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RE: Life Happens... - 7/6/2007 9:58:23 AM   
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So, what kind of consideration does one give for life situations?  Yesterday I found myself being berated quite harshly for acting so casual in a conversation with my online friend and I had.  It didn't even occur to me that during my discussion of how exhausted I am from moving in 90+ degree heat that I needed to be adding Sir to my every sentence.  Then he added that I should also be referring to myself as "this one" or "this sub".  I have occasionally spoken with him in the third person, but only occasionally, and now I am being reprimanded for not doing it all the time.  He also added that once I am collared -- which we have not even talked about -- I will refer to myself as "this slave" and will be referred to as "it".  What?

You have received some good advice here.  The guy that you are with does things "his" way.....It sounds like a load of crap to me but to each their own.

I don't need to be called sir or master for my sub to understand who is in charge....To me it is overkill and quite frankly boring...Just like everyone I know she calls me by my first name...97% of our conversations are about the mundane happenings of day to day life.  It's great!....subsusie, "Hey, I took a big shit today." ...Domiguy..."I'm happy for you."....That kind of stuff.

It sounds like the guy is moving you forward at his speed....Remember vanilla?  Can you imagine going out on a few dates with someone and they said, "When we're engaged...yadda yadda yadda..." ....I would be covertly trying to delete my number from her phone, while simultaneously  looking for the nearest exit... I would say something like, "So how's this "crazy thang" been working for you?"  Realizing that she has "locked up" her phone I would have no choice but to discreetly steal her sim card to avoid any further contact from her.

Choose wise, everyone is not the same...What I seek others would not find acceptable and vice versa.

There are few "rules" and find the person that fits.



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RE: Life Happens... - 7/6/2007 10:10:45 AM   
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97% of our conversations are about the mundane happenings of day to day life.  It's great!....subsusie, "Hey, I took a big shit today." ...Domiguy..."I'm happy for you."....That kind of stuff.

It sounds like the guy is moving you forward at his speed....Remember vanilla? 

Choose wise, everyone is not the same...What I seek others would not find acceptable and vice versa.

There are few "rules" and find the person that fits.

  

Thank you for your advice.  I really appreciate such a "down to earth" attitude about things.  Esepcially since I can honestly say that sometimes  taking a big shit is the highlight of my day! 

I think part of what I love about this lifestyle is that it encompasses so much and people's rules never have to be the same  - or even compatible.  Though I think I might be done fishing in this sea for a bit - until I am more sure in the kind of fish I am looking for, and more stable in my daily living (and get my Internet connection back.) 

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RE: Life Happens... - 7/6/2007 10:12:32 AM   
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I guess I could sum all of this up in the text message he sent me: 

Do not ever assume thyat I give a Damn about whether you are in a "submissive mood" or not. 


This would be a red flag for me and i'd immediately ask if we could sit down and discuss His meaning. Is it that He doesn't care if you're feeling like submitting, He'll take your submission whether you consent to submitting or not? Is it more along the lines of whether you feel like you're a submissive every moment of the day doesn't matter, you're still His submissive and will give Him the respect due to Him as your Dominant? Or is it something else entirely?

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I like the idea of having a power exchange dynamic that constantly exisits, with playtime a wonderful extension of that.  Communication was important in my vanilla relationships but now seems absolutely vital to one with D/s or otherwise involved.  Working together seems to be the key - not just working for what One desires.  I think it's an awful responsiblity to be a Dom/Domme...


This is correct. Communication is one of the most important things in any relationship, but most especially in the lifestyle. If we don't communicate with the other person/people in the relationship, it will go downhill, fast. The sub/slave of the relationship needs to know what is expected...the Dominant in the relationship needs to know what is happening with the sub/slave. Keeping everyone on the same page is vital to keeping a dynamic alive. Leaving things open to questions only creates trouble in a relationship.

