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RE: Joan of ark the movie - 7/3/2007 10:14:10 AM

Nosathro

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All accounts show Joan came from a peasent family. It is highly unlikely she would have ever been releated to Charles or been crown Queen. The Rules of the time would have forbidden it. Joan openly admited to hearing voices..and she identified them as Saint Catherine, Saint Margaret and Saint Michael.

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RE: Joan of ark the movie - 7/3/2007 10:43:32 AM

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Hi again; So, what's your point? Joanie said she heard voices, Joanie said it was this one and the other......so what is your point?

It was perfectly good for Joanie to hear voices, when the state needed a divine characture; a chosen of God; and she served their purpose, and later, it was not good, but crazy, and suited their purpose to condem her....either way, it suited their purpose; both ways.

We don't know what Joanie said...we have only those accounts that the church said, that she said.

What we have is some very scant info, her village, she was a peasant; of course she would never be made queen, but she may have had an infulence in the running of the state, due to her popularity. She may have voiced disagreement with the throne, thereby causing some trouble and annoying challenges to Charles and the court. She may have been persuaded to 'lead' an opposing army, being their chosen of God. They made her an icon of France, the symbol of France, she was their 'Winged Victory'; their 'Lady Liberty'....and they had to undo that creation, lest she have some unwanted infulence. The Church was the state's handmaiden in this elimination, and thusly, she was eliminated. She should have been forgotten, and left to obsurity; but...maryters seem to rise like a Phoenix from their ashes.

Joan will live forever as testimony to the wanton deciet of a governmental authority, greed, and the cruel murderous rule of an omipotent cult.

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RE: Joan of ark the movie - 7/3/2007 8:05:24 PM

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That's ridiculous. Sounds like your family told some tall tales during those long winter nights. And are you saying that you're descended from Charles VII?

Yes I am, Yes I also have the geneology research to prove it! I do not make these claims lightly. Charles took a pay off in silver to let Joan be caputred!

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RE: Joan of ark the movie - 7/4/2007 11:34:44 PM

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Hi John; I'm sorry, but no one I asked, those from France, acknowledge ever hearing Joan was the sister of Charles. My little itty-bitty survey, of young and old; never heard even so much as a rumour of such, and they live in France. But, keep saying it, you are bound to get a bunch who believe it, and if you say it often enough, long enough, who knows, one day it'll be true,....... true or not.

Oh, your nobility thing, great...I'm also with a nobility heritage; and with my papers and a buck twenty five, I could get a cup of coffee.

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