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catize -> RE: Just a vent (7/31/2007 3:51:52 PM)

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 I can't help but to think, everytime I  her someone say submission is a gift, as I then want to go out and have it wrapped before I present myself to a potential Sir.  


I'm gonna stick a big red bow on top my head and re-name myself 'giftie'.
I'll let ya know if it works!




DaddysSweet1 -> RE: Just a vent (7/31/2007 4:00:06 PM)

Hi Goodgirl85, you seem to be going through a lot of stress right now. I've read many posts by you in the past few days, starting with the "Help" thread. You are very young to be so bold in your opinions of what a Dominant should or shouldnt be. Maybe it's time to take a bit of a breather. I am not saying this in a mean or hurtful way at all. But I have been where you are. When I first got started I got hurt very badly because I put all of myself into a so called Dominant that wasn't anything like they presented themselves to be. But I learned, after some time, it wasnt all him he was just a person and I had expected much more from him than he could give me.




CreativeDominant -> RE: Just a vent (7/31/2007 4:59:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: earthycouple

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

My ums are grown...can I have the chocolate? [:)]


Oh no...I have competition for my Godiva supplier. *Wonders how I can prove myself worthy of Ghita's gifts* Since proving my domly worth is very important.....*S*


~strikes combination Domly-Dom, Manly-Man pose~...there....[&:]




daddysliloneds -> RE: Just a vent (7/31/2007 5:04:03 PM)

[:(]oh god, not again[:'(]




domiguy -> RE: Just a vent (7/31/2007 5:07:14 PM)

Did I actually hear someone say that there submission is a gift?....Pleeeez don't get me started!!!....lol.




Tinman1960 -> RE: Just a vent (7/31/2007 5:14:57 PM)

Submission is not "a" gift, it is a large package containing many gifts - and I just love unwrapping gits ;-)




LATEXBABY64 -> RE: Just a vent (7/31/2007 5:18:17 PM)

there is good and bad in all of us it is what we do that makes us who we are

                                ( Serious Black) from Harry Potter




littlebitxxx -> RE: Just a vent (7/31/2007 5:31:38 PM)

Greetings to all,

In my opinion, submission is not a gift, it is a way of thinking.  Dominance also is not a gift, for the same reason.  It is a mindset or a headspace one enters when in the presence of the other, whether it be online, on the phone or in person.  For those living together, it can be present at all times underlying and connecting their 'nilla life.  Entering a life of submission, either part time or full time, requires much communication from both sides.  Hard limits are easy to establish, soft limits not quite so easy.  Then to throw a monkey wrench in, there are varying levels to each limit.  For example, i may be open to serving another Dom or friend (which can be called whoring) but i draw the line at picking up strangers for Master to watch me with.  Honest, open communication from the get-go is vital in negotiating just what each other wants from the relationship and what they bring to the table themselves.  And that takes time.  i read of so many subs that will collar to someone after only a month or so real time conversing.  So many collar online without even that.  Then they wonder why their relationship goes south quickly?

To put it into another context:  look at vanilla couples, and we were probably all part of one at one time or another.  How long is the average courtship?  3-6 months, longer?  How long is the average engagement?  6 months - 1 year?  Most couples live together first just to see if they can...or would if they were smart.   During this buildup time to the actual marriage most couples discuss the basics of life, finances, they find out what each other prefers in house style, car, how many children, how they like them raised.  They talk about the future with hopes and dreams.   It is during this discovery period that they become comfortable with the other and find out if they are compatible.  Not only does the love build, so does the trust and respect for each other, knowing they won't get hurt later.   If the wife is approached by another man commanding her to obey him, what would she say?  Also, do wives not expect their husbands to be human or are they supposed to be Manly Men who know everything and can do no wrong?

