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cyberdude611 -> The importance of physical appearance (7/27/2007 10:41:33 PM)

Has anyone ever watched those hidden camera TV shows where they dress someone up as a nerd or overweight and they either try to apply for a job or ask someone out for a date? It is actually quite amazing and unbelieveable the excuses the person being asked come up with... And then they get someone who either looks very good or dresses well to do the same thing and the people being asked act completely different and much more receptive.

I think people claim that looks are not that imporant, but it seems when push comes to shove, physical appearance seems to play more imporantance than people admit even to themselves. We are living in a very visual society where looks seem to be the primary focus. And this is not a good thing....

I was reading some statistics that are very alarming. 81% of 10-12 year olds say they have a fear of gaining weight. 1 out of 5 women will experience some form of an eating disorder at some point in their lives. 40% of male high school football players have some form of disordered eating. Psychologists also link society's obsession with appearance to many cases of depression. In one survey, over 50% of women aged 18-25 would prefer "to be ran over by a truck" than be fat. Over 22% of women in college are bulimic.
And it is more than a mental health problem....this is a social problem. Eating disorders are almost non-existant outside the western world.

I think this is one reason why our society really isn't very healthy right now. Not just physically unhealhty, but also mentally unhealthy. We have become a society obsessed with streroid-pumping wrestlers, overpaid athletes, unintelligent and spoiled celebs, and stick-thin fashion models. Our kids are being drugged with all sorts of anti-depressants and stuff like Ritalin and Adderall. More and more people are addicted to prescription drugs. 

Its a very unhealthy culture right now.




dcnovice -> RE: The importance of physical appearance (7/27/2007 10:51:43 PM)

Mother always said I'd be very attractive
When I grew up, when I grew up.
"Different," she said, "With a special something
And a very, very personal flair."

Now, "different" is nice, but it sure isn't pretty.
Pretty is what it's about.
I never met anyone who was "different"
Who couldn't figure that out.

-- A Chorus Line




popeye1250 -> RE: The importance of physical appearance (7/27/2007 11:22:01 PM)

Cyberdude, no shit?
"SWM 56, 6'0", 220lbs, br/bl, homeowner, ret. military, easy to get along with seeks Fat, 500 lbs SWF who is alergic to soap.
Stringy hair with cooties a plus!
You should be able to eat more than 6 big men in one setting, wear size 70 pants,  have dripping, oozing sores on your back, constant thigh rash (yum, yum) .
Chronic nose pickers a big plus! (You must EAT the boogers too.)
Must like "grazing" in the supermarket and be a "Cattle Rustler", ( Be able to stuff 10 rib eye steaks down your pants.)
Be very "fashion conscious" -if it says "State of Maine" on the back of your shirt we need to talk!"
Yeah you're right, why on God's green earth would I want one of those "Supermodels" anyway?
Isn't it true that good looking women , "don't have any brains or personalities?"
Silly me!




SexyRed -> RE: The importance of physical appearance (7/27/2007 11:25:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Cyberdude, no shit?
"SWM 56, 6'0", 220lbs, br/bl, homeowner, ret. military, easy to get along with seeks Fat, 500 lbs SWF who is alergic to soap.
Stringy hair with cooties a plus!
You should be able to eat more than 6 big men in one setting, wear size 70 pants,  have dripping, oozing sores on your back, constant thigh rash (yum, yum) .
Chronic nose pickers a big plus! (You must EAT the boogers too.)
Must like "grazing" in the supermarket and be a "Cattle Rustler", ( Be able to stuff 10 rib eye steaks down your pants.)
Be very "fashion conscious" -if it says "State of Maine" on the back of your shirt we need to talk!"
Yeah you're right, why on God's green earth would I want one of those "Supermodels" anyway?
Isn't it true that good looking women , "don't have any brains or personalities?"
Silly me!


Please, that imagery...ewwwwwwwwwwwwww




cyberdude611 -> RE: The importance of physical appearance (7/27/2007 11:39:30 PM)

Sure it can also be looked at the other way.... 60% of Americans are overweight for example.

