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Clinton calls Obama "naive and irresponsible" - 7/24/2007 7:37:23 PM

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Obama debate comments set off firestorm
By TOM RAUM, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 8 minutes ago

Barack Obama's offer to meet without precondition with leaders of renegade nations such as Cuba, North Korea and Iran touched off a war of words, with rival Hillary Rodham Clinton calling him naive and Obama linking her to President Bush's diplomacy.

Older politicians in both parties questioned the wisdom of such a course, while Obama's supporters characterized it as a repudiation of Bush policies of refusing to engage with certain adversaries.

It triggered a round of competing memos and statements Tuesday between the chief Democratic presidential rivals. Obama's team portrayed it as a bold stroke; Clinton supporters saw it as a gaffe that underscored the freshman senator's lack of foreign policy experience.

"I thought that was irresponsible and frankly naive," Clinton was quoted in an interview with the Quad-City Times that was posted on the Iowa newspaper's Web site on Tuesday.

In response, Obama told the newspaper that her stand puts her in line with the Bush administration.

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RE: Clinton calls Obama "naive and irresponsible&q... - 7/24/2007 11:46:14 PM

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Well it also puts her in line with the Kenedy Administration, and the Carter Administration, and the Clinton Administration, as well as most Congresses led by the Democrats.

Obama is obviously (probably willingly) being used for her to triangulate towards the center. The question is will she be able to hold the left while doing so. Or will the Republicans crack and lose the Religous Right. It will be an interesting election for sure.

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RE: Clinton calls Obama "naive and irresponsible&q... - 7/25/2007 12:43:33 AM

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Ugh, I'm so tired of the mud slingingly. I want to hear the issues. I'm tired of the attacks politicans use on eachother to get elected expessially to those in their own party.

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RE: Clinton calls Obama "naive and irresponsible&q... - 7/25/2007 12:45:21 AM

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Casie, isn't how we deal with other nations an important issue?

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RE: Clinton calls Obama "naive and irresponsible&q... - 7/25/2007 8:23:01 AM

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While I am not ready to get behind "Billary" I will absolutely not follow or support O'Bama...anyone that had had any ANY exposure to THEOLOGY would see that we are indeed in a 'Holy War' and the last thing the USA needs is a Muslim in the White House ...a man whose religious 'core' embraces the concept that the'way to allah'is to rid the world of infidels...and who are infidels you ask?? christians,anyone who doesn't embrace the 'koran'...Hitler hid his 'hidden' agenda of a perfect race very well in early years of his regime too you know....and yes I would also question his motives and wonder about his loyalties if he did meet with leaders of prdominantly 'muslim' nations...

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RE: Clinton calls Obama "naive and irresponsible&q... - 7/25/2007 8:25:11 AM

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http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

Who cares who a hatemonger wouldn't vote for?

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RE: Clinton calls Obama "naive and irresponsible&q... - 7/25/2007 9:26:23 AM

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http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

Who cares who a hatemonger wouldn't vote for?

I have never been called a 'hatemonger' before,. however I do vote in every election and hope the American Public is not taken in by this phony baloney

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RE: Clinton calls Obama "naive and irresponsible&q... - 7/25/2007 9:43:16 AM

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While I am not ready to get behind "Billary" I will absolutely not follow or support O'Bama...anyone that had had any ANY exposure to THEOLOGY would see that we are indeed in a 'Holy War' and the last thing the USA needs is a Muslim in the White House ...a man whose religious 'core' embraces the concept that the'way to allah'is to rid the world of infidels...and who are infidels you ask?? christians,anyone who doesn't embrace the 'koran'...Hitler hid his 'hidden' agenda of a perfect race very well in early years of his regime too you know....and yes I would also question his motives and wonder about his loyalties if he did meet with leaders of prdominantly 'muslim' nations...

Obama is christian with a muslim name (his father was muslim). His wife is christian and they bring their children up in a christian belief system. Jesus wasn't a christian he was a Jew with a Jewish name. And yet Bush welcomes him into the White House daily. Stop spreading hate. You know that line about insanity? I don't see the foreign policy quite working so far. Might be time to spin the politics the other way. Might even regain your status in the world community.

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RE: Clinton calls Obama "naive and irresponsible&q... - 7/25/2007 9:51:30 AM

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While I am not ready to get behind "Billary" I will absolutely not follow or support O'Bama...anyone that had had any ANY exposure to THEOLOGY would see that we are indeed in a 'Holy War' and the last thing the USA needs is a Muslim in the White House ...a man whose religious 'core' embraces the concept that the'way to allah'is to rid the world of infidels...and who are infidels you ask?? christians,anyone who doesn't embrace the 'koran'...Hitler hid his 'hidden' agenda of a perfect race very well in early years of his regime too you know....and yes I would also question his motives and wonder about his loyalties if he did meet with leaders of prdominantly 'muslim' nations...

