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Bush is strategically setting the board for an American... - 7/22/2007 5:36:09 AM   
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http://www.roncan.com/iranwar.html

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Sounds about right to me. I've been ranting about the PNAC for some time now. It's all very worrying.

I don't really know who this Estanislao Carter guy is. This is the first I've seen of his commentary.

Personally, I like everything about Ron Paul except his stand on abortion. I just don't know that our country can function under the Constitution any longer - it's all gone too far I fear.

The Constitutional republic is the comforting lie they tell us in order to get us to accept a de facto plutocracy. That's reality.
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RE: Bush is strategically setting the board for an Amer... - 7/22/2007 6:08:19 AM   
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Bush is strategically setting the board to choke on another pretzel.
There is no need of a draft, we are winning the war of attrition.


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RE: Bush is strategically setting the board for an Amer... - 7/22/2007 6:12:31 AM   
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I personally believe that Bush is both totally out of control and also certifiably insane.  He needs to be out of office before he does any more damage. 

Once he is finally gone this govt. has a lot of work to do to restore any credibility it has left with the American public.  As citizens of this country we need to make sure that happens.  Right now, today,  we need to be writing our legislators and making our opinions known not that anyone has any control of Bush at this point.   

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RE: Bush is strategically setting the board for an Amer... - 7/22/2007 6:38:31 AM   
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As a loyal and true American, I'm glad SOMEONE is talking about preparing for the watering of the tree.
I'm just saddened to know there probably aren't enough enlightened men to ensure a better framework, and if ther eare, the zealots will probably pummel their way to a new tyrrany anyway.

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RE: Bush is strategically setting the board for an Amer... - 7/22/2007 7:01:17 AM   
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Uh...maybe we could go back and start using the constition and bill of rights?  We are getting a long ways away from the intent our founding fathers had. 

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RE: Bush is strategically setting the board for an Amer... - 7/22/2007 11:57:28 AM   
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sharainks:

I'm just saying that R. Paul is the only guy that wants to play the game that way. I don't know where that leaves us except at a stalemate - prez can't move, congress can't move, the plutocracy just waits it out.

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RE: Bush is strategically setting the board for an Amer... - 7/22/2007 12:09:13 PM   
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Churro, they said on the News that Ron Paul is the number one candidate who is "Googled" now.
*And, he's catching on like wildfire with younger voters!*
We really do need to pick *OUR* govt up and start shaking it!
I liked Ron Paul anyway but the more I read about him the more I like him and his philosophy!

P.S. I wouldn't be surprised at anything Bush does or says anymore.
Maybe now the anti-gun liberals and leftys will see the wisdom in the Second Amendment!
It's there for a reason!
Can you imagine 30 million heavily armed American Citizens encircling Washington some day!
All highways closed, communications cut. Water and sewer lines closed.

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RE: Bush is strategically setting the board for an Amer... - 7/22/2007 12:22:15 PM   
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I generally like Ron "Dr. No" Paul, but every now and then he says something that jst makes me say, "What the fuck?"
 
Iran has no intentions of firing a Moskit missile at a United States Navy ship in international waters, because Iran wants no part of a war with the United States. Such an act, could not be blamed on radical groups ... it would be an act of war, period.
 
The only way there will be a war with Iran, is if we just flat out invade them, and quite frankly, I seriously doubt the American people would allow such a thing, give the current mood.
 
I think Congressman Paul is running for election, and this was a very cool thing to say.

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RE: Bush is strategically setting the board for an Amer... - 7/22/2007 12:34:20 PM   
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Can you imagine 30 million heavily armed American Citizens encircling Washington some day!
All highways closed, communications cut. Water and sewer lines closed.


Easy there, Popeye, if you explode spinach will get everywhere. Be careful!



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RE: Bush is strategically setting the board for an Amer... - 7/22/2007 1:08:40 PM   
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quote:

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I personally believe that Bush is both totally out of control and also certifiably insane.  He needs to be out of office before he does any more damage. 

Once he is finally gone this govt. has a lot of work to do to restore any credibility it has left with the American public.  As citizens of this country we need to make sure that happens.  Right now, today,  we need to be writing our legislators and making our opinions known not that anyone has any control of Bush at this point.   


i totally disagree with anyone who says bush is stoopid or insane.

Think for a moment why you say that.  You and others say that based on the premise that the government is upposed to represent the people and basically good common sense in as much as what is good for this country.

That is not the case here.

Bush is frankly quite saavy and i will give you he has a big mouth that sink ships, but as far as the brain department is concerned he came in with an objective and as far as i am concerned he achieved his objectives, which of course have been dictated to other presidents but bush is an insider and did not need to be lead on a leash.

Read his EO's look at the piles of law suits against our constitutional government.  he waged war on the us behind the scenes to accompliush his agenda while coming off as an idiot because he is supporting HIS agenda and not that of the american people.

He simply does not give a shit for anything else..   Why is he not impeached?  Why have charges to impeach never been brought up?  Its because the rest of government is either "with" him or afraid of him.

Which of course means accidents for either them or family members.


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RE: Bush is strategically setting the board for an Amer... - 7/22/2007 1:12:12 PM   
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sharainks:

I'm just saying that R. Paul is the only guy that wants to play the game that way. I don't know where that leaves us except at a stalemate - prez can't move, congress can't move, the plutocracy just waits it out.


as far as i am concerend ron is our man!  its just to bad he has to run on a rep ticket rather than 3rd party to be viable


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RE: Bush is strategically setting the board for an Amer... - 7/22/2007 3:16:36 PM   
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http://www.roncan.com/iranwar.html

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Sounds about right to me. I've been ranting about the PNAC for some time now. It's all very worrying.

I don't really know who this Estanislao Carter guy is. This is the first I've seen of his commentary.