But Im talking about normal... The average American woman is 5'4" and 140 pounds. The average fashion model is 5'11 and 117 pounds and that means that the women in magazines are thinner than 98% of women in the US. That's an impossible standard we are pushing our youth towards that is not achievable.




Lordandmaster -> RE: The importance of physical appearance (7/27/2007 11:43:50 PM)

Sounds good to me.  Take some measures to make it harder for doctors just to put kids on Ritalin.

Oh, but then the drug companies would complain.

And that's where, judging from our past conversations, I'd say you and I disagree about what comes next.

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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

Our kids are being drugged with all sorts of anti-depressants and stuff like Ritalin and Adderall. More and more people are addicted to prescription drugs. 

Its a very unhealthy culture right now.




popeye1250 -> RE: The importance of physical appearance (7/27/2007 11:45:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

Sure it can also be looked at the other way.... 60% of Americans are overweight for example.

But Im talking about normal... The average American woman is 5'4" and 140 pounds. The average fashion model is 5'11 and 117 pounds and that means that the women in magazines are thinner than 98% of women in the US. That's an impossible standard we are pushing our youth towards that is not achievable.


Cyberdude, sure it's "acheivable!"
Ever hear of a fast pickup truck and a long rope?




UtopianRanger -> RE: The importance of physical appearance (7/28/2007 4:05:11 AM)


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Has anyone ever watched those hidden camera TV shows where they dress someone up as a nerd or overweight and they either try to apply for a job or ask someone out for a date?



It's right there in front of your face and you can't even see it.

I'll tell ya what.....if Americans dumped their television sets, turned that room---which formely housed the television--- into a reading room, and spent half the time they normally would watching television, reading.....and then the other half excercising, this country would have a whole lot less fat people.

In both a physical and mental sense.....the television is the most oppressive weapon on this planet.



quote:


Sounds good to me.  Take some measures to make it harder for doctors just to put kids on Ritalin.

Oh, but then the drug companies would complain.

And that's where, judging from our past conversations, I'd say you and I disagree about what comes next.



On the money, LaM.  Popeye mentioned surrounding the Whitehouse with thirty thousand angry civilians -- I'd like to see a dry, practice run on both the pharmaceutical and petroleum industries headquarters. [;)]




- R




SeeksOnlyOne -> RE: The importance of physical appearance (7/28/2007 6:51:08 AM)

looks are important to many.......some are attracted by eyes, some by hair, some by attitude, and some by the total package......

as a fat chick, working to get healthier, i have seen attitudes change towards me as i gained weight.....my true friends are not included in this, but i notice some people wont even look at me-like theyre afraid its catchy(maybe it is, according to another thread on here).  i am lucky to have a job i love now for 14 years, as i know my obesity would hurt me looking for a new job......and i know folks sometimes absolutely ignore my opinions, just because of my looks....

and i am as guilty as the next person of seeing a fat, nasty looking person and thinking ewwwwww........i think were conditioned to do that by society, or maybe were born with it-who knows.......

i wish everyone could spend a day in the body of a fat person, an ugly person, a too skinny person, a person who hates their frizzy hair, a person who hates their straight hair......

some days, if i start getting down and losing my focus on getting healthier, i just remember all the gorgeous, rich folks who are miserable, and i get back to happy......

one thing i do not understand is why so many fat chicks are bitter towards everyone......i tried a couple of "bbw" chat rooms and was amazed at how ugly the outlook on life was for most in there.....bitterness is ugly, no matter what package it is wrapped in.......

i know i come off as a happy person, because i am one.......i have many friends and acquaintances, whom i adore, and they adore me......i work harder at being well groomed, because being nasty, at any weight is just....well.....gross.....

every time i get on the scales and theres another pound gone, i feel better about reaching my goals.........but i also know yes looks matters, and i pray these years spent in the body of a fat chick, after being quite the hottie for years, will somehow make me a better person in the long run......

having reached the mid 40's now, i can say i love me more than ever......i am content with who i am inside finally, and thus have found the will to work on the outside.......i just hope, when the outside is as i wish it to be, i wont have the urge to kick some folks in the teeth who will suddenly notice me, because the outside is different, even though the inside, the core and soul, the essence of me, will remain the same........