Obama is christian with a muslim name (his father was muslim). His wife is christian and they bring their children up in a christian belief system. Jesus wasn't a christian he was a Jew with a Jewish name. And yet Bush welcomes him into the White House daily. Stop spreading hate. You know that line about insanity? I don't see the foreign policy quite working so far. Might be time to spin the politics the other way. Might even regain your status in the world community.

I never used the word 'hate' nor do I hate anyone...and I will never get behind O'Bama...MHO...we are all entitled to one remember??

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RE: Clinton calls Obama "naive and irresponsible&q... - 7/25/2007 9:53:11 AM

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Casie, isn't how we deal with other nations an important issue?

Yes, it's a very important issue. However it can and should be talked about with out the bashing of a another canidate. If your view varies from another canidate you don't need to call them naive or irresponsible. We get that you have a differnt platform, and disagree with them maybe even strongly disagree.What point are you trying to get across by calling someone naive or irresponsible. What will the other do if they aren't the dem nominee? They will probably be voting for the person they bashed.

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RE: Clinton calls Obama "naive and irresponsible&q... - 7/25/2007 10:06:08 AM

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While I am not ready to get behind "Billary" I will absolutely not follow or support O'Bama...anyone that had had any ANY exposure to THEOLOGY would see that we are indeed in a 'Holy War' and the last thing the USA needs is a Muslim in the White House ...a man whose religious 'core' embraces the concept that the'way to allah'is to rid the world of infidels...and who are infidels you ask?? christians,anyone who doesn't embrace the 'koran'...Hitler hid his 'hidden' agenda of a perfect race very well in early years of his regime too you know....and yes I would also question his motives and wonder about his loyalties if he did meet with leaders of prdominantly 'muslim' nations...

Obama is christian with a muslim name (his father was muslim). His wife is christian and they bring their children up in a christian belief system. Jesus wasn't a christian he was a Jew with a Jewish name. And yet Bush welcomes him into the White House daily. Stop spreading hate. You know that line about insanity? I don't see the foreign policy quite working so far. Might be time to spin the politics the other way. Might even regain your status in the world community.

I never used the word 'hate' nor do I hate anyone...and I will never get behind O'Bama...MHO...we are all entitled to one remember??

...everyone is entitled to an opinion, however distorting yer actual facts in order to back up a prejudice is frankly unbecoming. Obama is a christian not a muslim.....your opinion is wrong and based on fantasy rather than fact.

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RE: Clinton calls Obama "naive and irresponsible&q... - 7/25/2007 10:14:48 AM

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I'm a HUGE Obama supporter (no the man is not Muslim), and I saw him in Birmingham, Alabama earlier this month. I saw Edwards when he came to Wake Forest, in North Carolina, and Clinton when she skirted through South Carolina a ways back, almost before the election campaigns began. From all I can tell up close and personal, Obama really reeks of authenticity. Edwards, in person, even though he touts about how he came from this really poor family, etc., etc., is one of the most pompous, out-of-touch people I've ever seen. The meat of what Clinton said was alright, but this was back before she had done a little voice training, and she still came off rather gristly and polarizing in her speech. She also sounded like a politician. Obama, though... Obama really seems real to me. I don't think he's been in politics long enough to be corrupted by it yet; at least not to the extent everyone else in the field has.

We always hear about how inexperience is a bad thing in politics. But is it? I mean... it seems that the longer someone has power or is in the political realm, the less admirable they become. Lincoln didn't exactly have an extensive repotoire (sp?) himself, but I think he did a decent job as President. Bush II had all the experience in the world, but it didn't really matter for very much at all.

Go Obama!

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RE: Clinton calls Obama "naive and irresponsible&q... - 7/25/2007 10:39:53 AM

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"What point are you trying to get across by calling someone naive or irresponsible." But she didn't, she said his policy proposals were naive and irresponsible. Which seems like a reasonable criticism of the policy proposal to me. If you feel a proposal is naive and irressponsible, there is no nice way to say it. Let Obama show why he feels it is a sound and responsible proposal. Hillary explained her position....

Holy Shit, I am defending Hillary?!?!? Must be a good day for hockey in Hell.....

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RE: Clinton calls Obama "naive and irresponsible&q... - 7/25/2007 10:59:34 AM

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While I am not ready to get behind "Billary" I will absolutely not follow or support O'Bama...anyone that had had any ANY exposure to THEOLOGY would see that we are indeed in a 'Holy War' and the last thing the USA needs is a Muslim in the White House ...a man whose religious 'core' embraces the concept that the'way to allah'is to rid the world of infidels...and who are infidels you ask?? christians,anyone who doesn't embrace the 'koran'...Hitler hid his 'hidden' agenda of a perfect race very well in early years of his regime too you know....and yes I would also question his motives and wonder about his loyalties if he did meet with leaders of prdominantly 'muslim' nations...

Obama is christian with a muslim name (his father was muslim). His wife is christian and they bring their children up in a christian belief system. Jesus wasn't a christian he was a Jew with a Jewish name. And yet Bush welcomes him into the White House daily. Stop spreading hate. You know that line about insanity? I don't see the foreign policy quite working so far. Might be time to spin the politics the other way. Might even regain your status in the world community.