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Yes, I want a happy and calm life, and I feel like I work very hard to achieve this.  I have a hard time with someone who would add to this anxiety fully knowing my situation in life.  How, during a time of great stress, could someone find satisfaction in adding to  that stress?  I am not afraid of a harsh task-master, but is being thus incompatible with being caring and understanding as well?


The best Masters are caring and understanding while being strict and holding us to high expectations. They know that there are times when we have to work overtime and come home to sick kids who need more attention, or the fridge has a meltdown and the dog runs away leaving the kids crying for their pet and needing more hugs than normal. Life happens and the best Masters are always right there for Their girls when needed because They know Their girls are right there for Them when They need them. A harsh task-Master doesn't have to be an uncaring ass. He can also be One who has an ear to listen and a shoulder to cry on if need be. They know such things inspire trust, respect, and devotion. What Master doesn't want a devoted sub/slave that trusts and respects Him?

You'll have to make a decision regarding this Dom you're talking with. If He cannot inspire trust, respect, and devotion in you because He cannot understand that life happens and sometimes you just need Him to listen and comfort you, are you willing to live with that?

i wish you well

-santalia{JR}

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RE: Life Happens... - 7/6/2007 10:35:49 AM   
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What is most important to you?

beth.
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Could you explain this to me?  How?  What do you mean?  What is most important to you, how do you communicate that,
It turns out that the answer to your question had a negative impact on others in my life. The answer is, whenever a situation comes up in life that has the potential of disruption, I respond to it by considering the most important thing in my life and responding to the situation with that as the first and foremost consideration.

In other words, any crossroad decision of consequence has been considered based upon its impact to my relationship with beth. There is no compromising that concept. The "sacrifice" consideration comes at the expense of others, not her. It maybe business, friends, distant or close family; and that primary consideration doesn't waver. I put "sacrifice" in quotes because although the term as a reference applies, the reality is there is no sacrifice on my part. It is really a selfish decision. My relationship with her, serves me fully. The sacrifice would be if I allowed something else to superseded that focus.

There are some who would argue that someone with that commitment would "understand". Maybe so, I know beth would understand if I allowed something to take on more importance than her for a short period of time. But why should she have to? As I toasted at our wedding announcing my position. I loved and respected every family member there. I enjoyed the company of the friends in attendance, and those who couldn't be there. I appreciated that my business put me in a position to enjoy some nice things in life. However - assigning priority or importance to any - I told them they were all tied for second place. beth is my number one consideration. 

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what do you expect from those that would be a part of your life?
This was the most difficult part for me. I expect reciprocity. The verbal commitment to reciprocity was easy to obtain. It has occurred often in the past in relationships prior to beth. However in all previous cases, it was conditional. Reciprocity was given as long as..... (fill in the blank). The blank may have been money, location, or any other qualifying condition. beth was the first and only example I can point to in my life who has given unconditional reciprocity.

Trust is not easy to get and should not be given. It needs to be earned. After you find someone who earned it, and confirms it every day - use every opportunity to be with that person. Don't inhibit your passion or temper your effort trying to placate someone/something else. "Life Happens..."? Sure it does. It will "happen" whether you are ready for it or not, and no amount of planning will have you ready for everything. Strength to get through life is having a foundation that can never contribute anything but positive "life happens" support.

Lacking another person or relationship to serve you can have the same focus on a goal - any goal. Once you have it, anything that doesn't get you closer to it should be considered a distraction and avoided as much as possible. It's as easy as saying so to people who try to complicate and distract you from that goal. Serving a goal requires as much focus as serving another person or relationship and should be treated seriously.

I've been fortunate to find beth. I hope the same for you, and suggest when you find it, to prioritize that relationship.

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RE: Life Happens... - 7/6/2007 10:48:59 AM   
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Merc, that was a very nice thought...You ol' softy, you.

