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RE: This is what happens when you retreat from Iraq too... - 8/12/2007 11:29:38 AM

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ORIGINAL: NavyDDG54

Thank god the British gave us this preview of what will happen.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20137025/
Note the following:
As British forces pull back from Basra in southern Iraq, Shiite militias there have escalated a violent battle against each other for political supremacy and control over oil resources, deepening concerns among some U.S. officials in Baghdad that elements of Iraq's Shiite-dominated national government will turn on one another once U.S. troops begin to draw down.
Three major Shiite political groups are locked in a bloody conflict that has left the city in the hands of militias and criminal gangs, whose control extends to municipal offices and neighborhood streets. The city is plagued by "the systematic misuse of official institutions, political assassinations, tribal vendettas, neighborhood vigilantism and enforcement of social mores, together with the rise of criminal mafias that increasingly intermingle with political actors," a recent report by the International Crisis Group said.

This would have always happened day one or day one hundred and one no difference. People need to find their own heroes and that is what is finally happening. If your history had been imposed on you how much would you respect it? The key moments in your history that you remember are those times that people rose up against the British occupation of your country and how a society was built out of civil war. The people in Iraq need to go through a similar process to build their own shared history and all we can do there is more harm. Step back from the chaos because that’s the only way they will stop blaming you for creating it. People can’t complain about their own actions or history unless others are dictating it.

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RE: This is what happens when you retreat from Iraq too... - 8/12/2007 11:47:04 AM

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The quality of the equipment matters far less than the quality of the tactics and the men who use them. The Zero outclassed the P40 and yet Chenault used them with great effectiveness. The Israelis were ouclassed in their first two or three wars and yet cleaned house on the Arabs.

The T34 was an effective tank but it was Hitler who lost the war for the Germans not their generals, not their tanks.

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RE: This is what happens when you retreat from Iraq too... - 8/12/2007 11:50:34 AM

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Leaving Iraq "too early" is a silly question. Leaving Iraq without an effective strategy for stability is the problem. Unfortunately, we have lost control of the situation and troops aren't what is needed to regain control, effective insightful leadership is what is needed and is what is most lacking. That and any effective solution involves America taking it in the ass which is why Bush's daddy didn't overthrow Saddam and in fact saved Saddam's ass from the very people who will now end up with Iraq regardless of what we do.

Its sort of like going into a jail and announcing you are bringing Democracy. The people you want running it just aren't going to win an election and there isn't ANYBODY who will that you want to run the place.

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