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RE: The GOP can shut up now... - 8/8/2007 10:50:49 AM

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(I of course agree with Sinergy, China don't give a fiddlers fuck about world opinion, they will do what is in China's best interests over the long run, and if doing so means they shit on someone in a bad way and take advantage of it, who cares, everyone will forget the sting of that a few centuries down the road)

Of course this is quite correct, and it stands for any other nation on Earth.

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RE: The GOP can shut up now... - 8/8/2007 10:53:57 AM

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Yes, but not to the degree that aligned nations are, by treaties or other means, prohibited or at least dissuaded from free actions.
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RE: The GOP can shut up now... - 8/8/2007 11:06:29 AM

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Yes, wuji is the 'void' in Taoist origination mythology, but not one of the 5 elements... while Mushashi's different 'void' was the Buddhist concept referring to the illusory nature of things... add to that your wu shu reference, and you have a fake Asian buffet of philosophies.

Sorry, but they aren't all the same, even though it may look that way to some.
And while I wouldn't prohibit anyone from falling for a jumbled together fortunecookie/NewAge/martial arts interpretation, I'm not going to be shy about calling BS on it either.

Sorry if that offends.

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RE: The GOP can shut up now... - 8/8/2007 11:17:05 AM

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you obviously read alot, but are unable to take these concepts and apply them to anything in the material world.

what you refer to as void linked with mushashi, would be more termed metsubishi or shinobi, and not that shit of the teenage mutant ninja turtles. He was talking about what is commonly termed the the fog of war. This is only one advantage in using void. Wuji (zero) nothing, no feeling, no empathy, no quarter, no remorse, no reserve.

Thank you for your obviously learned and yet still untutored opinion. You have the advantage, since I told you at the outset you were obviously right, and I inheirently wrong.

The buffet is looking like dogmeat.

It is interesting that you put no martial interpretation on anything, since that is the struggle of man for life, whether by sword, or politic, or baling hay.

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RE: The GOP can shut up now... - 8/8/2007 11:26:45 AM

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What I have obviously done, is bothered to know what I was talking about before commenting. Interesting that you are so bothered by that.

And interesting that you assume that knowledge equates to not being able to apply concepts in real life.

How are the reverse approaches working out for ya?

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RE: The GOP can shut up now... - 8/8/2007 11:31:04 AM

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about along the lines of how they work for you.

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RE: The GOP can shut up now... - 8/8/2007 11:34:44 AM

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Really... you've had great success at employing ignorance and incorrect knowledge? Congratulations are in order then. Don't change a thing in your 'wushu' world. And I'll stick to my approach of knowing the difference between things worth knowing about.

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RE: The GOP can shut up now... - 8/8/2007 11:38:53 AM

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well, you go on to greater knowledge, keep it to yourself as you always have.

I think that China, and dare I say Japan, will not stop to mourn either of our passings.

Though, they should give pause to your demonstrable expertise, had you demonstrated any.

Interesting your avatar looks as it is Indian, perhaps you can wax long to us about how these things were original teachings there.

Then, with your vast knowledge you can intimate that the fire as elemental, or should you choose, water as the elemental force from the Greek differs with the ancient chinese secrets that are unique, since they obviously did not collaborate but arrived at the fairy tales by independent means.

just a link or two.

LOL

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RE: The GOP can shut up now... - 8/8/2007 12:17:31 PM

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ON THE ORIGIONAL POST

I'm not too sure how I feel about this situation with china. I'm leaning towards wanting a trade embargo on them anyway - in the last 6 months they've put poison in our dog and cat food, toothpaste, and now there is a HUGE recall on Fisher Price toys coming out of China because they've been painted with lead paint that can hurt the ums if they put the toys in their mouths.

Would china's yuan suffer if we embargoed their asses until they actually stick to the Safety Standards for imported products?

Is it possible that our own Capitolism and dependence on cheap products from china is a threat that even the "terrorists" (sorry, the only terrorists I fear are the ones in the White House) can't match?

(Note - my questions are sincere, even if they might not be pleasant to answer)

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RE: The GOP can shut up now... - 8/8/2007 12:19:30 PM

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I suspect that China has passed the point where we can leverage them with anything...military, economy, or politics. If they perceive something to be in their best interests, they are going to go for it.

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RE: The GOP can shut up now... - 8/8/2007 3:32:43 PM

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Well, it's not my order; it's the order of the book.

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Earth Water Fire Wind Air/Space
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Chi Sui Ka Fu Ku (in the order of Lam)

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RE: The GOP can shut up now... - 8/8/2007 4:11:07 PM

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In terms of media and governmental manipulation I think it's interesting how quickly we bent over for China after the extreme anti-communist era of Joe McCarthy. McCarthy pursued what was basically a communist witch hunt mainly between 1950-1954 (as if people were not allowed to hold dissenting political views in the U.S.). By 1972 Nixon had visited China and we were well on our way to a very different kind of relation with a nation that is not really communistic but really just a military dictatorship.

All these years later, thanks to the likes of WalMart we are so deeply indebted and partnered to China we cannot easily extricate ourselves from our current situation. China can dictate, at least in part, the terms of our ongoing relationship.

As it happens, I am a kind of isolationist. I am not opposed to trade with other countries; but I am opposed to *HAVING* to trade with other countries. The U.S. needs to focus on becoming independent of trade for our necessary supplies: fuel, food, medicine, labor, etc.