what was the question again? [;)]





ELUSIVE1 -> RE: The importance of physical appearance (7/28/2007 7:03:03 AM)

Looks are important...anyone who says different isn't being honest-maybe noteven with himself...as long as you do the best that you can with the looks you are given, there is a good chance someone will find you attractive...and yes it definitely is the "Whole Package"....thank goodness while I was growing up my mother always told me "Pretty Is, as Pretty Does"...think on that a while....




sleazybutterfly -> RE: The importance of physical appearance (7/28/2007 7:24:38 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Cyberdude, no shit?
"SWM 56, 6'0", 220lbs, br/bl, homeowner, ret. military, easy to get along with seeks Fat, 500 lbs SWF who is alergic to soap. Because I am overweight you assume I don't use soap?  I am very clean, and I always smell very nice.  My hair is very nice, shiny, and clean.  My skin is not oily, with two beauty marks.  A thin person can be just as nasty as any fat person.  I have seen some that just give me the ickys all over.  That has to do with the way you were raised and the value you put on those things, not what the scale says.  Btw, my Master is a homeowner, in shape, and retired military.  He loves me the way I am, but I also make sure I take care of the way I look.
Stringy hair with cooties a plus!  When the new pic comes up, take a look at the hair, don't think you will see it as stringy, or a cootie anywhere near it.
You should be able to eat more than 6 big men in one setting, wear size 70 pants,  have dripping, oozing sores on your back, constant thigh rash (yum, yum) .Dripping sores?  I don't know the kind of women you have seen, but I don't have anything on my back but two sexy tatts.  Thigh rash?  Again, has to do with clothes and hygiene.
Chronic nose pickers a big plus! (You must EAT the boogers too.) Haven't picked my nose since I was in preschool.  I did see a model type in the car next to me yesterday, just digging away.  Goodness, that was sexy.[:'(]
Must like "grazing" in the supermarket and be a "Cattle Rustler", ( Be able to stuff 10 rib eye steaks down your pants.) Grazing in the supermarket is against the law.  It's called stealing, and that is something I don't do, fat or not.  I also don't eat meat, so the ribeyes are out of the question.  Maybe a couple apples and a pack of tofu though.[;)]
Be very "fashion conscious" -if it says "State of Maine" on the back of your shirt we need to talk!" My clothes are nice, and I refuse to wear anything with writing on it, unless it is a brand name.  I can dress in anything from high fashion, to jeans and always be neat and a lady.  That is unless I am in a slutty mood..then I can dress that way for him also.
Yeah you're right, why on God's green earth would I want one of those "Supermodels" anyway? Why would they want one of you?  They can get George Clooney, Brad Pitt..and a host of the hot guys out there.  We want who we want, because that is who we are attracted to.  One persons thing isn't another.  I love my Master and to me is the most handsome man in the world.  It's everything about him that adds up to that, including his intelligence and quality of being.  A person can be beautiful on the outside and ugly as sin on the inside.  That goes both ways, I know a lot of mean "ugly" people also.
Isn't it true that good looking women , "don't have any brains or personalities?" Some of the smartest people I know are beautiful, myself included.  You only have others think of you, what you think of yourself.  There is a difference though between knowing you are a person of value, and thinking your shit doesn't stink.  Might want to keep that in mind when the subs are beating down your door.
Silly me!


I am in therapy for bulima, had it for five years.  My life is getting better every single day and the new way I am eating is working wonders.  I have no doubt I will probably turn more heads when I am thin and that is fine with me.  I will still only have eyes for the man that has loved me through it all.
 
I am not happy with my weight, I worried about my health, I am taking care of it.  I ate too much, I messed my metabolism up with the bulimia.  It is taking me time to reverse all of that, but I am sure there are ones out there like you that see me and assume they know what I eat on a daily basis and think I sit and watch tv all day.  If that is how you want to judge, there is nothing I can do to change your mind. 
 
A list of my day though, if you are interested.:
 
Get up at 5:30, let the animals out, make Master breakfast.  Spend time with him.
 
Get him off to work, do the dishes, clean the kitchen from breakfast. 
 