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RE: Life Happens... - 7/6/2007 11:10:59 AM   
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the one and only man i have served in a D/s relationship was called by his first name by me....eventually, i had asked if he wanted a more formal name to be used and he said  he liked the way his name sounded coming out of my lips......

before we got too deeply into it, we discussed what i would and would not submit to him on....since this was purely mind and physical submission, with no chance of becoming 24/7, i clearly told him you may not tell me how to handle my son, my job, or my money, nor may you take me away from my friends whom i adore......

we moved on from there....and it was beautiful......we would talk or meet, and later he would tell me something like "i was going to bend you over and fuck you til you cried, but i changed my mind when i saw your eyes"....this he would share with me only after he changed his course for that evening and we were parting......

has he ever called me and fussed at me, knowing i was upset because "real-life" had crept in, i would have walked away immediately i suspect........but he always took me right where i needed to be-whether i realized it at the moment or not........he always dominated my mind, but he seemed to perfectly know just how far to push and when to be gentle.....

i guess what i am trying to say is i was never yelled at, never belittled, never made to feel bad about my self.....it just flowed, even when he was correcting me for something.....

and for me at least, thats what i expect should i find another.........the things you speak of would make me run for the hills...

good luck....

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RE: Life Happens... - 7/6/2007 11:21:14 AM   
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I wouldn't permit what most people call 'real life' from interfering with those things I consider most important.  I keep what I do streamlined to prevent anything of the sort from occurring.


Could you explain this to me?  How?  What do you mean?  What is most important to you, how do you communicate that, what do you expect from those that would be a part of your life?  What is most important to you?


I haven't seen too many of the other responses, but I'll wager that when most people consider 'real life' that gets in the way of their relationships, they're speaking of family, friends, jobs, responsibilities, sickness, the lot.

Like I said originally, I streamline all that.  Anything that isn't relevant to me and/or a relationship of my choosing was cut out ages ago.  Yep, I have a job I go to 5 days a week, but I make certain it doesn't infringe on MY real life any more than it has to.

I'm in a relationship now, and even though we're not physically together full-time 'yet', I've shown that I'm 'there' for her every moment we desire.  We've been together on average every three weeks, but even hundreds of miles apart we chat daily, and I'm 'there' upon waking and after bedtime daily.

We've talked about having a family of our own, but only under the terms that in doing so we will not have to adjust our dynamic at all.  Fortunately I can say that this was not imposed by either of us, but how we each individually wanted things to be carried out.

I've been privileged over the years to be able to distance myself in the particulars of how I live from anyone I've met, lifestyle or otherwise.  What I do with my home environment works for me, and fortunately does for my partner as well.  To water myself down to fit in in another sort of environment would not be fair to me, which would ultimately be reflected on a partner as well.  As I said, I'm glad that I don't need to.

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RE: Life Happens... - 7/6/2007 1:08:46 PM   
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I think everyone has to set their own priorities and communicate them well to their partner.  If you don't like the idea of speaking in the third person, let him know.  If he insists and it's a problem for you then maybe he isn't the dom for you.

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RE: Life Happens... - 7/6/2007 2:30:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: hotwater07

I guess I could sum all of this up in the text message he sent me: 

Do not ever assume thyat I give a Damn about whether you are in a "submissive mood" or not. 


This would be a red flag for me and i'd immediately ask if we could sit down and discuss His meaning. Is it that He doesn't care if you're feeling like submitting, He'll take your submission whether you consent to submitting or not? Is it more along the lines of whether you feel like you're a submissive every moment of the day doesn't matter, you're still His submissive and will give Him the respect due to Him as your Dominant? Or is it something else entirely?


-santalia{JR}



That is the problem with the written word, it can be interpreted in so many vastly different ways.

Granted she is not his slave at this point (not collared) but my Master/Daddy has said similar thingss to me.