In the bdsm world, why are the same considerations not taken when 'interviewing' with a prospective Dom or sub?  We all go down the fetish checklist and figure that if each has checked off a certain number of the same likes and dislikes then poof!  we must be compatible.  Why do we not talk about the future with hopes and dreams?  Why do we not have the same discovery period that would prove if we were comfortable with each other?  So why do some subs expect their Masters to be the Domly Dom that can do no wrong?  They are human too.  And any sub worth their salt wouldn't automatically kneel just because some other Dom said so. 

i am soon on my way to meet for the first time a man that i hope will become my new Master.  We met in December last year as friends and have deepened that friendship since.  We have spent the time discovering each other within and without the lifestyle.  Through our discussions we have found we are highly compatible in all ways.  He is a man first, a human man with foibles just like i have.  i am coming to him as a woman first.  Any M/s relationship we have after that will be strengthened by our mutual caring, trust and respect as people first.  And that's the beauty of this life choice....it can be whatever two people want it to be...but it has to be both that make the decisions.

Whew!  think i got my own vent going there.

Love and light,
sage




WhiplashSmile -> RE: Just a vent (7/31/2007 5:38:22 PM)

If anybody views submission as a gift, they should view Dominance as a gift as well..   wait a second.

I thought D/s was about a way of life and not about gifts.   I've never woke up Christmas day to find a gift wrapped subbie slave girl under the tree.  You mean other people got one? I must be on the bastard of a Santa Clauses shit list or something.

I do believe submission should be valued, but not treated like a gift.  Once it's given it's mine, mine, mine.. all mine I tell you.   Seriously folks!   I'm being a bit of a smart ass.

On a serious note, why can't people simply view this more about a way of life to live, instead of as making a gift out of it.  What is this a giving contest or what?   

I know people that think they own your ass, just because they gave you something.  In short they use this as a reminder that you owe them something.    

Submission is about submitting to somebody you want to submit to.  Actually you simply make up your mind that you will accept being Dommed by somebody.   If you truely submit to somebody, it's because you want it.  So please stop with all this gift giving pretense.. I'm rolling my eyes now.
  




Tinman1960 -> RE: Just a vent (7/31/2007 5:55:29 PM)

And the greatest gift of all is love....... ;-)




beargonewild -> RE: Just a vent (7/31/2007 5:58:20 PM)

That and a 5 lb box of Godiva Chocolates!




LATEXBABY64 -> RE: Just a vent (7/31/2007 6:01:17 PM)

something just came to me.. who are we to say it is not a gift.. all a point of view. what means something one may not be to someone else. it could almost to considered a skill cause of the crap a sub goes through and remains in tact did ever think that.. a sub with heart is worth more then any treasure call it the value system. those that do not look at it that way do not value much beware of them run forest run




earthycouple -> RE: Just a vent (7/31/2007 6:18:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64

something just came to me.. who are we to say it is not a gift.. all a point of view. what means something one may not be to someone else. it could almost to considered a skill cause of the crap a sub goes through and remains in tact did ever think that.. a sub with heart is worth more then any treasure call it the value system. those that do not look at it that way do not value much beware of them run forest run


wait...you begin by saying it's all a point of view then you finish by saying those who don't look at it that way don't value much?  Cripes.  Complete a cohesive thought with a well written paragraph then get back to us, k?  You have been more verbal in what is "fact" than any of us lately.




PlayfulOne -> RE: Just a vent (7/31/2007 6:37:21 PM)

If her submission is a gift,  then that leaves me free to regift her correct?

K






earthycouple -> RE: Just a vent (7/31/2007 6:39:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PlayfulOne

If her submission is a gift,  then that leaves me free to regift her correct?