I then start on the laundry (downstairs in the basement) avg 2-3 loads a day, depending on what we had going on the day before.
 
I then take a shower, get all clean and fresh..slap the ipod on and take a long walk.
 
I come home, make a light lunch..clean up afterward.
 
I then start to work cleaning the house, three floors of it..dusting and using the vacuum everday, the deeper cleaning once to twice a week.
 
I then allow myself time to read some in a book of my choice. 
 
I start dinner for Master, and make sure the house is ready for his return home.
 
We eat dinner, I then clean the kitchen up and get things ready for his lunch the next day.
 
I sit down with him to talk and perhaps watch some PBS.
 
We go to bed around 10 pm..either to sleep, or to do other things.
 
Get up next day, do it all over.
 
If I have everything done during the day, I will take a seat here and do some posting or catch up with friends on msngr.
 
A typical meal for me is something with tofu, soy meat sub, and lots of veggies.  I don't eat dairy, but I do have an activia yogurt because it's good for the tummy.  I drink water, tea, or a treat of diet soda.
 
 
Even when this wasn't the way I ate, I might eat a lot, but it wouldn't be 15 min I was hovering over a toilet getting rid of it.  I would walk around with my stomach so hungry I would almost pass out.  You would never have known that to look at me.  People judge others too quickly in this world.  Yes, fat people do usually eat more than others and are not as active.  The thing to remember though is just like thin people aren't all alike, neither are the fat ones.  The next one you could see might be the one who is trying not to pass out after bingeing and purging for one week straight 3 times a day.  The outside doesn't tell you a damn thing about the inside, we humans are wonderful at wearing masks..and probably fat people better at it than most.
 
And how the heck did I end up posting in another damn fat thread..or what will become one??  Dammit all to hell!!!!![;)]
 
 




BBBTBW -> RE: The importance of physical appearance (7/28/2007 7:34:09 AM)

Looks are important...However, we have to understand that what looks good to one may not look good to another.  I tend to find the more geeky type men the most attractive...yes pocket protector and all.  I am an UNDERDOG type person, I love them.   This is not to say that that I don't find other types attractive but I do like those geeky types.




SeeksOnlyOne -> RE: The importance of physical appearance (7/28/2007 7:37:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BBBTBW

Looks are important...However, we have to understand that what looks good to one may not look good to another.  I tend to find the more geeky type men the most attractive...yes pocket protector and all.  I am an UNDERDOG type person, I love them.   This is not to say that that I don't find other types attractive but I do like those geeky types.


how true-i have a dear friend that i KNOW, when she says "look at that hot dude" im gonna go ewwwwww.....and vice versa.......makes ya wonder how the brain is wired doesnt it?




ELUSIVE1 -> RE: The importance of physical appearance (7/28/2007 8:05:59 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BBBTBW

Looks are important...However, we have to understand that what looks good to one may not look good to another.  I tend to find the more geeky type men the most attractive...yes pocket protector and all.  I am an UNDERDOG type person, I love them.   This is not to say that that I don't find other types attractive but I do like those geeky types.

I agree completely,we all have different tastes. . . I prefer educated professionals...their mind is what is going to get and keep my attention, but along with that is the way they 'keep' themselves up physically...being well groomed is very important to me...




windchymes -> RE: The importance of physical appearance (7/28/2007 8:16:40 AM)

Just last night I read a personal ad (somewhere else) where the "refined and educated" gentlemen stated at the end of his profile that, "Sorry if this seems shallow, but ladies, if your dress size is in double digits, it's not going to work for me!" 

So, if you're a size 10, forget it, you just won't do.  I wanted to go through my computer and start screaming at him, but then remembered he really wasn't worth the effort, lol. 




SeeksOnlyOne -> RE: The importance of physical appearance (7/28/2007 8:24:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: windchymes

Just last night I read a personal ad (somewhere else) where the "refined and educated" gentlemen stated at the end of his profile that, "Sorry if this seems shallow, but ladies, if your dress size is in double digits, it's not going to work for me!" 