Once about 5 months ago when we were moving and i was packing everything in the place by myself and cleaning it all up,.I was going through alot of emotional upheaval due to the move (to another state) and my Master/Daddy was hanging out watching sports (he had done his part, the setting up of the move and the financial part, finding the new place etc)...i was so overwrought with everything that i said to my Daddy "Daddy i don't want to be a slave today." To which he responded, "Baby, that isn't an option, you are the slave."

Other times it has come out more closely to what the OPs Dominant said (but not uite the same)

The thought is not that the "s" is not cared about or for but that they have consented to be submissive and regardless of the mood at the time the dynamic is what it is. i can not want to be a slave because i am upset or something, but my mood really doesn't matter much, i can tell my Daddy what's going on in me and be respectful about it and stuff but i am still the slave.


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RE: Life Happens... - 7/6/2007 3:33:36 PM   
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Whomever gets me gets *me* - which means a woman who is a small business owner, has responsibilities to her dearest friends, eleventy-million UMs (they don't live full time with me, but I am their Mother, and they are among my highest priorities), the cat, my hobbies, my distractions, my sleep habits, yadayadayada.

These Life happenings and responsibilities don't give me a free pass to ignore the wants, needs and expectations of my Lover (when I have one), nor do similar issues on his part, give him a free pass to ignore my wants, needs and expectations... which is why I'm really picky about who I share my Life with, and make sure we have a similar perspective on the general chaos that swirls around my busy exsistance, prior to dealing with the whole power dynamic thing.

In other words- expecting me to check in by phone 3 times a day/behave pretty much as always, regardless of a move, etc- even if it's a pain in the ass and I get less sleep/whatever? No problem. Nag me about honorific titles and third-person-speak as I'm dealing with the mover's dropping/destroying a family heirloom? HUGE problem.

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RE: Life Happens... - 7/6/2007 4:09:28 PM   
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I will be the first to admit to that I'm selfish, demanding and someone who holds those I choose to share my life with to a high degree of expectation. However I also have the capacity of being reasonable, compassionate and understanding when the outside influences of life take temporary precedence. Trust me when I say that patience is not at all my strong suit. However the reasoning side of My brain has to take over and remind me of what is truly important.

While I don't own anyone YET I can give you an idea of the type of D/s relationship I hold as the ideal.

The reality is this...how can I expect someone to be at the best of service when a possible career changing project is due, or a business meeting means that he'll be out of the country for several weeks? It simply isn't reasonable for Me to expect the same level of service at those times as I do at others. It doesn't mean he's any less submissive or I'm any less Dominant. It simply means that the physical actions that usually set forth to manifest his submission aren't possible. While I can't expect him to be physically kneeling at the door awaiting my arrival when he's in another country, but he can do so mentally.

While those other things may take momentary priority, it is my belief that the undercurrent of D/s exists regardless of what else is occurring. The actual play, and physical actions of submission, may take a back seat for a short period of time. The mindset and the knowledge of what place each individual holds within the dichotomy is not something that is ever forgotten while Life happens.

The power and strength of My Domination over another is in the ability to take the outside influences into consideration and understanding. To be logical and reasonable. To delegate his duties accordingly. My needs and wants may not be the priority at that moment. his career and responsibilities outside of the relationship may be what he needs to be focused on. That focus elsewhere only serves Me more advantageously in the end. There's that whole selfish thing again.

Does that make it any less of a D/s relationship or dynamic? Not, in my opinion it doesn't. Because I know that his service and his submission to Me is based within his heart and in his soul. Just as My Dominance is in regard to him. It is quite simply the basis of who and what he is and the basis of who and what I am. It is an undercurrent that exists continually, constantly, throughout every moment of every day regardless of what else is happening at any given moment. I know that when the momentary distraction is concluded, that laser sharp focus will turn back towards Me. Just as it should be.

Merc...you are amazing. Truly, amazing. Your previous post literally took my breath away. That interaction of reciprocity is exactly what I strive to find. The relationship you share with beth is so very rare, but I have the deeply held belief that it is out there for Me as well, mainly due to your example. Thank you.