I never used the word 'hate' nor do I hate anyone...and I will never get behind O'Bama...MHO...we are all entitled to one remember??

...everyone is entitled to an opinion, however distorting yer actual facts in order to back up a prejudice is frankly unbecoming. Obama is a christian not a muslim.....your opinion is wrong and based on fantasy rather than fact.

Using 'yer' in place of 'Your' shows a tremendous level of 'inteligence'...pffft...everyone is a 'product of their environment' during their 'formative' years..the truth is he was living in a 'Muslim' state in his early years and that culture had to affect the person he is today...I will stay 'closed minded' on this one because I will not be treated as subservient as most women in Muslim states are treated...and he first hand witnessed and lived in as a child..

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RE: Clinton calls Obama "naive and irresponsible&q... - 7/25/2007 11:04:41 AM

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http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

Who cares who a hatemonger wouldn't vote for?

I have never been called a 'hatemonger' before,..

Well judging from your posts, it was long overdue.

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RE: Clinton calls Obama "naive and irresponsible&q... - 7/25/2007 11:26:01 AM

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http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

Who cares who a hatemonger wouldn't vote for?

I have never been called a 'hatemonger' before,..

Well judging from your posts, it was long overdue.

people resortto 'namecalling' when 'intelligent' debate has wanned...really says something about you when you resort to namecalling in the very first response..

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RE: Clinton calls Obama "naive and irresponsible&q... - 7/25/2007 11:32:38 AM

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Name calling like 'Muslim'?

In the case of someone who repeatedly lies about someone else to smear them, 'hatemongering' is an accurate identification, not a false accusation.

Buh-bye.

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RE: Clinton calls Obama "naive and irresponsible&q... - 7/25/2007 11:51:32 AM

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Name calling like 'Muslim'?

In the case of someone who repeatedly lies about someone else to smear them, 'hatemongering' is an accurate identification, not a false accusation.

Buh-bye.

He was born Muslim and raised for his first few formative years in a Muslim state--if you think me calling anyone a 'Muslim' is hate-mongering then who is full of 'predjudice' now---I HAVE NEVER used 'Muslim" a 'smear' I mearely stated I choose not to vote for anyone with those core beliefs...

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RE: Clinton calls Obama "naive and irresponsible&q... - 7/25/2007 12:02:29 PM

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Casie, isn't how we deal with other nations an important issue?

Yes, it's a very important issue. However it can and should be talked about with out the bashing of a another canidate. If your view varies from another canidate you don't need to call them naive or irresponsible. We get that you have a differnt platform, and disagree with them maybe even strongly disagree.What point are you trying to get across by calling someone naive or irresponsible. What will the other do if they aren't the dem nominee? They will probably be voting for the person they bashed.

It may or may not be "an important issue."
And we certainly don't need to, "be dealing with every country" in the world.
Nor do we need nor should we have embasseys or consuls in every country in the world!
When they do that those embasseys or consuls end up becomming foreign aid or immigration outposts.
State Dept personel, "never met a foreign aid bill they didn't like."
The problem is that the State Dept instead of "representing the U.S. overseas" has become an *advocate* "for" foreign countries!
That's not part of their "job description."
And, they're incapable of sitting down with a foreign country and "cutting a deal" without "cutting a check!"
I don't like Hillary Clinton but she is right on this.
Senator Abadabba is naive in this.
The fewer countries we deal with the better.
This whole "foreign aid" type of philosophy in Washington fostered and cultivated by the lobbyists on "K" street needs to end!
Lobbyist; "Hello Congressman Kennedy, I'm Joe Smith, lobbyist from Jones & Jones and we think it would be a good thing to give foreign aid to the country of Berry Berry."
(What he's not saying is that Jones & Jones, the lobbyist firm stands to make 10's of millions of dollars in "commissions" should they be successful in basically *stealing* U.S. Taxpayer Dollars to give to the country of Berry Berry!)
Noone in Washington makes more money than lobbyists!
There are too many people in Washington making enourmous sums of money from "foreign aid" and most of that money just gets stolen anyway!
That's why the next President, whoever it is needs to outlaw lobbying firms!
Realistically, I just don't think that either Clinton or Abadabba will be elected President as they both voted for Bush's Amnesty Bill.
Just look at John "Amnesty" McCain's campaign.
GO RON PAUL!

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RE: Clinton calls Obama "naive and irresponsible&q... - 7/25/2007 12:09:01 PM

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we are indeed in a 'Holy War' and the last thing the USA needs is a Muslim in the White House ...a man whose religious 'core' embraces the concept that the'way to allah'is to rid the world of infidels...and who are infidels you ask?? christians,anyone who doesn't embrace the 'koran'...

I think it would be very good to have a Muslim for president but I don't think Obama's a Muslim.

However, who knows? He might push for higher levels of education. And ignorance, such as the one you so willingly displayed above, wouldn't be quite so widespread in America today.

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