It's painfully stupid that we have allowed multinationals to dictate our political policies to us in this manner.

People sometimes question my patriotism because I am not a flag-waving moron that loves the invasion of Iraq. I would counter that I am even more patriotic than average because the only things I care about are the things that are good for me and mine and the country we live within.

I believe in a thriving middle-class, civil liberties and enough social programs to properly float the whole project. And to hell with NAFTA, China, and all of this other shit that feeds the multinationals at the expense of the american worker.

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RE: The GOP can shut up now... - 8/8/2007 4:42:30 PM

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Well said, man. A strong middle class is irrelevant to the multinationals. A nation of burger flippers and 36 hours-a-week Wal Mart 'associates' is where we're headed. Who's the enemy? Labor unions? I don't think so.

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RE: The GOP can shut up now... - 8/8/2007 6:49:54 PM

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It's not where you're headed, guys, it's where you're at already. But as long as the multinationals can keep on lining their pockets with your sweat and blood, all in the name of good old Kapital, who am I to complain

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RE: The GOP can shut up now... - 8/8/2007 7:45:44 PM

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It's not where you're headed, guys, it's where you're at already....

You are right. It occurred to me shortly after I posted. It was actually true more than ten years ago. Complain already! I do.

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RE: The GOP can shut up now... - 8/9/2007 3:09:44 AM

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well, I think I said that it was inevitable more than a couple years ago, they have us on the fuckin' ropes, we are pouring ourselves into this idiotic democratization of Iraq......now, they can sink the dollar (and they got lots) putting pressure on a bunch of different economies (certainly britain and others will be forced to come to our aid) and dropping the lot more than shallowly.

One does not need guns to win the war.

Ku-Fu-Chi-Sui-Ka

the five rings
the five elements

perhaps we are guatemalans

we certainly do not think in long terms like we are going to be here a thousand years hence.

Ron

Just a quick historical parallel :

Reminds me of what happened in 1956 when the British, France and Israel formed a secret alliance with a quest in mind to seize the Suez canal from Nasser.

Ike and the rest of the oligarchy didn't think that was such a good idea. And at the time, the British were in similar debt-laden position as we are today. So, when the British mobilized their forces for an initial attack, Ike and the United States --- The largest holder of debt-laden British securities at the time --- proceeded to ''cash in'' our holdings in British treasury notes! Of course, the British quickly decided a ''pull-out'' was in order. And then Anthony Eden, the British Prime minister, resigned.

If we could end the neocon reign{for good}and keep cretins like Wudy and Billiary out - I'd glady sacrifice some moderate-level economic chaos for the further good of the country.

Ku-Fu-Chi-Sui-Ka

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RE: The GOP can shut up now... - 8/14/2007 9:59:19 AM

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With all due respect...how can you concieve of a 'trade embargo'...when all the major US Auto makers are based in China, The goods at All WAl-Mart outlets, from China, even the swiss Hassleblad boasts of China being their largest consumers of their high end imaging products, as well as Hassleblad building one of the largest facilities there, in the world. China rules the world, as does the Oil companies... The OP demonstrated how China controls the US dollar, thereby our economy; we all are at their mercy.

None of this happened overnight, ....just think; let's take just one simplistic item; GM/s Cadillac is being built in China, how long does it take to build a modern robotic plant to, design, manufacture, produce these automobiles?. negoitate the terms of trade, employment, etc., cut the deals ????.... China also produces it's own brand of automobiles, introducing them at the auto shows.....with all the modern hoopla, merchandising and marketing we supposed americans are most skilled at, Ahem.... it's been there for a while now, and you people are just now aware???.....incredible.....too late.

A 'Trade Embargo'...well then, you will have GM, Ford, WAl-Mart cutting their own throats...never will happen.

However, we have hope, Alumbago and her rings and things has the solutions, God only knows what they are.

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RE: The GOP can shut up now... - 8/14/2007 10:25:08 AM

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BRAVO, BRAVO, well said.
Remember, however, what this GOP is about, is not making the USofA independant. Our Alaska Oil Fields rival that of any Arabia Oil Fields, as well as those in Siberia, which are more than all the Arabias combined. It's all about money, and breaking the back of the USofA people; Haliburton has moved out of the US, and to Dubai UAE. To see what is going on you can start with: www.burjdubai.com from there, take a tour of the Arabias, and see what is actually planned for this Gobal Economy.

However, please rest assured, we are under the protection of HomeLand security, and the ever growing security& surrvellance, Policing industry which our president has created, to protect against terrorist attack.

Banks are in a turmoil, with foreclosures at an unpresidented rate, the American economy is in decline at an unpresidented rate... effects are being felt world wide, WORLD WIDE; but we are pumping more money into Iraq, and the newly created Africa Corp; HomeLand Security et al.

Hillary will have her hands full, and of course will be the blame for everything. SS will be in trouble, funny, we don't hear anything about the SS woes, of failure and bankrupcy, but we will. Iraq War invoice will suddenly come due, taxes will be raised, and it all will be the fault of the Democratic congress. Gasoline will be taxed, driving the at the pump fuel prices to and in excess of 7 bucks per. And, lets not forget about the 'Baby Boomers' (whatever the hell they are)...they'll be retiring and expect their 'entitlement'.

Where oh where, does all this money come from??????

But, we can all debate Kung Fu Charlie, Grasshoppers, rings and things.

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