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RE: Life Happens... - 7/6/2007 4:13:31 PM   
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Are the styles of relationships we desire just different?  And I worry that even asking these questions is going to bring up - well, you're not really submissive then are you?    I feel that my reaction to this situation would be different if I was living in a 24/7, but I'm not.  I feel that the acknowledgement of a person's needs and desires, and the fulfilling of such is something that is done by both partners, that my Sir would know my state, emotionally, physically, what-have-you, and would request activities or discipline accordingly.



If  you're looking for permission to run, you don't need it. If what he is asking of you is something you are not willing or able to give, then for both your sakes you should move on. No need to feel bad about it, or question your submissiveness. Other than a few lucky souls (MercnBeth, MstrJx) most people have to take into account everyday events in their relationships d/s or not. The fact that you are a parent comes first. It sucks, in some ways, but it is what it is , and i am sure you don't desire to wish your kids away. Who you are inside, submissive, slave or whatever does not necessarily equate with who you can BE right now because of your other committments. The fact that you take those other committments seriously is a good thing.

On the other side, your Master has made his own choices as well. Perhaps he should be the one to realize that you are not what he desires at this point. Perhaps he thinks he can mold you into what he desires. Maybe you ahve given him that impression. Doesn't really matter. But should he compromise what he wants to suit your life situation? Probably not in my opinion. Why would you want him to? When i meet someone incompatible with my life and choices i wish them well and move on.  Sometimes we stay friends, and who knows maybe something will change in teh future, but we really don't need to always try to please everyone. That never works...



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RE: Life Happens... - 7/6/2007 6:05:25 PM   
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RE: Life Happens... - 7/7/2007 6:08:57 AM   
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i have defined my submission and surrender in this comparison:

A Dominant borrows the keys to my car, is in full control of that car, decides where He is going and how fast to drive, etc.  But the car still belongs to me and i alone am responsible for the taxes, tags, gas, maintenance etc.  That is submission.

If i sign over the title of my car, the Dominant then assumes the responsibility for the upkeep, license, taxes, insurance etc.  That is surrender.

If i am responsible for my own car, then if the car breaks down and is in the shop how can the Dominant be mad because the car is unavailable for Him to drive?  It's not reasonable in my opinion to want to own something but expect someone else to be responsible for that property.

If your Master is unable or unwilling to assume responsibility for your real life situations then (in my opinion) He can't expect you to surrender them to Him.

On the other hand, adding a "Sir" or following other protocols in your speach should not be terribly difficult even with a whole lot of mess going on.  It would also be reasonable to ask for time to get settled.

i am currently in a similar situation where i have to move in 21 days since the house i have been renting was sold suddenly and i will be homeless unless i find somewhere to live in the next few days.  Talk about life happening!  The Dom i have been talking to and considering is sympathetic to this but i have also asked specifically for Him to understand that my focus cannot be on Him at this time because having a home has to take priority.  Since He is long distance and we don't have a committed, collared relationship, He is not able to (nor should He) assume responsibility for my needs.  If He wanted me to focus on Him and not my situation i would consider Him a first-class jerk.

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RE: Life Happens... - 7/7/2007 9:41:56 AM   
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My life is VANILLA, I have a son, work, family, friends, etc; M/s intermingles with my vanilla life, not the other way around. I take life on life's terms and do what I can. M/s incorperates itself into my life, when possible. MJ an I don't life together, so M/s is not as in our faces as it is for some, its still there all the time in some way, some of the things I do or do not do are due to our relationship dynamics.

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"a submissive woman who will have to prove her submission by talking in the third person, kneeling on rice, staying naked in a cage 24 hours a day, prefacing each sentence with "Master" or any other such display.."


Sounds like a doormat and a top-type that has an ego/God complex who beleives that bottom-types are below them. That would be such a boring existance and relationship, not to mention a dictatorship.
 
