologist is warning that another major earthquake is in our future, a big one that could devastate Southern California, from the desert to the sea.

Lucy Jones, of the U.S. Geological Survey says it's not a question of where but when a big quake will strike the Coachella Valley, sandwiched between the San Andreas and San Jacinto faults.
Jones says that region is long overdue, and the seismic clock is ticking.
Jones says a magnitude 7.8 quake or more could collapse major freeways, knock down buildings in Downtown L.A., kill thousands of people and cause hundreds of billions of dollars in damage.

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=local&id=5559714

(Lemme think here....someone is wasting valuable broadband that someone else is paying for...for our benefit...to tell us that...

CALIFORNIA is going to get another REALLY FUCKING BIG EARTHQUAKE!!!!!)

(Thanks for the tip).

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RE: California overdue for major earthquake - 8/13/2007 7:23:35 PM

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Ohio eh? Look up the New Madrid fault...you aren't going to sleep tonight, one of the more massive earthquakes in US recorded history.

The Loma Prieta earthquake in 1989 wasn't in San Francisco, it was 80 miles south in Santa Cruz. So imagine one an entire magnitude greater and epicentered in SF.

The only reason the Marina district wasn't lost was sheer luck. The firefighting watermains were destroyed but a huge antique fireboat HAPPENED to be moored there and they used its pumps to provide the water they fought the fire with.

All the first responders live outside the bay area on the other side of various mountains and or over major waterways. Katrina will be pleasant in comparison, unlike Katrina, there will be massive firestorms and the region will be devastated.

LA is built to looser standards and will suffer a similar fate but isn't as overbuilt as SF is, it is more widespread which may save it from the worst of the firestorms but with its dependence on freeways and overpasses, it too could be sent spiraling into disaster that takes weeks and months to sort out and decades to recover from.

Well, when I was a kid, I read through a bunch of old Readers Digest my great-aunts had, and they had an article about New Madrid. That'll be bad; most structures near the epicenter aren't remotely built to a seismic standard. And many don't even know it's there.

I remember (as most will who were in the Bay Area in '89) how peeved we were that everyone called it the "SF earthquake". But that's where all the news crews were to cover the Series. I had friends in the Santa Cruz mountains and a few just decided to camp out in the valley and wait out the repairs to Hwy 17 and the local water systems.

ta ta
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RE: California overdue for major earthquake - 8/13/2007 8:51:48 PM

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big deal. the seismic clock has been ticking for the entire history of the earth. people like Lucy Jones are just looking to get some publicity, imo.

honestly, I don't see the point dwelling on it. all you can do is be prepared. I've lived in Los Angeles my entire life, and actually slept through the one last week. disasters happen...but life still goes on.

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RE: California overdue for major earthquake - 8/13/2007 11:29:30 PM

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Lets see.

My average life span is about 75 years.

The average span of time between major earthquakes in the state of California is 25,000 years?

So I have a .03% chance of being caught in one.

Im nervous as hell. Being me, however, I have my earthquake kit, but I dont lose sleep over it.

Sinergy

p.s. Of course, since I have a 1 in 9.3 million chance of being killed by a terrorist, I know which one to worry about if I feel the need to worry.

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