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kittinSol -> RE: Falling off the edge of love. (7/31/2007 1:30:33 PM)
Good, so you aren't affected by the chemical suppression of love yet :-) Something told me you were that way anyway, jenny.

Alumbrado -> RE: Falling off the edge of love. (7/31/2007 1:39:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol ...but let's consider the fact that the pharmaceutical companies have developed enormous capacities for addresssing the ills of modern life. Their medication response is based on ad-hoc basis whereby they seem to offer a cure to something I think is uncurable... It's patchwork. Their stuff's nothing better than sticking a tiny plaster on a gaping wound. Yet it's not innocuous! Like you and I and many others know, it covers up the essential aspects of the human experience. I am starting to think these drugs take away a lot of our impetus for living our lives. I like being in love, and I like what it does to me. The rush, adrenaline and earth-shattering orgasmic capacity are treasures in my mind. I don't want to let them go, but what is the option, if it's a life of excruciating moral pain? We spoke about it before, but it's hard finding a quack that'll be humble and ready to experiment with less orthodox medication. Notwithstanding the drug company reps breathing down their necks... 'Uncurable' is not always the same as 'not having the desired effect in every case'. But you are right that the pharmaceutical companies look to be trying to peddle a 'tune up in a bottle' for complex human issues. Some people with depression have responded as wished to SSRIs, some people have reported feeling better, only to come back later looking for help again, and some folks have been dragged from pillar to post, unwanted side effects and all.

LaTigresse -> RE: Falling off the edge of love. (7/31/2007 3:30:55 PM)
I have never needed to take a prescribed medication except maybe an odd degerming one. Oh there was that one time with the codeine infused cough medicine......omggggg was I STONED! I have been very fortunate to be dealt the ability to cope with whatever life has tossed at me. Some members of my family have not been so lucky. It is something that is hard to me to understand, but I empathize deeply. I have seen those I love suffer so, it is agonizing to watch and feel so helpless. I cannot imagine what it would be like to live with dulled emotions. I love feeling love in all its forms, and oddly, even deep sorrow, though I tend to shut it out until I am alone and can release it without an audience. My heart goes out to those of you that suffer so.

subfever -> RE: Falling off the edge of love. (7/31/2007 3:39:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck quote: It's patchwork. Their stuff's nothing better than sticking a tiny plaster on a gaping wound. Yet it's not innocuous! Like you and I and many others know, it covers up the essential aspects of the human experience. I am starting to think these drugs take away a lot of our impetus for living our lives. I don't see it as incurable. I see it as the medical field and pharmaceutical companies finds it easier to medicate than to actually delve into the problems from a psyche perspective. We are a fast food nation. We want fast cures, fast fixes. Why bother to address the actual problems when we can simply medicate and forget about them all together. I'm going to shut up now because I will go on a total rant here. Yeah, and cures stop the cash cow too.

kittinSol -> RE: Falling off the edge of love. (7/31/2007 3:46:00 PM)
Tigresse, as wonderfuly humane a post as ever: I'd tip my hat off to you were I wearing one. If we all accept the premise that our individual experiences are unique then we all agree there is no universal panacea to suffering. (I must say that codeine cough syrup is freely available in Switzerland, and that it's a dangerous thing [&:] )

subfever -> RE: Falling off the edge of love. (7/31/2007 4:02:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: camille65 There is simply no way I can manage without a heavy dose of zoloft (150mg) a day. If I drop it even by 25mg then BOOM I'm in trouble. It is irritating as hell dammit yes I'm ranting now uhhuh but I am tired of it all and really trapped in it. Clinical depression is not something you can pull yourself up by your bootstraps from. I despise the weakness of needing them. I despise the side effects. Can we say no orgasming in years? Geez... I don't envy you. I took Zoloft back in 1993 for a few months. Only 25mg, and it was hell. My tongue was so freaking dry, that I could light a match against it. My skin was so itchy, that I would scratch constantly. People must have thought I had body lice. And while I could manage and maintain an erection without a problem, I couldn't cum if my life depended on it. This didn't do much for the ego of my stunning girlfriend at the time, so I actually started faking it! When I complained about all the side effects, the doc said that it might help if we increase the dosage to 50mg! I stood up, politely told him "We're done here." I calmly stood up, and walked out... never to return. I decided to snap out of it, no matter what. I went home, flushed the pills down the toilet, and eventually recovered on my own. Now, I realize that my level of depression was probably on the lower end of the scale. Nevertheless, this was a classic case of side effects being far worse than the symptoms that the medication was supposed to treat!