For me, I want a realtionship with give and take on both our parts, where we grow as a couple, we lean on eachother, we talk about everything from M/s stuff to politics, religion and what we plan on doing for the holidays.
 
Don't think too much about M/s, it will find its way into your life if its meant too, I tried to close that door, and for some reason, it would not close, now, its open and I am having a blast.  

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RE: Life Happens... - 7/7/2007 9:45:43 AM   
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So how do you deal with it when it does?  Is your play your life?  I know for some people it is, but I don't understand how that works together with the demands of everyday living - kids, work, school, and family.  Help me!

Who I am is my life ... and currently I am both Master's sub/slave and potential Domme to a sub. Maintaining those roles takes precedence but that doesn't mean "play". Master and i moved across country recently and have had a lot of upheaval. Play has been put on the back-burner, but the D/s is still alive and kicking! It permeates and pervades O/our everyday life but doesn't prevent U/us from coping with all that life throws at U/us. If anything, it helps as W/we work together as a team to deal with it.

I met someone over the Internet a couple of months ago.  We have had several email, phone and chat conversations and have met twice (we live two states apart), our last visit concluding with our first "session".  We have shared stories and experiences and have tried to structure activities in a way that connects us although we are apart. 

Currently in my "real" life, I have several life changes going on - getting over a LTR with a vanilla guy (I could write pages about this frustration), I sold my house, found a rental, moved over the weekend, trying to unpack and organize, haven't seen my kids in over a week, trying to find a job and figure out how I'm going to fit school in all of this without my kids' dad going berserk about how much time the kids are with him and how that means he shouldn't have to pay child support.  Needless to say, I have a lot on my plate at the moment.

Yes, you most definitely have. Most of us go through times of great upheaval, I hope you find a way through your current chaos without any more barriers in the road.

So, what kind of consideration does one give for life situations?  Yesterday I found myself being berated quite harshly for acting so casual in a conversation with my online friend and I had.  It didn't even occur to me that during my discussion of how exhausted I am from moving in 90+ degree heat that I needed to be adding Sir to my every sentence.  Then he added that I should also be referring to myself as "this one" or "this sub".  I have occasionally spoken with him in the third person, but only occasionally, and now I am being reprimanded for not doing it all the time.  He also added that once I am collared -- which we have not even talked about -- I will refer to myself as "this slave" and will be referred to as "it".  What? 

Hmmmm ... my response to this is "too much too soon". This is a power grab ... and one that is ill thought out for how can you be blamed for breaking "rules" you don't know exist? Remember, this is still the negotiation stage ... where these things should be floated out for discussion and consensual agreement. This is reminding me wayyy too much of a workplace agreement ... where the govt says it's good for employees but in fact the employer gets to decide what the terms are and the employee can only like it or lump it! Seems to me you're not liking it ...

There were also some assignments that I have been given that have taken a back seat while during my move, some time related. .  Is it wrong to place the priorities of finding a home and moving and every other thing I am dealing with, above that of the requirements of someone long distance that does not see nor deal with any of my actual living?  I'm thinking this LDR thing SUCKS.

No, a responsible person (sub or Dom) takes charge of such things, ensures they have a safe place to live etc etc so that they are then able to give some attention to others. Given that He doesn't live with you so can't take charge physically, then the least He can do is try to be of HELP from a distance, not a hindrance. Given that you have probably told Him what is going on, it would be more reasonable for Him to say "How can I help?" Maybe He could check some legal docs for you, or help you construct a realistic timetable of how you can achieve all that you need to do. Trying to load you up, even though of themselves, adding Sir or using third person speak aren't massive things, just seems bound to cause trouble at this time.

I feel like his expectations of me are not always spelled out clearly and I seem to be always in trouble for not understanding certain assignments or duties.  He has had many years in the lifestyle, whereas I have only had one previous BDSM relationship that was much different and short term.  I feel as though I am expected to know his rules and style before they become issues.  And it is hurtful to be criticized so harshly, given no consideration for my experience or my life at hand.