So, if you're a size 10, forget it, you just won't do.  I wanted to go through my computer and start screaming at him, but then remembered he really wasn't worth the effort, lol. 


see....that doesnt bother me.....if someone prefers a certain physical attrribute in relation to size.....just as i couldnt ever date someone shorter than me.......what bothers me is when my thoughts are discounted, or even the possibility of a friendship, just because im fat......

i have a certain type i want for a lover, but for a friend-who cares what they look like.....its not an issue in real life-but i have laughed at a joke or something on-line and had men actually IM or email me to tell me they wouldnt "dew" me cuz im fat-and all i can think is damn dude i thought ya was funny-i wouldnt "dew" you either-you aint my type.....

i think drinkin that whole pot of cawfee put my brain into high gear this am-lol-cuz even though these things piss me off-they amuse me too.....

i think its time for some herbal therapy.........happy saturday folks




sleazybutterfly -> RE: The importance of physical appearance (7/28/2007 8:35:28 AM)

I don't have a problem at all with what others find attractive.  One persons type probably isn't another, that is why there are so many different types of people in the world.  It's when people put others down for what they find attractive, or they group a whole bunch of people together by what they "think" everyone is like.
 
I look for something specific in the men and women that I have dated.  It might not be what someone else wants or thinks is hot, but it for sure gets me going.  I am not however going to put down the whole group that I don't find attractive in order to make myself feel better.




rimbaud -> RE: The importance of physical appearance (7/28/2007 8:59:20 AM)

Being overweight has so many health implications, a seeker can and should state his/her reservations honestly. If a poster is seeking an intimate relationship and not merely a friend, such a basic physical attribute is quite important, and it can be significant even for a friend. I just read of a study that found, over the long term, that indivdiuals with obese friends tended themselves to gain weight, surmising that having fat friends leads to a lessening of the distaste for being overweight. Besides leading to hypertension, diabetes, and a host of other maladies, excess weight is simply not attractive. Some primitive socieities take pride in having their women overweight because it supposedly shows that the man is wealthy enough to over feed them. Civilization has progressed beyond that stage. As medical costs are more and more spread out among the population (whether by insurance or Medicaid), maintaining a physical condition that leads inexorably to increased medical care becomes an antisocial act. Sorry, I won't be able to take the time to respond to all the yelps this may generate, but honesty is the best policy...
Cheers to all, light and heavy and in-between.
Arthur




rimbaud -> RE: The importance of physical appearance (7/28/2007 9:07:54 AM)

PS: I will examine replies that can tell me how to get rid of that vanilla cone attached to my message. I certainly didn't put it there, it's misleading, and ice cream is a big cause of excess weight (and excess cholesterol, too, although I don't agree that cholesterol has much to do with cardiovascular disease).
Arthur




SeeksOnlyOne -> RE: The importance of physical appearance (7/28/2007 9:10:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rimbaud

Being overweight has so many health implications, a seeker can and should state his/her reservations honestly. If a poster is seeking an intimate relationship and not merely a friend, such a basic physical attribute is quite important, and it can be significant even for a friend. I just read of a study that found, over the long term, that indivdiuals with obese friends tended themselves to gain weight, surmising that having fat friends leads to a lessening of the distaste for being overweight. Besides leading to hypertension, diabetes, and a host of other maladies, excess weight is simply not attractive. Some primitive socieities take pride in having their women overweight because it supposedly shows that the man is wealthy enough to over feed them. Civilization has progressed beyond that stage. As medical costs are more and more spread out among the population (whether by insurance or Medicaid), maintaining a physical condition that leads inexorably to increased medical care becomes an antisocial act. Sorry, I won't be able to take the time to respond to all the yelps this may generate, but honesty is the best policy...
Cheers to all, light and heavy and in-between.
Arthur


see, i agree with you on most of this......i have a pic on here and would never try to mislead anyone regarding my appearance....as for the health issues, i know obesity is unhealthy.....i have skinny friends who go to the dr more than me and less than me.....some have higher cholesterol and some lower.....

there are many folks who dont eat right, dont take care of them selves, and do not get fat......there are many fat folks who have good bp, not high cholesterol, etc......

all im saying is that outer packaging can be deceptive.......thin doesnt equal healthy.....nor does fat.....




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