LaTigresse -> RE: Falling off the edge of love. (7/31/2007 4:04:21 PM)
Thank you. I didn't want to come across as "I don't need that stuff so.....na na na na, but poor you" My adult daughter has suffered sooooo much and it is just pure agony to watch. Not really understanding, not able to DO anything to fix it. Nothing I can hug or kiss away, cannot lecture it away, just nothing.

Politesub53 -> RE: Falling off the edge of love. (7/31/2007 4:18:11 PM)
i had been taking Prozac for a few years after my father died, i was working 70 hours weeks and the firm i worked for went bust owing me quite a bit. Then i went to see someone i had met online, we cut a deal, no prozac while i was on vacation. That was over three years ago and i havent taken any since. my crutch ( calm down Ladies i mean prop ) is i still have a box if i want to go back to them. One thing that helped me is knowing its not just me who suffers, i am sure most people with depression or panic attacks thinks they are the only one. [;)]

kittinSol -> RE: Falling off the edge of love. (7/31/2007 4:20:06 PM)
An important point, subfever. SSRIs (the drugs that are the subject of the original post) are far less innocent than they are made out to be; the physical side-effects alone are unpleasant, but imagine feeling no empathy, no emotion, seeing the world as a two-dimensional thing, with no depth and no love. Shiver! Not wishing to sound like a conspiracy-theorist here, but it seems like they wouldn't mind turning a lot of us into boring buttless robots. Love is, after all, dangerous for the sharks of international finance. Perhaps it's time for us to have another go at the Revolution... let me take one last toke and I'll go and bake some cakes.

kittinSol -> RE: Falling off the edge of love. (7/31/2007 4:23:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 That was over three years ago and i havent taken any since. my crutch ( calm down Ladies i mean prop ) is i still have a box if i want to go back to them. Just make sure the pills aren't past their sell-by-date should you need to go back on them (not something I wish upon you, although Prozac is, in my experience, one of the least offensive SSRIs. Could that be why it's not covered by my new American health insurance, when Zoloft, and Paxil, are?).

subfever -> RE: Falling off the edge of love. (7/31/2007 4:36:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol An important point, subfever. SSRIs (the drugs that are the subject of the original post) are far less innocent than they are made out to be; the physical side-effects alone are unpleasant, but imagine feeling no empathy, no emotion, seeing the world as a two-dimensional thing, with no depth and no love. Shiver! I had just a mild taste of all that back then, and I never want to return! quote: Not wishing to sound like a conspiracy-theorist here, but it seems like they wouldn't mind turning a lot of us into boring buttless robots. What's wrong with conspiracy-theorists? Some of them are my very best friends... [;)] quote: Love is, after all, dangerous for the sharks of international finance. I know that thinkers are dangerous for the international banksters, but I've never heard that love is. You gotta fill me in on that one! quote: Perhaps it's time for us to have another go at the Revolution... Oooouu yeah... wait... let me crank it up: You say you wanna revolution Well you know... We all wanna change the world quote: let me take one last toke and I'll go and bake some cakes. Just don't bogart... leave enough to pass over... [;)]

Politesub53 -> RE: Falling off the edge of love. (7/31/2007 4:40:06 PM)
Thanks for the advice kittinsol.... i guess they are more of a visual aid than anything else. [;)]

domiguy -> RE: Falling off the edge of love. (7/31/2007 5:14:36 PM)
I would like to add a thought that shows my compassion towards the plight and the suffering of others.

SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: Falling off the edge of love. (7/31/2007 5:30:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subfever quote: ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck quote: It's patchwork. Their stuff's nothing better than sticking a tiny plaster on a gaping wound. Yet it's not innocuous! Like you and I and many others know, it covers up the essential aspects of the human experience. I am starting to think these drugs take away a lot of our impetus for living our lives. I don't see it as incurable. I see it as the medical field and pharmaceutical companies finds it easier to medicate than to actually delve into the problems from a psyche perspective. We are a fast food nation. We want fast cures, fast fixes. Why bother to address the actual problems when we can simply medicate and forget about them all together. I'm going to shut up now because I will go on a total rant here. Yeah, and cures stop the cash cow too. Quite. A couple of years ago I went in for my usual physical and my doc commented that I looked like shit (jokingly). I burst into tears and couldn't stop sobbing for about a half hour. A myriad of things were involved ... dealing with 5 deaths in a 6 month period. A breast biopsy followed by lumpectomy and a major surgery that had me returning to work in 3 days (rather than the 2 weeks off that he had told me to take). Working 80-90 hour weeks. General unhappiness with where I was at in life. I hadn't talked to anyone in months about any of it. I just sucked it up and shouldered on. I rarely cry in front of anyone so bursting into tears like that kind of shook me. He suggested an anti depressant. I don't like to take Tylenol and here he was pushing me into taking a chemically altering subtance. I walked out with a purse full of freebies, a script and asked to try it for 6 months. Oh yeah, it was peachy. I pretty much went numb. I became forgetful. I could go through an entire day and not remember what I had for lunch 4 hours earlier. I felt like a zombie and had the worst mood swings. Granted I admit I'm a Bitch to begin with but...holy cow. Words would spew from my mouth I truly couldn't believe I was actually saying, nor could I seem to control. Solution? Change the dosage. Effect? It got worse. After 4 months and 3 dosage changes I just quit taking the stuff. It wasn't doing anything but making me more miserable, not to mention creating havoc and chaos in my life. The side effects truly were worse than the causation of taking it to begin with. I dealt with the things I needed to deal with. Resigned my position and went to school and pretty much just got my shit together. I went back a year later for my next annual physical and he was amazed at the change. He was really impressed with how well the medication was working. Until I sat him down and told him I hadn't taken it in 8 months. "Oh, I see, well Ok, as long as you're feeling ok. Then I wouldn't take it either." I'm not saying this is the case for everyone. I know that there are people that truly need these types of medication to function in life. I am speaking purely from my own personal experience here and not judging anyone that does need these types of medications in any way. Believe me, those months before and during the medication being taken were frightening. I've never been through something like that before and I hope that I never will have to again. I think that instead of actually getting to the root of the problem (in my case) he simply encouraged me to medicate. I have a huge problem with that. I have a huge problem with medication being dealt out willy-nilly as a panacea to all our ills without further delving into the root cause of the problems at hand. Yes, it takes time and work to solve those problems and issues. It isn't easy nor is it cheap. However I think in the long term it would be much less expensive than simply handing out medications like they are candy to simply dampen down the emotions. end rant....you may return to your regularly scheduled debate.

kittinSol -> RE: Falling off the edge of love. (7/31/2007 5:40:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy I would like to add a thought that shows my compassion towards the plight and the suffering of others. It's about love, not suffering, though one sometimes follow from the other. Whack. Stomp. PS: added the stomp for those that like them.

kittinSol -> RE: Falling off the edge of love. (7/31/2007 5:44:25 PM)
May I ask how the medication you were taking affected your ability to feel? And was it an SSRI?

domiguy -> RE: Falling off the edge of love. (7/31/2007 5:45:02 PM)
Still trying to add a thought of compassion.....A little help?

kittinSol -> RE: Falling off the edge of love. (7/31/2007 5:48:46 PM)
What can I do for you, domi? I have empathy. Too much of it: I cried over the fat Welsh bloke who sang Nessun Dorma on the ITV 'Next best British Idol' or whatever it was contest that was posted up here today. Goes to show I can even feel empathy for you: it's what love's all about. Shoot away: just, not in my eyes, okay?

Rockwell -> RE: Falling off the edge of love. (7/31/2007 6:32:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy Still trying to add a thought of compassion.....A little help? For cash up front - I'll write you a prescription. "Compassion" in a bottle. A little help from your friends. I don't know what the fuck to say on this thead either. Nice to meet you, man. Uh, guy.

Rockwell -> RE: Falling off the edge of love. (8/1/2007 12:14:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy Girlfriend in an over medicated coma. Found your compassion. ( Don't leave it here) Compassion or self preservation? Oops dere it is. Just joking around. No offense meant. You are funny. over, Zac

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