Spelling out His expectations is His job ... if He is not sure you have understood then it is up to Him to clarify. Maybe ... trying to be kind here ... His years in the lifestyle have taken Him way out of touch with a relative newbie ... in which case He needs to wise up! Correction and guidance doesn't have to be harsh ... they should be seen as positive opportunities for learning. I am assuming here that you are not over-reacting and taking any little correction as a massive personal slight ... you don't come across as someone doing that in your post. Having lived with one who thought that ... it was a PAIN (and not a nice one!) ... but you come across as someone wanting to learn if someone would only teach you appropriately.

Am I being a brat?  Am I overreacting?  Am I balking at his authority?  Is it too much to expect that I could be allowed to live my life in a semi-normal way and be given some leniency when problems arise?  Are the styles of relationships we desire just different?  And I worry that even asking these questions is going to bring up - well, you're not really submissive then are you?    I feel that my reaction to this situation would be different if I was living in a 24/7, but I'm not.  I feel that the acknowledgement of a person's needs and desires, and the fulfilling of such is something that is done by both partners, that my Sir would know my state, emotionally, physically, what-have-you, and would request activities or discipline accordingly.

Brat? No. A brat deliberately does things wrong to test and stir up their Dominant. Sometimes for attention, sometimes to incur wrath so they can feel justified in feeling "put upon". Overreacting? Probably not ... I think you are sensing alarm bells. Baulking at His authority? Maybe ... but there could be a good reason for that if it is authority that you haven't yet conceded to Him. To my mind, a good D/s relationship evolves over time ... with the Dominant prepared to take authority over that which the sub concedes ... the Dom's job is to lead the sub to the place where they are sufficiently trusting and confident in the Dominant's ability to use that power appropriately. A wise sub won't immediately hand over all their power ... it is yielded in increments. An example: Master and i haved lived together 24/7 for 3 years. Initially i yielded to Him the power to control the general type of clothes i wore, control over my bladder (it needed more control than i had LOL!), and limited control over my daily schedule. And of course, W/we had negotiated certain types of bdsm play. As time wore on, i added to that more control over my schedule, so now if i am invited to a non-work event (eg Tupperware party etc etc), i first ask His permission before agreeing to attend. (And if He says no, i don't go and i don't bitch/sulk about it!). i also voluntarily gave Him control over My Domme persona (Jay) and Her activities even though i'd not anticipated that initially. It just seemed much easier! Just this year i have given Him complete financial control ... not without a few collywobbles i might add, not so much through lack of trust of Him, but more about any inherent problems with legal issues should something go wrong (especially healthwise) with either of U/us. Not sure what else i have left to yield ... but rest assured if W/we find something that He wants to take, i will consider very carefully if i want to give it even though i trust Him so much now.  

So, assuming levels of communication are great and two people are working together to form a life, with structure and boundaries, and LIFE, how does it work for you?  How do you deal with every-day life, and how do you react when sh!t happens? 



Well it doesn't sound like the communication levels between He and you ARE great ... possibly He thinks they are, but there seems to be a lot that has yet to be discussed. W/we spent a LONG time discussing things and the lines of communication are still open, things can (and are) revisited. Master and i aren't perfect, sometimes W/we will have disagreements usually because of mishearing things or different perceptions about the tone or manner in which a comment was delivered. i am getting a bit deaf and sometimes i don't hear Him clearly ... when i look blankly or say "what?" He sometimes perceives that look and statement as my thinking He said something stupid and then He takes offence. W/we have worked hard on this and i am learning to repeat the "odd word out" that i "heard" so He understands where the problem lies. More often than not it's entirely out of context and gives U/us a good laugh over what i thought i heard. Gets more tricky when either word will do ... when He was packing to go away for a few days W/we had an interesting roundabout conversation about "socks" and "tops" ... from a distance they sounded the same to me and i couldn't work out why He was packing His tops with His shoes! But the key point is that W/we have worked on this, myself as i noted, Him by trying to enunciate more clearly, repeat it without getting exasperated and being more prepared to accept that it is mishearing and less quick to take it personally. It's a joint effort! 
 