K





LOL or return her for something cooler, or toss her in the junk drawer, or put her in a box in the basement for years on end




beargonewild -> RE: Just a vent (7/31/2007 6:50:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64

something just came to me.. who are we to say it is not a gift.. all a point of view. what means something one may not be to someone else. it could almost to considered a skill cause of the crap a sub goes through and remains in tact did ever think that.. a sub with heart is worth more then any treasure call it the value system. those that do not look at it that way do not value much beware of them run forest run


Yet don't you think that it all boils down to a matter of trust? In bare bones context, a Dom has to earn the trust of a sub just as a sub has to earn the trust of a Dom.




chey -> RE: Just a vent (7/31/2007 7:07:18 PM)

The gift thing again.....ugh~
 
I have never had the experience of a Dominant male or female out in the community ever tell me to kneel or do any such thing. Now online? Sure! But ummm....I don't usually let them get to me, I just ignore them or delete the email.

Oh...who has the chocolate btw??? I was wondering who to suck up to!




goodgirl85 -> RE: Just a vent (7/31/2007 7:25:14 PM)

Well then, didnt think I would so many responses .. but then I should have known better. And I wasn't just talking about one particular Dom who hurt me. I have read so many threads in the past few days, on this site and others about Doms not taking their subs feelings/thoughts/concerns into consideration. Add that to my current issues and we have my vent... which is just that... A VENT. I am not saying all Doms are that. And as Whiplash said, "If anybody views submission as a gift, they should view Dominance as a gift as well" .... Personally I do. Anyone who consents to "owning" me, with knowing me... well I give them lots of credit.

And to earthycouple, I DON"T give my and take my submission away or use it to get out of punishments or things I don't want to do. If I don't want to do something... I ask, can we not do "insert activity here" today? And explain why i dont want to do it. If he says "no your doing it" then Ill do it. And usually when I ask its for a good reason. Like I feel cloasutraphobic giving head in a movie booth made for one person. Or as I am prone to really bad cant move my fingers migraines, Hey Im suffering from a migraine can you punish me later???

However, I do think of my submission as a "gift" of sorts, because it takes a lot for me to truly submit... it takes a lot of trust on my part- something I am not good with doing at all. If I am going to trust someone so completly that I am going to let him do things to me that may or may not put my life in danger and trust him enough to know when enough is enough, than yes, he should consider my submission a gift... just as I would consider his taking on that role a gift as well.

What I mean by "gift" is that you don't just submit, or Dominate just anyone... there is a lot of work that goes into it ... maybe more so than a "normal" vanilla relationship. I CHOSE to whom I submit. But once I have submitted, I have submitted. I don't say "no i dont really feel like submitting today so I am not going to do my chores.

I never said I do "kneel" for those who think they can make me just because of their Dom status. Just that I was sick of it. Sick of those wanna bees, just being a dom to get laid. Yeah I'm not really experienced and yeah Im kind of young.

And for all of those you don't agree that kinks can change... well.... people change don't they???? SO why can't their kinks change? And if their kinks change why shouldn't their Dom or even SUB for that matter sit down and listen to what they have to say???

I never meant to sound like a spoiled brat as I told through an email when I said I didn't expect to hear "Well you have no say cuz you're only a sub"... All I meant was that I expect my voice to be at least heard and considered in my Dom's decision, especially if something he is doing or not doing is making me thinkof ending the relationship. I also said that if the Dom doesn't want to change the behavior or attitude that is making the sub feel upset (or whatever term you want to use) then they should both together and seperatly think of the future of the relationship.

Just my thoughts and ideas...

girl





TankII7871 -> RE: Just a vent (7/31/2007 7:39:35 PM)

The last girl to tell me that her Submission is gift was asked for the receipt so i could return it.  Well i wanted a new set of speakers:)

Eric




beargonewild -> RE: Just a vent (7/31/2007 7:43:36 PM)

It is in my opinion and firm belief that a sub's voice is heard and taken into consideration by their Dom. Yes most times it doesn't seem this way but I do know from experience that they do lsten to much of what we say without letting on they have. It's later down the road is when they have a habit of bring that point up which we spoke about days earlier.
   Both Doms and subs do change during the course of their relationship. That is predictable, what isn't as predictable is if these changes are fast for one and slow for the other. Underneath all the hype and portocols of a D/s relationship, open communication at all times is one of the keys for success in the relationship.




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