Personally, I like everything about Ron Paul except his stand on abortion. I just don't know that our country can function under the Constitution any longer - it's all gone too far I fear.

The Constitutional republic is the comforting lie they tell us in order to get us to accept a de facto plutocracy. That's reality.


There is so much idiocy on that link, that it bogles the mind.

Just two examples:

First we have the PNAC agenda

This clearly calls for a 3 - 4 front war. It calls for domination of resources and it calls for military oversight of those resources indefinitely. This has been the neocon controlling agenda even before Bush's Presidency.

He links to the "Rebuilding America's Defenses" white paper put out by a non-governmental think tank that discusses the US's strategic miitary doctrine.  The "3-4 front war" as he calls it, is little more than a call to return to a previous (i.e. Cold War era) level of military preparedness.  For decades, it was US strategic doctrine to be able to fight two full war theatres, along with one or two, or three small conflicts all at the same time.

Far from calling for war, it simply is calling for a return to that level of military capability.

But it sounds so much more alarming to say "the neocons want a 3-4 front war".  An emotional appeal to those already convinced of the "evilness of 'neocons'" and Bush.  In other words, he is using fear to cloud your mind, and get you to agree to his arguments that any clear minded, intelligent person wouldn't. 

Manipulation.

Sixth we have Bush's Executive Order outlawing war protest

This EO is written so generally, that it essentially kills the 5th Amendment

Ok, here is the full EO: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq (for those few of you who actually want to make your own minds up).

Here are excerpts from the article he relies on to make the claim that it "outlaws" war protest:

Bush Outlaws All War Protest In United States

According to Russian legal experts,  the greatest concern to the American people are the underlying provisions of this new law, and which, they state, are written 'so broadly' as to outlaw all forms of protest against the war. These provisions state:

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To the subsection of this new US law, according to these legal experts, that says "...the making of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services by, to, or for the benefit...", the insertion of the word 'services' has broad, and catastrophic, consequences for the American people in that any act deemed by their government to be against the Iraqi war is, in fact, supporting the 'enemy' and therefore threatens the 'stabilization of Iraq'.

In an even greater affront to the American people are the provisions of a law called The Patriot Act, and that should they run afoul of this new law they are forbidden to allow anyone to know about it, and as we can read as reported by the Seattle Times News Service:

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It is interesting to note, too, that this is not the first time that the United States has unleashed the brutal power of their government against its citizens to further their war aims and stifle domestic dissent,

Today, as the United States faces an imminent economic collapse, while at the same time its war bill has reached the staggering amount of $648 billion, one of the last freedoms the American people have had to protest their leaders actions against them, and other peoples in the World, has now been taken away from them, the freedom to speak and write in opposition to what is being done to them.  [emphasis added]

If you want to know anything about the crediblity of the site this comes from, just glance over the hompage: http://rense.com/

Again, he is using a manipulation tactic commonly used in propaganda - generating fear in order to cloud the mind, and cause a stampede to go the way the propagandists wishs.

Fear mongering.  Manipulation.

And you guys claim Bush does this?

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RE: Bush is strategically setting the board for an Amer... - 7/22/2007 3:22:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro

I don't really know who this Estanislao Carter guy is. This is the first I've seen of his commentary.



Occam's razor (!) says he is just an author trying to sell his books:  http://www.lulu.com/ealchemy

In other words, all his alarmist manipulation could likely be classified as marketing.

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RE: Bush is strategically setting the board for an Amer... - 7/22/2007 3:50:06 PM   
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Everybody is selling something.

Anyone that still defends Bush is just shoveling shit, FirmhandKY. The only question is: do you work for free?

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RE: Bush is strategically setting the board for an Amer... - 7/22/2007 4:39:56 PM   
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Churro, they said on the News that Ron Paul is the number one candidate who is "Googled" now.
*And, he's catching on like wildfire with younger voters!*



Perhaps they thought he is RuPaul? :)

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RE: Bush is strategically setting the board for an Amer... - 7/22/2007 4:46:27 PM   
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Everybody is selling something.

Anyone that still defends Bush is just shoveling shit, FirmhandKY. The only question is: do you work for free?


Who's defending Bush?

I'm simply against intellectual garbage.

Which the article's author (and you, apparently) wallow in.

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RE: Bush is strategically setting the board for an Amer... - 7/22/2007 5:06:26 PM   
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There is so much idiocy on that link, that it bogles the mind.



Oops!

... boggles ...

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RE: Bush is strategically setting the board for an Amer... - 7/22/2007 9:50:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro

http://www.roncan.com/iranwar.html

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Sounds about right to me. I've been ranting about the PNAC for some time now. It's all very worrying.

I don't really know who this Estanislao Carter guy is. This is the first I've seen of his commentary.

Personally, I like everything about Ron Paul except his stand on abortion. I just don't know that our country can function under the Constitution any longer - it's all gone too far I fear.

The Constitutional republic is the comforting lie they tell us in order to get us to accept a de facto plutocracy. That's reality.


Just read Jon Paul`s page,thanks for the link.

I really like this guy.

If he wasn`t a life long republican,I`d swear he was a liberal.He`s old school republican,not like these "neo-cons".

Peace

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RE: Bush is strategically setting the board for an Amer... - 7/22/2007 9:53:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

There is so much idiocy on that link, that it bogles the mind.



Oops!

... boggles ...

F



Don`t say "the" mind.You mean, it boggles your mind.
Speak for yourself....

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RE: Bush is strategically setting the board for an Amer... - 7/23/2007 5:00:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY


Oops!

... boggles ...

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Don`t say "the" mind.You mean, it boggles your mind.

Speak for yourself....


Some minds don't have the capacity to be "boggled".   The term "credulous" comes to mind.

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