As far as life goes, Master is my life partner, my guide and my support crew. He will pitch in and lend a hand when needed ... anything from writing my name and address on the Avon books for my customers, to packing and shifting heaps of boxes when W/we moved (not just "His stuff" ... He did heaps of mine!) ... to cleaning up the vomit from MY aged cat! And while He would agree that being submissive isn't about doing it ONLY when i'm "in the mood" (is it submission if you only do it when you want to??), He is sensitive to when i am genuinely under stress and He seeks to alleviate that. In short, He DOES give a damn and while He won't pander to any attempt at "putting on the agony", He responds wonderfully if the stress is real. Recently i had a bit of a harrowing day and He quietly went into the kitchen, washed up the day's dishes (W/we're guarding water supplies here so only wash up once a day), then cooked the meal. i didn't even realise until He called me out of my study ... looking at my watch i expected some recrimination about the lateness of starting dinner ... i was quite overwhelmed when i saw it had all been done. He still let me carry it in and curtsey though :-)
 
So ... yes, that kind of D/s relationship CAN exist, but it's not always easy to find. you need to work out what you are seeking and find a Dominant for whom that is their natural style. It's not sounding to me like you've found that with this Man ... at least not without some willingness to discuss it and negotiate on both sides!
 
Good luck!
Maam Jay aka violet[A] (though violet did most of the talking in this post!)


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RE: Life Happens... - 7/7/2007 10:29:27 AM   
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First off let me say LDR's do SUCK!And some of the reason they do suck, is that they are not there to actually view the stress you are under.They are not there to take part in the dynamic, by being the one to make the decisions, or to be in "charge".To in essence,share the load. But this is the situation you are in.Simply put, he expects and desires to be a priority,and maybe he felt he was not.He possibly does not have to be the main priority, but a priority nonetheless.The way I see it, he is trying to establish a mind set for you ,to help you to "see" he must be a priority. Life will always be happening, wether it is new jobs,new homes,debt,health what have you,it comes and goes. But if you are in a relationship, that relationship must be your ultimate focus.Could he of been more lenient?...sure...does he have to be?...no.....Do you wish to be a submissive only when its convenient?.....Only when you feel like it?.....It seems to me you both need to sit down and talk of these issues, and where you both wish this relationship to go.....again as usual...Communication was lacking.....Tempting

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RE: Life Happens... - 7/7/2007 6:14:45 PM   
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if you have children... don't you have to meet your obligations as their mother first?



I have met a lot of submissives who have met Dominants who seemed to think that because a woman was a submissive, she should be able to put her children into a storage locker until they were 18.

Far as Im concerned, her obligations and relationship to her children trumps any relationship we have.  This does not offend my Delicate Dominant Ego one iota.

I have had the opposite issue; I have been with women who tried to sever my relationship with my kids.  Hence my use of the term "ex."

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RE: Life Happens... - 7/7/2007 7:18:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

I have met a lot of submissives who have met Dominants who seemed to think that because a woman was a submissive, she should be able to put her children into a storage locker until they were 18.


Don't they go right alongside all those submissives/slaves that want to be kept chained and caged 24/7?
 
I'm just askin, ya know?
 
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RE: Life Happens... - 7/7/2007 7:29:23 PM   
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Why do people have such difficulty living their lives?  Why does it have to be compartmentalized, vanilla vs D/s (or bdsm or kink or whatever)?  Why can't they just live their life without worrying so much?  There will always be obligations to family, work, etc, regardless of lifestyle.  I've never had a problem with it and I don't understand why so many do.


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